[BTS] SGOTM 25 - Home Slices

babybluepants · Apr 27, 2018

We are capped at 50pts unless we can get >25% votes to the AIs. Not being able to flip out of Tao on the victory turn complicates this, I agree.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

My goal was to get the game to T72 today so the weekend is free. We can make final calcs before commiting the victory, or if we blow away the 420 (hehe) we can submit early.
I'm moving forward on T70, but trying to keep things open for an earlier win.

I hate to stir the pot, but wouldn't another way to get more points T71 be to run the EP slider so we can try to get one extra spy mission? Kinda late, but a few EPs could mean 3k-4k more culture.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

babybluepants said:
We are capped at 50pts unless we can get >25% votes to the AIs. Not being able to flip out of Tao on the victory turn complicates this, I agree.

And any attempt to get those 8 pts would severely hurt our population score (and land)

babybluepants · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
I hate to stir the pot, but wouldn't another way to get more points T71 be to run the EP slider so we can try to get one extra spy mission? Kinda late, but a few EPs could mean 3k-4k more culture.

That was my thought, but I wasn't sure how much we can get while finishing Compass. It would be useful on this turn, if we can squeeze out an extra point or two on T71.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

I would probably elect to use our GG in a way that helps with T71 Korea kill (fast galley+stronger attackers) since the T73 swat team can't get there to kill next turn. Remember, it's T70 already! What an amazing dismount it would be to wrap up everything next turn and press 'end turn' to win.

Kaitzilla · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
And any attempt to get those 8 pts would severely hurt our population score (and land)

As near as I can tell, we can win T73 with 421 points if we get those extra 8 AP points.

It would involve getting USA and England Gua and Nanjing to capitulate T72 with 10AP votes each.

That means we need to flip USA and England into Taoism on T71 to double their votes.

So after Gold City is captured from the final colony T71, it is gifted to USA and England in turn and our Spy horde does the flip.
England 10AP votes. Gua won't starve and can't be whipped.
USA 6 or 8 AP votes since Nanjing starves or gets whipped.
Player 66 AP votes -2 for each pop whipped away to complete wonders.
We whip away 9 pop, that should be enough.

All this means 100 :espionage:

? on England and USA each this T70 using slider.
Also, the Horse Archer from Trap City South needs to come up towards gold city T70 if Gold City gonna have so many owners on T71.

If England uses Gua to somehow form a colony, or the 421 points just misses because we get 3rd place on demo screen approval rating, we blew our gold laurel chances.

How brave are we feeling to go 1 turn faster?

**Edit**
Losing 10 extra population giving away 2 prime cities does seem to affect our military score.
Our world % population on our victory screen is how many worth 6/7th of a points each.
Currently it is 57%, so 48 points.
The wonder whipping and giving away 5 pop cities would plunge this.
Dipping below 53% world pop is when we start losing points from 100 I think.

We might slip below 420 if we try for those 8 AP points for T73 win.

Stupid barbs! :mad:

I'm happy if we decide to win T74.

Kaitzilla · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
My goal was to get the game to T72 today so the weekend is free. We can make final calcs before commiting the victory, or if we blow away the 420 (hehe) we can submit early.
I'm moving forward on T70, but trying to keep things open for an earlier win.

I hate to stir the pot, but wouldn't another way to get more points T71 be to run the EP slider so we can try to get one extra spy mission? Kinda late, but a few EPs could mean 3k-4k more culture.

More

points to try for +1 mission is worth it if it does not use up too much gold.

It would be a shame to not have enough money to run Culture Slider at the end though. :hmm:

Not only does it guarantee 1st place in the demo screen approval rating (I think), it can also help cities, especially coastal ones, pop borders in 1 turn, for even more points for us.

But we do have that fail gold from Chichen coming.
Go ahead and add 200 :espionage:

to Korea I'd say.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

Kaitzilla said:
So after Gold City is captured from the final colony T71, it is gifted to USA

but we've experienced Roosy won't talk for 2t.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

I'll give you guys another 2 hours to dream about earlier victory, and then I'll play on this afternoon. I probably won't make it to T72 today unless my evening plans are cancelled.

Kaitzilla · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
but we've experienced Roosy won't talk for 2t.

Glad I turned over the turnset. :lol:

Only being able to flip England to Tao means we'd have to whip down our Tao cities even more.
Ughh

Also, I forgot England is running Mercantilism.
York was always going to pop borders (+1 free Artist) in 2 turns despite my scheming.

Also, Bbp is right that 79/81 on the Demo screen gives 97 points.

My PPP that listed 98 points was wrong

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

Still gotta eat lunch. speak now or...

Kaitzilla · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
Still gotta eat lunch. speak now or...

Still drawing a blank to speed up T74 win.
Good luck!

Don't accidentally scatter our Korean strike force by gifting York to England.
The big fat cross would fling our units, even the ones 2 tiles away.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

Kaitzilla said:
Don't accidentally scatter our Korean strike force by gifting York to England.

I've been working with this effect in mind. What can we give England:
Hamburg, GoldCity, check.
NewYork: we can't recapture it til the following turn. That's OK, but we can't let him have too many keepers or a colony forms.
York? or Lyons? The problem with Lyons is that it cannot be recaptured til next turn either.
Other? A trap city maybe. TrapNE is too far and he won't take both it and Hamburg

edit: I've decided Hamburg (first!), TrapSouth, GoldCity, and Lyons. In that order.
Why can we do Lyons when it's so far away? because it will Liberate to him. So he will take it like it was a city he already owned.
And if I'm wrong, there's always NewYork or York.

The TrapSouth gift will teleport a nice stack of units that can either protect NewYork or recapture TrapSouth from England and again from the new Colony next turn.

