SGOTM 21 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

Ronnie1 · Apr 10, 2015

City PPP is going to need to be done by function going forward.

3 Fish and 3 Clams are our 1-2 gpp producers.
Athens, Popcorn, 2 Gems, Lakeside are our best commerce cities mostly built out already.

Navy from the east with possible wealth building.

Basic infra of Gran/Forge/Ch for new captures.

After that, Rax or Drydock and units or navy or wealth everywhere else now.

We are 4 turns to Steel.

Do we want to trade something to Louis for Banking before we DOW? I don't think so. I don't care to give him GP for Musketeers, or Edu for opening up Econ to him. Nationalism allows him to draft, not so keen on that either.We can surely get it in the peace deal. If we are worried about losing the race to Econ though, we may need to self tech it depending on unknowns.

We got another GS from 3 Fish, so I am running all merchants now.

Sleepless · Apr 10, 2015

Had a very quick look..

There's no guarantee he won't put more units on the hill even if he moves them this turn so I'd go for it on the land North of Paris.

Also would sell drama to Isabella for her gold.

Plus more troops and less galleons imho. With the current builds will give us 20 so more troops needed to fill them..

Ronnie1 · Apr 10, 2015

Paris is ours! Steel is in! Placeholder in tech que.

We have 6 turns left in GA. We can still change civics twice, now and with 1 turn remaining. We are in danger of loosing the free GM from Econ to Mansa.

Not a lot time right now.

I waited, the gem hill was clear the next turn. I landed, we got hit by a cat but our stack survived multiple attacks. We bombarded 1 turn and landed the additional units. Paris was at 98% defense still for reference. I started by sacrificing the 2 cats, got some withdraws from the trebs, and took the city with NO losses.

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The roster order is,

Ronnie1 - just played
namliaM - UP NOW
nocho - on deck
sleepless - waiting
McArine - waiting

Ronnie1 · Apr 10, 2015

Oh, Mao declared on us the turn after we dow'ed Louis!

nocho · Apr 10, 2015

Sorry, I've literally had zero time this week to even connect, hope to read up soon. From the progress page it seems things are going quite well! :goodjob:

Sleepless · Apr 11, 2015

Looks good Ronnie. Well sounds good... Haven't seen the save..

We do need to decide how we are going to win the hearts before we get much further...

So is the idea to put a big hole in Louis then start on Mansa so we can build the city for isabella. Also might be an idea to bribe Isabella against Mao if we can. Need to start making a few friends if we want a diplo win. probably best bet would be Toku or Isabella.

We can win an Ap victory even if were not running the religion can't we?

nocho · Apr 11, 2015

Ronnie1 said:
We have 6 turns left in GA. We can still change civics twice, now and with 1 turn remaining. We are in danger of loosing the free GM from Econ to Mansa.

Obviously we should get representation now and Free Religion also seems quite evident. No real significant bonus from OR with mainly unit builds going on. When 1 turn left also back to slavery IMO.

I wouldn't worry about the GM for Economics. Actually, with our expanding empire, I think we are probably well served with State Property, rather than Free Market. Our workshops are coming online and are good in hammers already, so we may have to look at a hammer based economy (at least partly). Besides skyrocketing overseas maintenance will be hardly an issue. I might bulb printing press now and go sci-meth, communism. GSpy is a bonus, with the GS from Physics we have 2 men for the 3-GP Golden Age already (assuming next GP from TriFish will be used with other GS for the 2-men GA).

Not going economics now leaves open the option of Isa's summer residence which I still think is the easiest and cheapest option for her. We won't need economics until much later when we want to tech assembly line (which needs corp and hence economics).

nocho · Apr 11, 2015

I've been looking a bit more at the save. Thinking about switching now to slavery too. I would like to whip some cannons asap. Specifically London and Nottingham have pop that can be converted in cannons quickly, saves on maintenance too.

Also whip a quick few cannons from Zulu/Dutch cities, the added firepower should make it a lot quicker to conquer the rest of France. Seems we have more than enough ordinary units, but firepower in the form of siege is lacking (and the trebs quite wounded). Slavery also of course good for the odd CH, LH.

Caste, it's not entirely needed for generating great people. Maintaining 6 specs in TriFish can still be done, if we're aiming for a non-GS just hire the 5 non scientists and for a few turns 1 scientist for a 99% sure non-scientist. While I like the workshops (a city like Utrecht looks great for communist workshops!), at this moment not enough of them to warrant caste for that reason.

