SGOTM6 - Xteam

[Gyathaar]

One thing that is good about ICS is that all the towns adds a lot to your powerrating, so you can easilly get a lot in peace deals
If I didnt want those 2 techs in the peace deal with china, I could have gotten all their towns (except the capital ofcourse)

 

[leif erikson]

@Mistfit - You forgot the supercharger sticking out of the hood and the gun turret on top, a perfect gift for the warmonger of the family!!

@Alan - That F4 composite is cool. Talk about entangling alliances. Looks like we might be able to play off this a little bit as the only civ aligned with the Mongols is Japan. Should they declare, they are already at war with plenty of other civs as well. I wonder if we could drag Babylon along with us against Japan, should Japan declare.

Good luck, both with the new wheels and the Mongols!!

 

[AlanH]

Summary
Quite a mix of MM, building, trading, and trying to fight a war that I hadn't really prepared properly for.

- We have 53 cities plus a settler in place, including a couple of towns we've taken away from the Mongols, and we have 11% of the territory.
- We know how to make Gunpowder but we have no saltpeter yet.
- Japan is at war with almost everyone.
- We are at war with the Mongols.

Turn 140 50 AD Preflight
F1: MM various towns. Starve Tsingtao (resisting)
F4: Our WM is out of date by about 30 gold. Trade round make 79 gold. Trade dyes and spices to France for 24gpt.
We have 141 gold + 153gpt. We could research Gunpowder in 9 turns, but it's probably cheaper to save up and buy it.
F3: We are rated average or strong against all civs. There are barbs reported near Chinan - probably on the islands in the fog.

IBT Carthage settler seen heading north for spaces. England declares on Japan. Jananese galley heads west on our north coast.
Beijing, Kiafeng temple->settler. Xinjian, Monguntiacum worker->settler. Camulodonum, Eboracum knight->knight

Turn 141 70 AD Move Euroswords south, knight west, workers to work.

IBT Babylon declares on Japan. We have a major dogpile on Japan! Japansese galley turns back east.
Shanghai riots as it grew last turn and is suffering from whip unhappiness. Mohacs knight->knight. Chinan worker->temple, Axima warrior->temple

Turn 142 90 AD 454 gold + 164gpt

IBT Tsingtao resistance ends. Tsingtao worker->barracks. Richborough, Curovernum settler->settler. Augustodorum knight->knight. Chengdu worker->barracks. ningpo worker->worker.
Paris completes Leonardo's, starts JS Bach.

Turn 143 110 AD Our borders have now enclosed the furs. Cut lux tax to zero.
France has Music Theory, of course. So does everyone else except Japan, who's at war with them all. We have a 2-fer opportunity. Buy Music Theory from Vikings for 513+WM. Buy Gunpowder from Japan for Music+WM+33gpt+7. Back to Vikings and sell Gunpowder for WM+513 gold. We have no saltpeter. France has one spare, would charge 20gpt+cash for it. Japan has 2 saltpeter, only one source hooked up near Kyoto. India has it connected at Lahore, but it's not linked to Delhi yet. Can't see any in Mongolia, but there's plenty in the northern hemisphere.
Sell WM around for a few shekels. France is ahead Banking. We are ahead of Babylon and Mongols by Music and Gunpowder, and China by Gunpowder.
Our euroswords seem to have reached the Mongolian border. Might as well keep going Declare war.
@Ulaanbaatar, grass, pop 5: Vet sword kills 4/5 Khorchin, promotes 5/5. Vet sword kills 3/3 spear, no damage. Vet sword kills 3/3 spear->2/4, takes town with 4 resisters.
Second stack advances on Hovd over mountain. Reg spear on top, hills pop 3.

Pop rush a couple of temples.

618 gold+143gpt. Slider 10.0.0. We could research Chemistry in 17 turns at 80%.

IBT No counters from Mongols, just a few worker and spear moves.
Lugdunum knight->knight. Tienstsin temple->barracks, Tatung temple->worker, Nemausus temple->worker, Glanum barracks->knight, Deva temple->barracks.
Japan, Carthage, Vikings, Americans building JS Bach

Turn 144 130 AD Build New Entremont in west->temple

@Hovd: vet sword kills 3/3 spear, no damage. Elite sword kills 3/3 spear no damage nad takes town, 2 resisters

Near Ulaanbaatar: elite sword kills 3/3 spear in forest. Stacks advance on Kazan and Mandalgovi.