LowtherCastle · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
I hate to stir the pot, but wouldn't another way to get more points T71 be to run the EP slider so we can try to get one extra spy mission? Kinda late, but a few EPs could mean 3k-4k more culture.

Not sure I mentioned this, but some of my early calcs assumed we'd use the ep slider to get an extra mission even so often.

LowtherCastle · Apr 27, 2018

I'm in favor of getting plenty more than 420 points on our victory turn rather than going for 421 and screwing something up. That would be too gepainfulheimer.

LowtherCastle · Apr 27, 2018

I feel like a useless bum. I'm accustomed to being in the middle of the endgame action like you folks. :goodjob:

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

Kaitzilla said:
Don't forget we need to kill Korea and its Colony in a single turn on T73.

I think I already proposed using Korea's EPs on 73 and was shot down, but maybe things have changed now that we think we are sooo close to having the points on 72, we can simply do the culture missions on Korea. Then we only have to capture the empty Goldcity and the Korean capital T73.
What if we get Pacal on T73 :eek:

And another thing! If we use Korea, then we can gift GoldCity T72 and, instead of the usual peaceful turn to get a colony, we DoW and unload units at KoreaIsle. No more amphibious attack!

I'll stop playing before the end of T72 to add up our score, so it won't be too late to form that colony.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

I'll play now... for the next 3 hours

Kaitzilla · Apr 27, 2018

WastinTime said:
I think I already proposed using Korea's EPs on 73 and was shot down, but maybe things have changed now that we think we are sooo close to having the points on 72, we can simply do the culture missions on Korea. Then we only have to capture the empty Goldcity and the Korean capital T73.
What if we get Pacal on T73

And another thing! If we use Korea, then we can gift GoldCity T72 and, instead of the usual peaceful turn to get a colony, we DoW and unload units at KoreaIsle. No more amphibious attack!

I'll stop playing before the end of T72 to add up our score, so it won't be too late to form that colony.

I think we definitely have the points to win big on T74.

We can use Korean eps on T73 sure.

WastinTime · Apr 27, 2018

Turnset Report

T70.5

I run the culture slider 10% to get the culture we need for borders T73 (for chopping Sistine)

Gift England: Hamburg, TrapSouth, GoldCity, Lyons
DoW
Recapture all but Lyons

Rebase bomber to York

CF Korea
Gift the usual 4

T71

IBT
2 spies caught (better not be my -50's )

Welcome Brennus

Spies

40% ok
40% fail
50% ok
50% ok
(lucky so far with the 50's)
ok
ok
ok

3 spies lost total, 6 missions succeeded.

Ottomans

no bomber
86 Mace win
77 C2 HA loss
97 win
He added a catapult btw
HA's happen to shred cats...
99% HA loses!
99.95 Archer wins
99.99 chariot wins
135 :gold:

Ottomans are DEAD

England

The redcoat does not come towards our cities. It's in the fog, so I'll bombard Mumbai to see the area.
2 Redcoat defenders. Thx Caste. He'd probably be trying to settle a city by now if he had slavery.

Retake (empty) Lyons.
England will talk but they're doing fine on their own. (no surprise)

Rome

We have a ton of backup for 72 or 73, but let's try T71.
5 attackers against 2 archers. Should be easy.
37% loss (but heavy damage, we're good)
41% win!
99.99 chariot win
36 :gold:

DEAD

England still won't cap. (should when Korea dies)

Korea
Gift cities for war success and reduced England risk.

Brennus
A bunch of 100% Choko/HA vs warrior later... DEAD.

(breaking for the day very soon) I'll tidy up the save and upload shortly.

I whipped a pavilion in St. Pete so I can work 2 artists and get borders. Not sure the -pop is worth the +land, but I did it.

I'm going to run 10% research or some scientists to get Compass. I'd hate to realize we want to win early and don't have those points.

Pillage a bunch. MM'd all cities. uploaded.

Spoiler Log: :

T72

CF Korea, gift GoldCity, DoW

Pillage
EP slider 100%

T73

ibt: Oops, I was recklessly pillaging and ignoring those barb lbs that I thought were neutered. One attacked and killed a HA.

I thought I was going to have Dye this turn, but I forgot to road it :mad:

And I disbanded a worker in that area a couple turns ago :blush:

Compass

Spies
Looks like no spies caught IBT :scan:

ok
ok
ok
ok, but dies
ok
ok (last mission 1230, we had 187 leftover. Appropriate 187=murder :cool:

)

Only one spy total lost this turn :thumbsup:

Not that we care.

I'm on a roll, so I stole 13 :gold:

from Korea :smug:

80% success

Korea

Oops, what was I thinking. We'll take his cities (leaving GoldCity as the capital), then steal his gold.

Take back NewYork with a Cat (because we can)

Promote our new GGMace to CRIII + tactics (30% withdraw) for best chance to survive. Odds are 88%+. With 7 backup units

Success! 23 gold

Steal 28 :gold:

from GoldCity

Take GoldCity
DEAD

England... will...

Spoiler :

Not

Spoiler :

Not Capitulate.

Spoiler :

Double negative. England will Capitulate.

Capitulation + 30g + 1gpt

America
Cap + 10g

Conquest victory is locked in. :band:

Barb revenge
Strike Illinois
~40% loss
71% loss
98% win (barely, heavy damage)
99% win (no units to spare)
54 :gold:

2 pop

Teoihuacan (barb)
has 1 lb, flat land.
HA dies at like 20% odds
3.4 health HA at 56% dies.
SuperMedic at 99.9% wins!
35 :gold:

fyi, England has 30 turns to go on Alphabet :lol:

Whip the wonders that need it.
Chop 10 in Sistine 630/600.

culture slider 100%
check border pops are happening in 1t.

Log:

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