Shot in cold blood: Sonya Massey

[Farm Boy]

I don't think he'll last that long.

 

[Lexicus]

1st degree murder charges are in order.

I mean, I don't think this was a planned murder. There should be some other kind of aggravation for a murder charge when a cop does it under color of law though.

 

[Farm Boy]

Premeditation doesn't require a plan past - I'm killing this woman with this gun on my hip because she's weird. And no, I'm not gonna waste my med stuff.

The other one probably deserves a somewhat lesser murder charge, or did he not shoot?

720 ILCS 5/9-1

 

[Lexicus]

The other one probably deserves a somewhat lesser murder charge, or did he not shoot?

I don't think he fired any shots, but it raises some interesting questions. Do cops have a duty to use lethal force to stop their fellow cops from murdering someone?

 

[Core Imposter]

Even if you could prove demonic possession and action, the demon has to be convicted and sentenced right?

I don't think I understand how this comports with premeditation, and I will stand by to be instructed.

 

[Farm Boy]

I don't think he fired any shots, but it raises some interesting questions. Do cops have a duty to use lethal force to stop their fellow cops from murdering someone?

Well, it's probably not murder then. He pointed tho? So probably some form of assault unless statute protects him from that due to line of work. It'd be ironic if he gets bumped up with felony murder(equivalent to 1st degree(minor assaults arent felonies, but you need to aggravate assaults with a deadly weapon)), but it's hard to argue his shotless assault was the felony which led to the murder.

 

[Core Imposter]

I don't think he fired any shots, but it raises some interesting questions. Do cops have a duty to use lethal force to stop their fellow cops from murdering someone?

Never heard of it happening.

 

[Core Imposter]

I fear the first-degree charge might be intentional overcharging to help get the guy a lesser sentence.

 

[Core Imposter]

Sean Grayson, the former Sangamon County sheriff's deputy charged with killing 36-year-old Sonya Massey, was cited over "extreme and repeated mental cruelty" without cause or provocation as his wife dissolved their marriage almost a decade ago, documents obtained by Newsweek show.

Cop charged in Sonya Massey's murder cited for "extreme" cruelty in divorce

Sean Grayson, who was charged with killing Illinois mother Sonya Massey, got divorced almost 10 years ago.

www.newsweek.com

Believable.

 

[Farm Boy]

They don't just charge just the first degree. They'll let a jury lace you up and down the book.

 

[Core Imposter]

After giving it some thought, I have no ideas on fixing this.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I can only imagine she was teasing with joke or chiding them with displeasure, but one cop took it to mean she was threatening to throw boiling water at him?

Since when do people in an at-risk demographic ever tease a cop?

I guess that cop never dealt with boiling water? You don't just turn the burner off. You move the pot off the burner so the water cools. And you don't just drop a pot of hot water. EVER.


As for "rebuke you in the name of Jesus"... she shouldn't have said that. It can be a trigger word for some people.

 

[Moriarte]

As for "rebuke you in the name of Jesus"... she shouldn't have said that. It can be a trigger word for some people.

Shouldn't have said that to the acolyte of the church of satan?

Still trying to understand what could have triggered such an immediate vicious response. Mental illness? Mind altering drugs? Desire to kill?

The shooter with camera seems to have Nordic runes all across his hands.

Mentions God a lot, likely religious.

Then the cop moves away from Sonya, right after she picks up the pot from the stove. Which seems to me a rather excessive overreaction, given that there was no danger in the room for two armed 6 foot guys from the little lady with little hot water.

And then he (they?) take the joke the wrong way. He is clearly surprised by the joke, there is "Huh?" from him, so something within that sentence triggers him, be it "rebuke" or "Jesus". Notice the other cop holds his right hand on top of his gun, while Sonya walks from the stove in the "ready, ready" position, raises the gun within the millisecond of escalation. Without turning his head away from Sonya.

There was no need to carry that pot away from the stove, could have just flicked the gas switch back to 0 and deal with the rest of it when the cops are gone. But, she was probably operating in a familiar pattern by taking the pot from the stove towards the sink, without thinking, automatically.

It is a very strange sequence. One has to work hard to stay alive in presence of cops in America.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

If you want water to stop boiling, and the goal is safety, you not only turn off the heat, but you take the container of water off the heat source. You put it somewhere safe. If the cops had let her do that, she'd still be alive.

Well, maybe.

 

[Moriarte]

You move the pot off the burner so the water cools.

It is a gas stove. You don't need to remove the pot to cool it, like you need with electric ones.

I'd say she wasn't aiming to cool water, but was pouring it out in the sink after boiling something in it.

That makes me think it wasn't the danger of being washed in boiling water that triggered the cops.

It's the words that mattered, in some twisted way.

As for "rebuke you in the name of Jesus"... she shouldn't have said that. It can be a trigger word for some people.

Why do you find the phrase trigger-worthy? Genuinely trying to understand. Looks to me like a little joke sensing the need to defuse the situation. Can the phrase be offensive to a religious person?

 

[Gorbles]

And even if it was, is any fault on her for saying it? She was under duress.

 

[r16]

poor cop guy . It could have been a guy with a baseball hat in hand . Or a drunk guy or on drugs where he would surely have a 20mm M-61 cannon in his baggy coat and it would have been "worthwhile" . All he got a woman with boiling water . He got super excited with Jesus , because religious fanatic , even if it would be super cool if he could paint her as a jihadist .

what do these people watch online when at home ? Special youtube channels you can watch 100 people die everyday ? Hope that their own footage will be there one day ?

 

[Moriarte]

And even if it was, is any fault on her for saying it? She was under duress.

It helps to know what sets people off in different cultures. I'd do the same in the situation. Come up with a little joke to let off steam and keep the exchange friendly. I've met cops, who appreciated jokes. It's natural. This one though... sent the danger meter from 0 to 100 in the shortest time span I've seen. Took 3 seconds to turn friendly sounding officers into savages, apparently on account of blasphemy or some other stupidity.

 

[Kyriakos]

It helps to know what sets people off in different cultures. I'd do the same in the situation. Come up with a little joke to let off steam and keep the exchange friendly. I've met cops, who appreciated jokes. It's natural. This one though... sent the danger meter from 0 to 100 in the shortest time span I've seen. Took 3 seconds to turn friendly sounding officers into savages, apparently on account of blasphemy or some other stupidity.

I don't think his lawyer is going to entertain a defense based on religious sensitivity. Or the belief he had a hostile shaman in front of him, for that matter ^^

 

[red_elk]

I'd say she wasn't aiming to cool water, but was pouring it out in the sink after boiling something in it.

That's the most straightforward explanation. She was cooking something, otherwise she would just turn the heat off.

That makes me think it wasn't the danger of being washed in boiling water that triggered the cops.

It's the words that mattered, in some twisted way.

Yes, he asked to repeat what she said and after she did, got crazy.