Buy a worker+WM from America 27 gold+WM. Buy a worker+WM from Carthage for WM+26. Babs has Music.

716 gold+144gpt

IBT Beijing settler->settler. Hangchow temple->barracks, Verulamium knight->knight, Gergovia worker->worker, Isca worker->worker, Segusio worker->worker
Babs, England building Bach's. Salamanca completes Sistine Chapel. Everyone switches Sistine builds to Bach's.

Turn 145 150 AD
@Mandalgovi - tundra, pop 2: vet knight kills 3/3 spear->2/4

Outside Hovd: 5/5 sword retreats vs 3/3 spear on hill, no damage. 4/4 sword kills 3/3 spear->2/4.

@Kazan - hills, pop 6: There's a pike on top, so we'll cross the river and wait for a knight to arrive.

Build New Mohacs south of Chengdu

IBT Mongol LB kills 2/4 sword outside Hovd.
Vikings declare on Japan.
Shanghai temple->barracks, Canton temple->barracks, Nanking settler->settler, Tsingtao barracks->knight, Agedincum knight->knight, Lapurdum settler->barracks, Lindum worker->worker, Gevum temple->barracks, Lezoux worker->temple.
Carthage gets lucky and completed Bach's in hte cascade from Sistine. Audible sound of shields down drains all over the map.

Turn 146 170 AD
Outside Hovd: 4/4 sword dies vs 4/4 LB on hill. LB redlined, promotes to 2/5. 4/4 sword kills him->2/4

Move Nanking to radius 5.

Buy WM+worker from America for 31+WM. Resell WM.

1001 gold+143gpt


IBT Mongol counters - we lose two swords and a knight to Khorchins and a LB.
Noviomagus worker->temple

Turn 147 190 AD
Build New Lugdunum at radius 5 from Beijing

@Mandalgovi: 4/4 sword dies vs 3/3 spear 4/4 sword kills spear->2/4, takes town. One taxman.

Outside Kazan: 4/4 sword kills 2/4 khorchin->3/4,
@Kazan: Stack attacks - kills one pike, redlines second pike, we lose two swords.

IBT Japan and India sign peace.
Remaining 3 swords at Kazan are killed by Mongol Khorchins, LB nad even a couple of warriors
Entremont barracks->knight, Camulodunum riots

Turn 148 210 AD
Regroup. France now has no spare saltpeter, so she's traded it to someone. Japan has spare, available for 1000 gold.
Mongols willtalk. They would give three fringe towns - Tsetserleg+Edenet+Chobalsan for peace.

IBT Khorchin attacks knight, redlines him, but dies.
Beijing settler->granary, Richborough settler->knight

Turn 149 230 AD
Outside Darhan: sword retreats from LB->2/4. Knight kills 2/4 LB->2/4
In Mongol mountains knight kills warrior->1/4

Build New Camulodonum

India and Japan have Banking now, so it's for sale at a price.
Trade maps around for some cash, and leave Banking ot the next better player.
America has Ivory for sale as well.

IBT Mongols kill a knight and a sword near Darhan.
Camulodunum, Ratae Coritanorum, Tolosa knight->knight.
Palace gets four vertical symbols of Brennus' masculinity.

Turn 150 250 AD
Kill a LB and a Khorchin. Retreat redlined knight in mountains.
Build New Richborough

After action report
There's a settler on a radius 5.x spot north east of Beijing, ready to settle there next turn. That completes the 5 ring for Beijing, having moved Nanking.

The war against the Mongols is in that stage where they've counter-attacked and we've lost several units. We're waiting for reinforcements, and hoping that the Mongols don't come up with too many more offensive units. I should probably have waited for the knights to get there before engaging them with the swords, but the Khorchin are doing a lot of damage to our knights as well. The hill towns defended with pikes could be taken with swords, but knights will be more efficient. It's probably better to use the swords as second string now, mopping up strays, and build up an attack with knights.

I don't know what stage of Golden Age they are in, if any. They've been at war with other civs before we declared, but I don't know if their UUs saw any action. They would give us three dead end towns for peace now, and we haven't really started to hurt them yet.

Banking is out there in three civs. I don't see it as important yet. We need Chemistry/Metallurgy/Mil Tradition, but the AI were fiddling with Music and now, probably, Democracy, Economics and Artistic Impression.