Also the 50XP boat. We're close to getting another GG, then we have 2 of them. With those and the drydock (whipped into boat) we can shortly from now get a 38XP boat from Ulundi. I maybe would just go for the frigate, combat 4 and the double xp-promo, should encounter enough French and Chinese caravels and galleys to get to those 50XP rather soon. After that we can gift it to Liz, and kill her (rules don't state she should stay alive after conquering her heart, does she?

). Just have to make sure we have the necessary units on her island before declaring on her, in order not to lose our own boats too much.

And I think I still like going communism now. We don't really take a significant hit from SciMeth here. Kremlin could be strongish too by the way.

I have the feeling that the time frame left to industrialism and combustion is enough to just go for domination. With France, China and Mali (besides England) we should be pretty close.

Ronnie1 · Apr 11, 2015

@MM, are you here?

Sleepless · Apr 12, 2015

I agree with Nocho State Property is the civic we want to head for. Plus thinking a domination victory would still be easier than a religious one. Especially if we plan to take out French and Mali.

I'd also bulb PP with a GS..

Still need to plan on the winning hearts. Domination would give us a good chance of finding the required resources for Cathie. With the troops they require a GG as well so early Sci Meth will show us the oil.

Isabella's summer palace still looks good as long as she will accept the gift. Though we can always reduce her so that she will..

Liz def easier to gift a frigate and take her out.

I would like to see the last option for Isabella before to long though. Need to workers or gift gold (250 I think).. Should be done on the next turnset

nocho · Apr 12, 2015

Yeah, those 3 workers we gifted to Willem are still sitting there idle, so let's gift him 2 more and then get all 5 back.

Have some cannons and left-over units to DoW the turn after and clear him out.

If namliam isn't out there, then I can take it.

Ronnie1 · Apr 12, 2015

The roster order is,

Ronnie1 - just played
namliaM - no response
nocho - UP NOW
sleepless - on deck
McArine - waiting

Ronnie1 · Apr 12, 2015

I have a hard time whipping in a GA, so I'm glad you get to do it.

nocho · Apr 12, 2015

Ronnie1 said:
I have a hard time whipping in a GA, so I'm glad you get to do it.

Haha, it won't be that much and certainly not in the core.

Initial plan later tonight.

nocho · Apr 12, 2015

A plan for 5 turns (until 1 left on GA)

Tech: Printing press (bulb a GS into it now), SciMeth, Communism.

Switch to rep, slavery, free religion now.

Configure TriFish for max specs to still get next great person in 5, with minimum scientists possible (looking for possible other Golden Age with 2nd GS).

Question: after SciMeth, do the AP hammers from monasteries still apply? If so, might want to squeeze in a few in cities that can build them fast (Lakeside, DG, etc).

City builds (not accounting for monasteries)
Athens: worker, wealth. The worker is meant to convert the grass mines to windmills.
Lakeside: cannon*
Wait, it'll be quicker to say that we're basically going units everywhere.

Seems to me we now have more than enough navy, so generally won't build more boats, with the notable exception of IronWool and Ulundi. They'll get drydocks and then probably some frigates. One for Liz.

Besides units of course where applicable basic infra (granary, forge, barracks; courthouses might be less urgent if we go straight to state property, although some will still get built). Some lighthouses needed (Amsterdam, London).

Some whips in London, Nottingham, and Zulu/Dutch cities. Want at least 6 cannons shipped to France asap; well galleon-chained to be exact.

Will assemble a small invasion force for Holland. Well, plan is first a nice gift of 2 workers, followed up by DoW. Preparation for that, execution not in these first 5 turns probably.

Boat for Liz. Frigate from Ulundi, gets a GG attached. Second GG will get it up to 38XP. What do we attach second GG to? I might propose a knight, that could get medic 2 at 13XP with the idea of working it up to another supermedic.

EP back to Mansa.

French war: first target is Orleans, then focus on Lyons, Tours, Chartres, Marseilles. See to getting firepower shipped over asap.

Workers: farms and workshops, occasional windmill.

Sleepless · Apr 12, 2015

Seems reasonable to me Nocho.. I like lots of troops..

I think we have missed one of the upload points? Next one due at turn 170.

Also googled AP monasteries and it seems (like I thought) they don't get the hammers once SM is in.

Ronnie1 · Apr 12, 2015

All sounds reasonable to me!

Maybe some watermills? With State Property, they are better than farms imo.

If we are abandoning the idea of an AP win (I still think it is doable), then no real need for more missionaries. If we want to leave the option open, then we need to infect the remaining civs with Christianity in a city we would never want to own.

Sleepless · Apr 13, 2015

My main thinking is the certainty of when we get a dom victory against the uncertain AP victory. Plus of course controlling the resources (if possible) for Cathie against building units including a GG.

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