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Note we already have +1 plusmod with SB for resource trades. We’ll likely get to +2 before +2 for OBs anyway. We likely only need 1 resource trade going.
[BTS] SGOTM 26 - Home Slices
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Any chance one cottage could help us get CoL 1t sooner?
I don't want to do this. The TR is mostly +1 (unless we settle NE Island), but I suppose eventually +2/city after we meet some AI or SB gets more cities.
We don't have any AI to trade with, we don't have alpha, and even if they trade resources, they probably don't even have 1gpt to pay us.
Like Mitch said, if SH goes late, it's likely Oracle will go past T80. And were only talking about getting our failgold on 67 vs T70 at the latest.
I've been considering this, but if we do our failgold right, there won't be time or (really a need) for double bulb (unless like you said we use caste scientists) Otherwise it's 34 turns (maybe less if we gamble with a dirty gene pool) to get GS #2. Paper is as little as ~10 turns after CS (but we will probably detour to IW, etc)
Yeah, what MirrorGuard said. Change that to 1W, and 1S2W. Or, if you have the time, include the gems in the route.
Note: you can build this ^^ road faster even with the jungle
because it's 2t roads, so 5t total instead of 6t. (So we can probably build one less worker 
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I'm impressed with your results, Kait. You slid Oracle just a turn but appear to have gotten so much more out of the empire.
Will you be posting your PPP today? I'd like to run through it once to see what you're doing.
Will you be posting your PPP today? I'd like to run through it once to see what you're doing.
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A Science cottage means Science grows at +2fpt after IW...?!
You’re forgetting build wealth!!!
Actually has a use in this game. We could maxOF whip multiple Duns on the same turn gifting the stone away only once, while putting the hammer OF into the same wonder on consecutive turns. Cities wait their turn while building wealth.LowtherCastle
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Any chance the farm or cottage could be improved before chopping Canal?
Ya, working on it now.
I know, I'm just sayin' (since we have an over-abundance of workers), we could temporarily use a cottage to squeak out CoL. Then maybe farm over it some day. Or, sometimes when you've grown to the happy cap, the cottage could be worked...give a citizen something to do a couple turns-- right before it's whipped away.
re: wealth. Yeah, that or build research is a great way to hold overflow, but other than that, it's not a good investment (now that we have stone.) It was good--exactly the same as the hammers we put in Henge, but good by the time we get Currency. But you all know all that.
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Speaking of Lord Croissant... I have experienced early morning Spring Heaven twice: a walk in nature listening to the birds and a walk in Paris, air saturated with the aroma of freshly baked croissants.
PPP 1.3
Turn 55 to Turn 77 (Will only play 10 turns)
Turn 55 to Turn 77 (Will only play 10 turns)
Continuing from LowtherCastle's T45-T55 playthrough.
1st Rough Draft
Empire
Spoiler :
Scenarios
Early Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T56 and T63 and receive 116
the following turn. 
Once we see the message, we cannot add more hammers or chops to a current Stonehenge build because they will vanish.
Golden Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T65 and T66 and receive (116 + fail gold from Cow City) the following turn.
Congratulations, we got extra money and have it early enough to use it to guarantee T77 Oracle -> Civil Service
Late Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T67 and T75 and receive (116 + fail gold from every city that worked Stonehenge) the following turn.
Oracle is delayed - This Stonehenge gold gets added onto the end of our Great Wall gold. Might be thinking about Oracle -> Currency.
Criminal Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message after Turn 76 and receive our gold the following turn.
Getting Stonehenge gold after the Great Wall gold ran out means we limp to Oracle.
Hopefully we delayed Great Wall completion a few turns so we could still attempt to Oracle Civil Service in a decent time.
Ugh, can no city add Stonehenge fail gold on Turn 63?
TechsEarly Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T56 and T63 and receive 116
the following turn. Once we see the message, we cannot add more hammers or chops to a current Stonehenge build because they will vanish.
Golden Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T65 and T66 and receive (116
+ fail gold from Cow City) the following turn.Congratulations, we got extra money and have it early enough to use it to guarantee T77 Oracle -> Civil Service
Late Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message between T67 and T75 and receive (116
+ fail gold from every city that worked Stonehenge) the following turn.Oracle is delayed - This Stonehenge gold gets added onto the end of our Great Wall gold. Might be thinking about Oracle -> Currency.
Criminal Stonehenge - We see the "Stonehenge completed in a far away land" message after Turn 76 and receive our gold the following turn.