We have 130+ gpt, and 1500 gold in the bank. We have four luxuries, and we need some markets in our core cities to maximise cash.

MM is getting tedious, and complex with our tight build round the FP. I added one town near Ratae, and there's room for two or three more in the south. Several new towns filled in between the two cores, among the mountains, and there are several spots near to the Mongolian lands to be settled once we secure the area.

Have fun Tomoyo.

 

[Tomoyo]

Got it. I'll play tomorrow, since I don't feel like MMing now, since I want to sleep...

I'll catch up on some reading and discussion that I've slacked on.

 

[leif erikson]

Nice Work, Alan!

Sounds like we should be prepared to, hopefully, fill in a little bit of Japanese space should their war with everyone go bad. Perhaps we should build a galley and have it ready on the east coast should any opportunities present themselves.

Get a good night's sleep Tomoyo, sounds like some heavy MM. Maybe I'd better get some sleep myself!!

 

[Gyathaar]

I don't know what stage of Golden Age they are in, if any. They've been at war with other civs before we declared, but I don't know if their UUs saw any action.

I forgot to mention it, but I saw a mongol UU kill a chinese warrior next to our territory 1 or 2 turns before the palace jump

 

[Capt Buttkick]

All you need now is a custom paint job

I must have entered the wrong thread. If this is the "Pimp my Ride" thread, where's sgotm6?

Btw: nice wheels, Alan. Luxury cars are a bit overpriced in Norway so it'll be a while before I find myself in one of those

 

[AlanH]

I forgot to mention it, but I saw a mongol UU kill a chinese warrior next to our territory 1 or 2 turns before the palace jump

Of course! He was still around when I picked it up, a 2/5 Khorchin, I seem to recall. That means their GA will last a maximum of another 8 turns, could be less.

 

[DJMGator13]

Nicely done Alan.

I must have gotten the cheaper PC version of that new CivIII Paint program, but it gets the point across.

How effective has the dogpile been......

Japan has lost a total of 1 tile (not city) since 150BC.

Japan stats from Mapstats
17 cities 316 tiles 150BC
17 cities 316 tiles 50AD
17 cities 315 tiles 250AD

But my real reason for the post is that I agree with leif and we should be ready to move on Japan while the dogpile is still in effect. They have 2 sources of saltpeter and a third just into India territory. We don't need to attack Japan until we have finished up with the Monogols but as we wrap up the Mongols we should start preparing for Japan. This should allow us to gain control of the salts prior to us gaining MT and cavs.

EDIT: And the one JPN city that we can see into is defended by a spear not musket. I'm thinking that Japan has positioned its better defenders to their eastern side and have currently left their backside exposed. If we could start taking cities from them with the dogpile in effect the other AIs might get active in the war also.

 

[AlanH]

Nice F4 job, Gator. Mine just benefited from the 'Clone Stamp' tool in Photoshop, which I've recently discovered and is a magical way to manipulate pictures.

Yes, it often seems that the AI can be at war forever and never actually achieve anything. And in this case the Japanese only have two neighbours - Iroquois an India. The rest are probably too far away to bother, India has now made peace, so it's only Iroquois who could be for real. That should pull all Japan's samurai over to the east, where I'd have thought they would be able to make mincemeat out of Hiawatha, but apparently not ... yet? Perhaps they are dispersed as a result of the multiple perceived threats, in which case they'd be an easy target.

One option is to use the same dastardly trick we pulled on Persia in Gator01. As soon as we get Mil Tradition, sign up a RoP and saltpeter deal with Japan, upgrade a stack of knights to cavalry, boat them over and billet them next to some key Japanese cities, then declare and take out their western region.

The challenge here would be a little different. We would want to hold the captured territory, not just make a hit and run raid on the Great Library. And we'd need to build enough knights for upgrade so that we could survive with no more cavalry builds until we can get the saltpeter hooked up through a harbour or through India.

 

[Tomoyo]

Pre-flight: Turn off animations, team colour disk, and "Always Renegotiate Deals". I trust that ALan left it okay.

IT: Kill a Khorchin.

Shanghai: Settler --> Settler
Lugdunum: Settler --> Knight

260AD (1): New Verulanium founded. Starts barracks.

When I zoom into a city, and I see that a tile the city needs is worked by another city, it takes me a couple of zooms to find the actual city that's using that tile.

Switch New Camulodorum to the Heroic Epic. Why? Guess. It only makes one spt...

