LowtherCastle
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If we're going to revolt to Tao, when? During a war? Remember, we'll miss the auto-GFC growth by doing that. Kind a waste with Mongolia and Manchou. Or do we just chop/whip pavilions?
Any idea if Pavilions die on re-capture? Castles?
Very different approach to what I was doing. Yours is a much quicker attack. I do like squeezing in an extra city capture before the bomber goes after HK.here's a try at a DoW on Stalin on T20
Fair point...If we're going to revolt to Tao, when? During a war? Remember, we'll miss the auto-GFC growth by doing that. Kind a waste with Mongolia and Manchou. Or do we just chop/whip pavilions?
Note that my t20 save also has 81/60h in a queued Gua choko. The chopped wb and 2whipping makes a big difference when we prioritize chokos over swords. Almost impossible to 1pop a choko quickly. Gua will produce galley(t22)-choko(t23)-sword(t24).Very different approach to what I was doing. Yours is a much quicker attack. I do like squeezing in an extra city capture before the bomber goes after HK.
Keep in mind that we can probably pick off the Moscow worker before this, though we could also delay that to hopefully sync with the Mongolia attack. In the test save, it just starts roading towards Mongolia.
For the sake of comparison, here is my T20 save. I revolted to Tao/OR for 2t to start, and whipped a second worker in Yan'an. No military units yet.
LC
Spoiler :
no revolts
4 workers / 1 choko / 2 chariots
ready to attack Mongolia with choko+2cha on T21.
Yan'an pop2, 14/24f, 5h OF, 3 whip anger
granary
pig pasture / horse pasture / 5t FP watermill
Beijing pop3, 17/26f, 12h into choko, no whip anger
granary
wheat farm / iron mine / ivory watermill / 1t ivory watermill
Gua pop3, 17/26f, 4h into galley, 2 whip anger
granary
corn farm / rice farm / chop / 1t watermill / fish
bbp
Spoiler :
2t anarchy for Tao/OR
5 workers
Yan'an pop1, 11/22f, 4h OF, 1 whip anger
granary
pig pasture / horse pasture / 5t FP watermill
Beijing pop2, 21/24f, 29h into forge, no whip anger
granary
wheat farm / iron mine / stone quarry and road / 1t FP watermill
Gua pop3, 22/26f, 18h into choko, 1 whip anger
granary
corn farm / rice farm / 2t chop
Ok, I missed that. That's pretty much what I was doing, too. Except with a delayed chop and the 2t of revolt. My sword is done on T26, which is the same, when you discount the 2t revolt. Food bin and OF are probably a bit different.Note that my t20 save also has 81/60h in a queued Gua choko. The chopped wb and 2whipping makes a big difference when we prioritize chokos over swords. Almost impossible to 1pop a choko quickly. Gua will produce galley(t22)-choko(t23)-sword(t24).
Agreed. I was being sloppy with Yan workers.@bbp, the fp at Yanan-n should be watermilled after the fp at Yanan-nw. This is a perfect example of what Kait said -- it might prevent us from watermilling Y-nw. Also, Y-nw could be shared by the 2-gold city, so might as well improve it first.
Attached here. Is that ok, or do I need to submit through the gotm site?bbp, could you upload any t11 save you have, pls? I want to know how many hammers AI cities are producing per turn.
You should submit through gotm site. OK to put link here. Allowed but discouraged to put file here.Attached here. Is that ok, or do I need to submit through the gotm site?
okay, bbp, go ahead and delete the link. I've downloaded it. Ty.Ok, I missed that. That's pretty much what I was doing, too. Except with a delayed chop and the 2t of revolt. My sword is done on T26, which is the same, when you discount the 2t revolt. Food bin and OF are probably a bit different.
Agreed. I was being sloppy with Yan workers.
Attached here. Is that ok, or do I need to submit through the gotm site?
Freaked me out, Deckhand. Thought I'd gone into a opponent's thread...You should submit through gotm site. OK to put link here. Allowed but discouraged to put file here.
pop2 mod
16f 75% Classical
15f 70% Medieval
14f 65% Renaissance
13f 60% Industrial
12f 55% Modern
suspicious and unusual to see me posting here?Freaked me out, Deckhand. Thought I'd gone into a opponent's thread...![]()
Same here.But I just read the words - understanding would be too much work.![]()
I just realized that Deity AI trainpercent is 60. For some reason I thought it was 85. Do they actually only need 36 hammers to build a worker? It's also 60 for construct percent. So archers are only 15h? That means an archer whip is automatically 2 archers in 2t. sheesh.
Edit: Tokyo comped its worker on t10 with 34h!? How? Is that because of the -5% iAIPerEraModifier? 60*(60%-5%) = 33h ? Meaning AIs' train and build percent is 55% ?!?!? Wowsalot.
So wbs would be 16h? HK is at 17h right now, wbs cost more or HK's not building a wb.
Omg. That would also mean city growth rate is 75%? 16f instead of 17f for pop2?
Okay, this is getting freaky. Went into the test save T4 and planted GSpies and spies in various AI cities. Get this, pop2 Rome needs 18f for pop3, Toku at pop2 needs 17f for pop3, whereas pop2 Stalin only needs 16f, and pop2 Washington needs 15h?!? WTH???? Pop1 JC needs 16f. Pop1 Washington needs 13f. Settler costs 92h. Granary costs 32h. Archers cost 14h. Worker costs 34h. How come different AIs have different costs?
Omg. THey're in different eras, different era modifers. Duh. So now knowing their eras becomes a factor. Sure enough:
Code:pop2 mod 16f 75% Classical 15f 70% Medieval 14f 65% Renaissance 13f 60% Industrial 12f 55% Modern
So the million-dollar question is, do those AI modifiers affect wonder builds? Industrious AIs already have a +50% hammer bonus and I have Stalin and Roosevelt in the Modern era (-25% era modifier), BIsmarck in the Industrial era (-20%) and De Gaulle in the Renaissance (-15%).
Okay, what about tech costs?The AI difficulty modifiers do not affect wonders.
Okay, what about tech costs?
Right, but is there an additional era modifier? I'm not even sure how to detect that. In the test save, I could play long enough to see an AI building a wonder using a GSpy and spy, but how does one see the AI's tech rate?I think they pay Noble costs and we pay 130% of that.