Getting Stonehenge gold after the Great Wall gold ran out means we limp to Oracle.
Hopefully we delayed Great Wall completion a few turns so we could still attempt to Oracle Civil Service in a decent time.
Ugh, can no city add Stonehenge fail gold on Turn 63?
T55 - Masonry 0% (40
+20) Masonry@ 2/124T56 - Masonry 100% (60
-37) +64
Masonry@ 3/124T57 - Masonry 40% (23
+0) +25 Masonry@ 94/124T58 - Meditation 0% (23
+24) Meditation@ 0+Overflow/124T59 - Meditation 0% (47
+23) Meditation@ 5/124T60 - Meditation 100% (70
-38) +69 Meditation@ 6/124T61 - Meditation 0% (32
+33) Meditation@ 90/124T62 - Meditation 100% (65
-38) +67 Meditation@ 91/124T63 - Priesthood 0% (32
+29) Priesthood@ 0+Overflow/93 Note the +5 from Chariot overflowT64 - Priesthood 100% (61
-39) +67 Priesthood@ 49/93T65 - Writing 70% (22
-20) +43 Writing@ 0+Overflow/187 (Goal was try to be broke each turn to be able to spend Stonehenge gold as fast as possible 
)T66 - Writing 40% (2
+0) +25 Writing@ 118/187T67 - Writing 100% (118
-39) +65 Writing@ 159/187 (Gave myself +116 with world builder to simulate Early Stonehenge Scenario. Science City can start Library on T68 even without Stonehenge money)T68 - Mathematics 100% (79
-40) +66 Mathematics@ 0+Overflow/390 (Requires Open Borders with Sitting Bull for +1 per turn)T69 - Mathematics 90% (39
-34) +64 Mathematics@ 137/390T70 - Mathematics 100% (73
-42) +74 Mathematics@ 215/390T71 - Mathematics 100% (255
-42) +74 Mathematics@ 305/390T72 - Code of Laws 100% (213
-45) +85 Code of Laws@ 0+Overflow/546T73 - Code of Laws 100% (168
-45) +83 Code of Laws@ 107/546T74 - Code of Laws 100% (125
-43) +81 Code of Laws@ 207/546T75 - Code of Laws 100% (82
-47) +93 Code of Laws@ 305/546T76 - Code of Laws 80% (35
-30) +68 Code of Laws@ 417/546T77 - Code of Laws 60% (15
-13) +52 Code of Laws@ 499/546 Note the +10 from Dun overflow in Science CityWorkers
Shepherd - (Worker 2N1W of Cow City)
T56 - Road 1N of Cow City and Stop!
T57 - Move to tundra forest 1N2E of Cow City
T58 - Chop 1N2E of Cow City and Stop!
T59 - Move to tundra forest 2N2W of Science City
T60 - T63 Chop forest for Great Wall
T64 - Move to tundra forest 1N2E of Cow City
T65 - T67 Chop forest for Great Wall
T68 - Move to 1W of Science City
T69 - Move to 2S1W of Science City
T70 - T71 Road Gems
T72 - Move to 3S2W of Science City
T73 - T74 Road 3S2W of Science City
Cowboy - (Worker 1E of Whale City)
T55 - T59 Mine Silver
T60 - T61 Move to the tundra forest 2W1N of Silver City
T62 - T65 Chop forest for Great Wall
T66 - Move to fur 2N of Silver City
T67 - T69 Road fur
T70 - Road 1W of Silver City and Stop!
T71 - T75 Camp Deer
Phillip - (Worker 1N1W of Profit City)
T55 - Chop forest 1N1W of Profit City
T56 - Chop forest 1N1W of Profit City and Stop!
T57 - T59 Road stone
T60 - T63 Quarry stone
T64 - Board Galley and sail north
T65 - Get off at forest 2S of Cows City
T66 - T67 Chop forest for Great Wall
T68 - Move onto Deer tile
T69 - T70 Road Deer
Joan Dark - (Worker 1N of Science City)
T56 - Farm 1W of Science City and Stop!
T57 - Road 2W of Science City and Stop!
T58 - T59 Board Galley and sail south into Profit City
T60 - T63 Exit galley in Profit City and quarry stone
T64 - Board galley with Phillip and sail north
T65 - Get off at forest 2S of Cows City
T66-T67 Chop forest for Great Wall
T68 - Move onto Deer tile
T69 - Road Deer
The Phillip + Joan Dark micro gets a little confusing T70 depending on when we want to chop Oracle.