Kill a spearman.

IT: Duroctorum: Temple --> Barracks

New Lugdunum is working a mountain tile that produces two food and two shields? Warrior --> Barracks.

270AD (2): Get together a Knight SoD.

IT: Guangzhou: Barracks --> Knight

Mohacs: Knight --> Knight
Ulaanbaatar: Warrior --> Temple
Verulanium: Knight --> Knight
Nemausus: Barracks --> Knight
Curovernum: Settler --> Barracks

280AD (3): New Gergovia founded. Starts temple.

Advance the Knight/Eurosword SoD.

Buy Chemistry from France for 1600 gold.
Trade Chemistry to the Vikings for Banking.
Trade Chemistry to the Americans for Ivory.
Trade Chemistry to the English for Economics.

IT: Kill a lot of Mongol troops, but lose a Eurosword.

Tatung: Worker --> Worker
Hovd: Warrior --> Temple
Lapurdum: Barracks --> Knight

290AD (4): Kill two pikes and Darhan is ours. Start temple.

Kill some random Mongols.

Switch New Camulodorum back to barracks.

Whip the temple in New Entremont.

IT: Lugdunum FLIPS TO THE JAPANESE!!!!!

Gergovia: Worker --> Worker
New Entremont: Temple --> Barracks

300AD (5): New Augustodorum founded. Starts temple.

Advance SoD.

IT: NeoCarthage declares war on the Japanese.

Qingdao: Knight --> Knight
Kaifeng: Settler --> Settler
Lindum: Worker --> Barracks
Glevum: Barracks --> Harbour
Lezoux: Temple --> Barracks

310AD (6): Kill two pikes and Tabriz is ours.

Take a break. Eat lunch. Watch Chobits 23.

March on Karakorum. Kazan grew to size 7.

IT: Shanghai: Settler --> Settler

Augustodorum: Knight --> Knight
Chinan: Temple --> Harbor

320AD (7): I'm one attacker short of taking Karakorum. Rename some Chinese cities to a non-bastardised form.

IT: Xinjian: Settler --> Worker
Camulodorum: Knight --> Knight
Agedincum: Knight --> Knight
Chengdu: Barracks --> Temple
Deva: Barracks --> Knight

330AD (8): Trade Chemisty to Japan for Printing Press.

Capture Karakorum.

Get seven elite victories, but no leader.

New Agedincum founded, starts temple.

IT:

Beijing: Granary --> Marketplace
Nanjing: Temple --> Barracks
Eboracum: Knight --> Knight
Ratae Coritanorum: Knight --> Knight
New Camulodorum: Barracks --> Knight

340AD (9): Advance on Kazan, which has fallen to size 6.

IT:

New Richborough: Barracks --> Knight

350AD (10): The attack on Kazan miserably fails. Sorry. Oh, and by the way, please kill those damned Japanese for me... They flipped Lugdunum!

 

[leif erikson]

Good progress Tomoyo!!

Unfortunately, I can not play until Thursday at the earliest. I would hate to screw up because I tried to rush through to keep it moving. Perhaps it is best to request a skip or trade turns with someone. So, if you've returned all tanned and relaxed WillowBrook, please go ahead. Or Gator, if you have the time right now.

Sorry, its killin' me.

 

[AlanH]

Good work Tomoyo. Lugdomum is ours really, the Japanese are just borrowing it, along with our saltpeter, Kyoto, and several other cities their side of the water

leif is out until Thurday and Willowbrook said she's not back until Friday 4th. So to keep the game in play the lights flash, the wheel of fortune spins, and the pointy bit lurches to a juddering halt over Gator's name, with Gyathaar lurking in the wings.

Gyathaar - On deck
AlanH
Tomoyo - just played
leif erikson - skipped - out until Thursday
WillowBrook - skipped - in Italy until Friday
DJMGator13 UP

 

[AlanH]

Aaaarrrgh! Traded in my old jalopy for my beautiful new wheels to day. But the venerable old lady had the last laugh. She stalled crossing a major road. I jumped out and tried to push her out of the traffic flow and trashed my right achilles tendon. I have an exquisite new car, and the foot I usually use for the loud pedal is in plaster for at least two months

 

[Mistfit]

Ohhh dang that's a painful one! I guess you'll just have to learn to tromp on the accelerator cross-footed.