One of them will board the galley on T70 or T71, unload in Profit city, and chop forest 2W of Profit City.
The other will road 1S1E of Deer, chop the forest to kill time, and board the galley to sail south, unload in Profit City, and chop the forest on the same turn as the other.
Rex - (Worker born in Science City on Turn 58)
T58 - Move to 2N2E of Science City
T59 - T60 Move to forest 1E of Wheat
T61 - T63 Chop forest
T64 - T66 Return to Science City on same path
T67 - T69 Farm 1W of Science City
T70 - T73 Farm 1N1W of Science City
Settlers
Settler 7 - (Our last Settler located 7N5E of Science City)
T56 - Move 1N1W and halt game if fish or copper discovered
T57 - Move 1W onto hill to get a good look
T58 - Board galley to sail back to capital if northern island is a dud
T60 - Exit galley 3N3E of capital
T61 - T64 Walk to forest 2N of Cow City without trampling on any forest growth
T65 - ??? make a settling decision because Sitting Bull Open Borders will occur T68 and he will target those clams
Cities
Science City
T55 - Worker; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm
T56 - Worker; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, unimproved Plainsriver
T57 - 2-pop Whip Worker; Sheep, Horse, Winefarm (I'll take 2
over 2
)T58 - Granary; HALT GROWTH BUTTON ON Sheep, Horse, Rice
T59 - Chariot; Sheep, Horse, Rice
T60 - Chariot; HALT GROWTH BUTTON OFF Sheep, Winefarm, Rice
T61 - Chariot; Sheep, Horse, Rice, Winefarm
T62 - 1-pop Whip Chariot; Sheep, Rice, Winefarm (3
from overflow cap is better than 1
when played out to T77)T63 - The Great Wall (goes to 110/150
); Sheep, Rice, Horse, WinefarmT64 - Warrior; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm (If early Writing comes due to Stonehenge gold, do Library!)
T65 - The Great Wall (goes to 128/150
); Sheep, Rice, Horse, WinefarmT66 - Dun; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm (If early Writing comes due to Stonehenge gold, do Library!)
T67 - Warrior; Dun; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm
T68 - Library; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm
T69 - T70 Library; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm x2
T71 - 2-pop Whip Library; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm
T72 - Pyramids (goes to 50
); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, PlainsriverfarmT73 - Dun; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm
T74 - Pyramids (goes to 70
); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, PlainsriverfarmT75 - Pyramids (goes to 88
) Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Scientist x2 (not sure if scientists are needed)T76 - 1-pop Whip Dun; Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, Plainsriverfarm
T77 - Pyramids (goes to 208
if Deer road gets pillaged and Stone returned); Sheep, Rice, Horse, Winefarm, PlainsriverfarmCow City
T55 - 1-pop Whip Workboat; Crab, Cow, Tundrafur, Plainshillfur
T56 - Another Workboat; Crab, Cow, x3 Fur
T57 - T59 Another Workboat; Crab, Cow, x3 Fur
T60 - T63 Another Workboat; Crab, Cow, x3 Fur
T64 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 22
); Crab, Cow, x3 Fur (Stonehenge is more important if available)T65 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 38
); Crab, Cow, x3 FurT66 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 54
); Crab, Cow, x3 FurT67 - The Great Wall (goes to 96
/150)T68 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 70
); Crab, Cow, x3 FurT69 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 86
); Crab, Cow, x3 FurT70 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 102
); Crab Cow, x3 FurT71 - Stonehenge or Pyramids (goes to 118
); Crab Cow, x3 FurT72 - Granary; Crab Cow, x3 Fur
T73 - Pyramids (goes to 134
); Crab Cow, x3 FurT74 - T75 Warrior; Crab Cow, x3 Fur (to pillage road to deer to get stone back, costs us -1
per turn)T76 - T77 Granary; Crab Cow, x3 Fur
Canal City
T55 - 1-pop Whip Workboat; Crab, Coast
T56 - Granary; Crab, Coast
T57 - Granary; Crab, Clam
T58 - Granary; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam
T59 - T62 The Great Wall CRUCIAL BUILD; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam
T63 - 2-pop Whip Granary; Crab, Clam
T64 - The Great Wall (goes to 86/150
); Crab, ClamT65 - T66 Lighthouse; Crab, Clam
T67 - Lighthouse; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam
T68 - The Great Wall CRUCIAL BUILD (goes to 90/150
); Crab, Clam, tundraforestT69 - 2-pop Whip The Great Wall; Crab, Clam
T70 - Lighthouse; Crab, Clam
T71 - T72 Lighthouse; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam
T73 - 2-pop Whip Lighthouse; Crab, Clam
T74 - Library; Crab, Clam
T75 - T76 Library; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam
T77 - Library; Crab, Clam, unimproved Clam, Coast
Profit City
T55 - 57 Granary; Tundraforest (These 6 hammers help a lot after Turn 77, so no Stonehenge gold)
T58 - T59 Dun CRUCIAL BUILD; Tundraforest
T60 - T61 Dun; Crab
T62 - Dun; Crab, unimproved Stone
T63 - T64 Dun; Crab, Stone
T65 - T69 Oracle CRUCIAL BUILD; Crab, Stone
T70 - Dun; Crab, Stone, Coast CRUCIAL BUILD (if going for Oracle faster than Turn 77 chops do Stone + 2 Tundraforest)
T71 - T75 Oracle; Crab, Stone, Coast
T76 - 1-pop Whip Dun; Crab, Stone
T77 - Oracle chopped complete; Crab, Stone
Silver City
T55 - Granary; Clam, Silvermine
T56 - T61 Granary; Clam, Silvermine, Fur
T62 - T64 Granary; Clam, Crab, Silvermine
T65 - 1-pop Whip Granary; HALT GROWTH BUTTON ON Clam, Crab
T66 - The Great Wall (goes to 68
/150); Clam, CrabT67 - Scout; HALT GROWTH BUTTON OFF Clam, Crab
T68 - Scout; Clam, Crab x2
T69 - Scout; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine
T70 - T71 Scout; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine
T72 - T73 Scout; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur
T74 - Lighthouse; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur
T75 - T77 Lighthouse; Clam, Crab x2, Silvermine, Fur, Coast
Whale City
T55 - T59 Monument; Crab
T60 - T67 Monument; Crab, Silvermine
T68 - T71 Granary; Crab, Silvermine
T72 - T77 Granary; Crab, Silvermine, Coast
Units
Galley 1 (8N1W of Canal City)
T56 - T59 Sail to 1S of Mountain to pick up Settler and then sail towards Canal City
T60 - Drop off Settler 1N1E of wheat and sail towards Canal City
T61 - T69 Sail to 4S1E of Cow City
T70 - Depending on the Oracle chop schedule, take Phillip or Joan down to chop 1 forest 2W of Profit City, and then come back north to take the other down to chop the 2nd forest at the same time to complete Oracle
Galley 2 (Inside Cow City)
T58 - Pick up Joan Dark and sail to Profit City
T60 - Unload Joan Dark in Profit City
T61 - T63 Move to 1N of Profit City and wait
T64 - Pick up Joan and Phillip and sail north
T65 - Drop off Joan and Phillip at 2S of Cows City
T66 - Pick up Warrior 2 from Deer Camp and sail for Silver City
T71 - Drop off Warrior 2 inside Silver City in passing on the way west
T73 - Reach 3S1E of Whale City
T74 - Pick up Scout from 2S2E of Whale City and sail west to explore
Warrior 2
T56 - Head to Deer 2S1E of Cow City. Cow City does not need a garrison
T66 - Get on Galley 2 before it sails northeast
T71 - Get off Galley 2 into Silver City
Warrior 3 (Born in Cow City)
T75 - Move to 1S1E of Cow City
T76 - Move to deer camp 2S1E of Cow City
T77 - Pillage road 1S1E of Deer to get the empire Stone back from Sitting Bull
Scout 1 (Born in Silver City)
T73 - Born in Silver City, move to 2S2E of Whale City
T74 - Board Galley 2 to explore the west
Chariot
T63 - T68 Head to 2S1E of Canal City
T69 + Explore Sitting Bull's lands if Open Borders are signed
Workboat 5 (Born in Cow City T56)
T56 - T61 Sail to 1E of Silver City
T62 - Net crab 2E1N of Silver City
Workboat 6 (Born in Canal City T56)
T56 - Move to 1S1W of Canal City
T57 - Net clam 2S of Canal City
Workboat 7 (Born in Cow City T57)
T57 - T59 Sail to 3N2E of Profit City
T60 - Net Profit City crabs
Workboat 8 (Born in Cow City T60)
T60 - T65 Sail to 2S of Silver City
T66 - Net crab 2S of Silver City
Workboat 9 (Born in Cow City T64)
T64 - T73 Sail to 1S1W of Whale City
T78 - Net seafood 2S1W of Whale City
Diplomacy
Espionage
on Sitting BullCancel health resource gift if empire becomes unhealthy
T68 - Possibly Open Borders with Sitting Bull to explore his lands. This might cause him to settle double clams. The +1
per turn is actually useful and was used to help me get T77 Oracle Chop.Check for fist icon every turn (Technically possible if Sitting Bull is Cautious and has Bronze. ??? possible if he has Dog Soldier and Chariot)
Screenshot religion screen, espionage screen, demographics, and sitting bull cities every turn
T76 - Give Stone + Deer to Sitting Bull after whipping Duns in Science and Profit
Stopping Points
T56 - Copper or additional seafood is found in northern island
Any World Wonder is completed by the AI
Meet a new AI
Sitting Bull starts plotting war (fist icon)
Start of Turn 65 is reached
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Updated with latest changes after playing Turn 55
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I thought is was closer to 7.5% or 8% done myself.