 

[AlanH]

I think I could be thrown into a jail cell with no key if I had an accident while driving cross-legged

 

[DJMGator13]

Sorry to hear about the pedal problem. That just means you'll be parked in front of the Mac instead of the Jag.

I guess this is a got it. With 2 skips that came back fast. I just finished my Gator01 set, so I should be be able to play tomorrow or Wednesday.

 

[leif erikson]

Aaaarrrgh! Traded in my old jalopy for my beautiful new wheels to day. But the venerable old lady had the last laugh. She stalled crossing a major road. I jumped out and tried to push her out of the traffic flow and trashed my right achilles tendon. I have an exquisite new car, and the foot I usually use for the loud pedal is in plaster for at least two months

Ouch!! That is a double whammy! I think I saw a driving simulation that included a Jag, for practice you know, but it was for a PeeCee...

Wish you well during your recovery.

Please take care not to hurt your elbow when using the mouse, that would be too great a loss.

Oh, and good luck Gator!!

 

[Capt Buttkick]

Aaaarrrgh! Traded in my old jalopy for my beautiful new wheels to day. But the venerable old lady had the last laugh. She stalled crossing a major road. I jumped out and tried to push her out of the traffic flow and trashed my right achilles tendon. I have an exquisite new car, and the foot I usually use for the loud pedal is in plaster for at least two months

Man, that's unfortunate! I feel for you. I'd be if I had to park a brand new Jag for two months because of such a mishap.
Alanis Morisette somehow comes to mind: "Isn't it ironic?"

 

[DJMGator13]

Summary - MON down to 1 city, I've added or gained 14 cities and we have troops on the way to Japan

preturn 350AD
turn on animations
Wow, I'm surprised that Lugdunum flipped, I was thinking it was one of our tundra cities not an original core city.
See that JPN has musket in the flipped city
We are average or strong to MON, JPN, IND and IRQ who are all our neighbors (that is good, sounds like a nice roadmap for our armies)

MON have 9 cities, only 1 is size 1 and that is on the island
advance 3 more knights up to Kazan

IBT - lot of multination galley moves / MON loses a LB attacking our knight / FRA building Shakespeare
Richborough knight => settler
Verulamium knight => knight
Monguntiacum settler => worker

Turn 1 - 360AD
use a MON worker to build colony on the incense that was not hooked up

Kazan
vKnight vrs ePike - take cat shot and die flawlessly
call off attack and move 4 more units to the mt to attack next turn

IBT - more galley moves / no counter from MON
Mohacs knight => settler
Cataractonium market => barracks
Curovernum barracks => LB
Durocortorum galley => galley
New Entremont barracks => LB

Turn 2 - 370AD
Kazan
vKnight vrs ePike - deflect cat shot, redline and win
vKnight vrs ePike - redline and retreat, inflict 0
eSword vrs ePike - redline and retreat, inflict 1hp
eKnight vrs vPike - redline and win
eKnight vrs 4/5 ePike - win down 3hp and capture city with barracks, 2 workers and a cat

found New Eboracum

IBT - more galley moves / MON LB retreats one of our knights / several more civs learn ASTRON / FRA settles on the island east of Xinjian (I had a settler waiting for a galley to head there)
Shanghai settler => settler
Tatong worker => worker
Ningpo temple => worker
Lezoux barracks => LB

Turn 3 - 380AD
Trade IRQ ECON and CHEM for ASTRON, WMap and 72gold
sell world map around the horn
found New Burdigala
take out 2 lone LBs

Erdenet (MON)
vKnight vrs vSpear - we win and promo to elite
eSword vrs rSpear - we win down 1hp and capture city

IBT - MON wish to speak, they'll give us 2 cities for peace but they have no techs for us - no deal
New Lugdunum temple => barracks
New Verulamium barracks => LB

Turn 4 - 390AD
Baruun-Urt dropped to size 1, it's a hill city inside a ring of mts and I already have 8 units there so I attack and autoraze it, capture a worker
move troops towards other MON cities / kill 2 loose LBs

IBT - more galleys moves / AMR & JPN sign peace / AMR building Copernicus
Kazan riots
Qingdao knight => settler
Gergovia, Isca, Segusio worker => worker
Noviomagus temple => caravel
New Mohacs temple => barracks

Turn 5 - 400AD
Almarikh
vKnight vrs vPike - deflect cat shot, redline, retreat, inflict 2hp
vKnight vrs rPike - we win down 2hp
eKnight vrs 2/4 vPike - we win and capture city with cat and barracks

kill an open LB

IBT - FRA caravel followed by a galley next to Cataractonium (maybe headed for JPN but could be us) / BAB building Smiths / BAB, CART and FRA have PHYSICS
Entremont, Camulodunum, Tolosa knight => knight
Guangzhou caravel => caravel
Nanjing barracks => LB
Mohacs settler => settler
Richborough settler => settler
Cataractonium barracks => knight
Lindum barracks => caravel
Ningpo worker => worker

Turn 6 - 410AD
Ta-Tu
vKnight vrs rPike - dodge LB shot, then die flawlessly, pike promos
vKnight vrs vPike - we win flawlessly
eSword vrs rSpear - we redline, retreat, inflict 1hp
eSword vrs 2/3 rSpear - we win flawlessly
eKnight vrs rLB - we win and capture city with aqueduct and 3 workers

even though I'm in position to attack, I make peace with MON for their 3 non-capital cities and their Wmap
we can take out the last city at our leisure

IBT - I see several CART LB's moving / MON demands we leave, I almost say no but I agree for now - then 5 defensive units come out of the city / CHN and JPN sign peace / FRA caravel headed to JPN - couldn't tell if they unloaded / NAV and METAL are now known by several civs
Qianqin caravel => worker
Rutupiae harbor => cath
add IND to the top of the hit list after Axima (size 3) flips to India, who is not that far ahead of us in culture - and it magically has a Jumbo in it - looks like we go for IND saltpeter
New Augustodurium temple => worker

Turn 7 - 420AD
found New Cataractonium in place of the MON valley city
buy PHYSICS from FRA for Wmap and 1440gold
buy METAL and Wmap from IND for PHYSICS
buy NAV and Wmap from VIK for PHYSICS
we are back at tech parity except for DEM which we can't use

set research to MT in 15 turns at 70% and +19gpt - we still have 1432gold in our treasury also

block off the 5 MON spears and pikes

IBT - all 5 MON units head back into the city - need to remember that there are at least 6 units in there when we go to attack later / AMR building Smiths
Qingdao settler => knight
Xinjian worker => temple
Augustodurim, Agedincum, Ratae Coritanorum knight => knight

Turn 8 - 430AD
the Vikings have claimed the 1 tile desert island as I try to land a settler there - oh well
FRA caravel has the narrow strait by Satsuma (JPN) blocked - I can't sail past it
position troops & heal some others

IBT - CART ask me to leave, I agree (I'm trying to get a sword to one of the MON cities we got in the peace deal) / JPN ask our empty caravel to leave, I agree for now / BAB and JPN sign peace / FRA caravel moves south thru the strait still not sure where it is going
Shanghai settler => barracks
Verulamium knight => knight
Xi'an caravel => harbor
New Lugdunum barracks => cathedral (not connected so no knight)

Turn 9 - 440AD
reposition troops
move a few settlers

IBT - IND asks us to move our empty caravel, I agree, but remind him that he has only a short time to peacefully return our city / CART demands that our sword move, he should be automoved closer to where I want him / JPN request an audience, trade Tmaps / FRA learns TOG
Glanum knight => temple

Turn 10 - 450AD
found Gator's Point across the strait as a landing point for troops to move on Japan
found Willowbrook by a nice stream and some forest
found Resort Gyathaar on a nice grassland bend in the river with a wonderful ocean view as well as a scenic mountain view
found Tomoyo Island a jungle recluse featuring a wonderful dye industry
found Leif's Hideaway with a nice view of ocean and mountain view
sorry Alan your settler is on a caravel crossing over to Gator's Point

Notes to next player
1) we are currently not at war with anyone
2) I've stationed all the MON assault troops near the CART border and have started to amass troops for a JPN invasion
3) look at my builds, I only have a few settlers in production we may want to change that - I stayed with the knight build because we are close to MT and cavs and I wanted to have a large number of them on hand. I also have started some LBs strictly for MP duty.
4) Most 1spt cities are either building temples or workers if they already have a temple, a few are building harbors for food first
5) Should probably be a peaceful turnset as we continue to gear up to assault either Japan or India
6) we could cut the research time from 12 turn to 10 turns if we run a slight negative (-6gpt), our treasury is at 1485 and we only have 23 knights currently

450AD Save