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Created a summary post with thread links finally. Have a look. If there are any more links, from here or elsewhere, you’d like available, let me know any time going forward.
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Re-visiting our required city builds:
I discovered that the Industrial Park requires a 250h factory.
I discovered that the Industrial Park requires a 250h factory.
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I don’t know how much our maintenance costs will be with Sushi but Cows will be able to dry-whip wbs for 50gpt w/forge+factory+coal plant+ ironworks+ drydock. Not sure how long that will be in operation before game end. x50% w/Kremlin.
Whoa, that was a lot of work!
Must have reread the whole thread.
Hopefully the team likes it.
The map is 84x36 and cylindrical.
That means the farthest possible city distance will be on a band halfway around the world.
City 1 has 41 tiles to the left and right which intersect at City 2 on the 42nd tile.
Bottom strip has 35 tiles above it, so max vertical distance is 35 tiles.
So go diagonally 35 tiles followed by 7 tiles to the side.
That is 35*1.5+7 rounded down or 59.
Maxplotdistance should be 59.
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As a wise man once said: "Whoa, that was a lot of work!"
I'll try to walk through it in detail tomorrow.
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I get it. Sadly, the lower the maxplot the higher the ep cost to steal techs.Whoa, that was a lot of work!
Must have reread the whole thread.
PPP is up now for testing to iron out mistakes and add any good ideas.
Hopefully the team likes it.
The map is 84x36 and cylindrical.
That means the farthest possible city distance will be on a band halfway around the world.
City 1 has 41 tiles to the left and right which intersect at City 2 on the 42nd tile.
Bottom strip has 35 tiles above it, so max vertical distance is 35 tiles.
So go diagonally 35 tiles followed by 7 tiles to the side.
That is 35*1.5+7 rounded down or 59.
Maxplotdistance should be 59.
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City MM looks well conceived. 
I assume you get the fur happy soon enough. You could avoid the 14 wkr-ts roading the Cow deer by roading and camping the Silver deer instead. Food for thought.
Would that make Rex unnecessary?
Or enable more failgold?
Or better prepare for gems?
Or improve a Sci tile sooner?
Hard for me to know how to fine-tune your optimization...
I assume you get the fur happy soon enough. You could avoid the 14 wkr-ts roading the Cow deer by roading and camping the Silver deer instead. Food for thought.
Would that make Rex unnecessary?
Or enable more failgold?
Or better prepare for gems?
Or improve a Sci tile sooner?
Hard for me to know how to fine-tune your optimization...
of course you meant 1W
A lot of worker plans can be derailed with forest growth, so if you have critical moves/chops, etc. you might want to consider worst case scenarios.
tl;dr Send Galley 2 far NW w/ chariot or warrior
If we don't settle the Island-formerly-known-as-Metal-Island, then Galley 1 could pick up chariot and quickly drop it at Canal-2S1E, then...
Go and get the Oracle choppers. This means...
Galley 2, after dropping off T65, can explore the far NW with a unit on board. Ideally, a chariot (from Silver?).
Most of the AI is coastal rt now, but that chariot could help us get more TR connections and spy on inland cities.
Not to mention the possibility that land/ice blocks us from circumnavigating and the chariot completes the connection.
That means...
wb9 is probably for Whales' seafood.
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Why not a scout?
