Should each of the 8 factions represent diverse cultural/linguistic nations?

[Mav12]

Language: American mixed with Spanish

Uh... I'm pretty sure Americans wont invent there own language

 

[BackseatTyrant]

I don't think the 8 sponsors should be strictly bound to certain geographical/political megaclusters. I'd rather see the eight sponsors consist of alliances widespread throughout the map. So you would've for example have a coalition between Scandinavia, Korea and Thailand and another one consisting of Mexico, the Balkans and Ethiopia. Each faction would of course consist of more modern nations each, but you get the idea. If this would go into practice, I'd rather have them be joined by pure chance, or ideologies more complex than simply socialism or fascism or fundamentalism.

 

[GeoModder]

A thought. Perhaps its mostly those alliances/conglomorates that need a new habitat that are leaving. The lower Nile region, New York area, France/Iberian peninsula,... All places that the Great Mistake maybe sufficiently affected but not destroyed to make such a mission impossible.
Nations or regions on Earth NOT participating in this exodus are possibly either relatively unaffected or have become outright uninhabitable.

 

[Guandao]

I don't think the 8 sponsors should be strictly bound to certain geographical/political megaclusters. I'd rather see the eight sponsors consist of alliances widespread throughout the map. So you would've for example have a coalition between Scandinavia, Korea and Thailand and another one consisting of Mexico, the Balkans and Ethiopia. Each faction would of course consist of more modern nations each, but you get the idea. If this would go into practice, I'd rather have them be joined by pure chance, or ideologies more complex than simply socialism or fascism or fundamentalism.

How would they work together? It seems like Mainland Southeast Asia is with China in the Pan-Asian Cooperative, if their leader Daoming Sochua's name is any indication. How would random coalitions be reflected in the traits, units, leader?

 

[Cyon]

Uh... I'm pretty sure Americans wont invent there own language

I meant English mixed with Spanish of course!

I think that the language that the leaders wil speak can be a great way to indirect tell a story about the factions. Mixing words from one language into another to hint cultural and economic influences.

What languages do you think the leaders will speak? Well they speak add we do today or will 2K go linguistically creative? And if the will how?

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[Mustakrakish]

I'll say it once more... I hope they won't talk. I prefer a good static art any day of the week. Easier to mod too.

 

[ToothedBomb]

I'll say it once more... I hope they won't talk. I prefer a good static art any day of the week. Easier to mod too.

I hope they have a mute button. For you, because I wouldn't want to miss those gorgeous leader screens.

I think people are looking too much into this. They will either all speak English, or they will simply speak the language of whatever country they're from. I do like the idea of the voices changing through affinity.

 

[Mustakrakish]

I know there a lot of "you people", but I'll say it anyway... The game is NOT about "gorgeuos" leader screens, it's about gorgeous gameplay. Frankly I'm dissappointed there even ARE leaders, what is the point if there is one per faction? Why can't you play as a faction, and assume the role of the leader yourself?

Meh...

 

[Lord Shadow]

I know there a lot of "you people", but I'll say it anyway... The game is NOT about "gorgeuos" leader screens, it's about gorgeous gameplay. Frankly I'm dissappointed there even ARE leaders, what is the point if there is one per faction? Why can't you play as a faction, and assume the role of the leader yourself?

Meh...

Players have been able to customize the names and adjectives and all of their own civ during game setup since at least Civ2 (maybe even Civ1, can't remember), and info about their leaders since SMAC and Civ3. You barely ever see your own leader in-game, and it's very possible to name them whatever you desire. After yourself, too, if that's what you want.

Leader screens will very likely exist when conducting diplomacy with other factions, as they have since Civ3 and SMAC, to some extent.

 

[ToothedBomb]

The game is NOT about "gorgeuos" leader screens, it's about gorgeous gameplay

Ahh, I see. You're the one who decides what the game is about!
Sorry about that, didn't know who I was talking to.

So, just a question, why was the game ever made in color? Why not spend that time and those resources on better gameplay? Seems like a waste of time to select different colours for the interface and stuff. It's all about the gameplay, and not at all about the presentation, right?

Enough of that nonsense though.
The game is called Civilization. Part of the appeal for me is the historical background of all the Civs, which are showcased in the animated leader screens. I like to see the differences between the Civilizations, apart from the UA and UU. I don't understand why you would want to take that enjoyment away from me. As long as they create an option to tweak things to your liking, I don't see the problem.

You shouldn't dismiss other people's opinions just because you don't agree.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Ahh, I see. You're the one who decides what the game is about!
Sorry about that, didn't know who I was talking to.

I'm allowed to express my opinion, the last time I checked?

You are allowed to disagree by all means.

So, just a question, why was the game ever made in color? Why not spend that time and those resources on better gameplay? Seems like a waste of time to select different colours for the interface and stuff. It's all about the gameplay, and not at all about the presentation, right?

Basic... Surely you can come up with better, than to refer to "cheap overstatement" tactics as I call it.

Enough of that nonsense though.
The game is called Civilization. Part of the appeal for me is the historical background of all the Civs, which are showcased in the animated leader screens. I like to see the differences between the Civilizations, apart from the UA and UU. I don't understand why you would want to take that enjoyment away from me. As long as they create an option to tweak things to your liking, I don't see the problem.

I prefer every unit and architecture showing differences, as well as how they play out, how they act etc. Leader screens are nice and dandy first two times I see them, then in the end they add nothing to differentiate them. Are you honestly watching and listening full animations every time they pop up to you?

Plus it's BE we're talking about, so what kind of historical flavor / background it adds? For me it was fun to see how they recreated those leaders, just a couple of times, but can't really say I see the point in fiction ones, especially if not making them too complicated and voiced makes for easier modding.

You shouldn't dismiss other people's opinions just because you don't agree.

Look in the mirror. You just did the same. You don't agree with me, so you refer to "overstatements", calling this all nonsense and otherwise trying to mock etc.

It is bloody obvious, what I say, is MY opinion.

 

[c2h5oc2h5]

So, just a question, why was the game ever made in color? Why not spend that time and those resources on better gameplay? Seems like a waste of time to select different colours for the interface and stuff. It's all about the gameplay, and not at all about the presentation, right?

No, you made a common misconception about how software development works. UI team is responsible for interface, not for gameplay. If they have resources and intention to make more varying interface, it won't hurt other parts of the game. Even if people are assigned to multiple tasks and don't have fixed teams, I can't see how engaging 2D artists can harm working on gameplay...

Personally I'd love to see UI changing with affinity. It would help immersion greatly IMO!


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[shaglio]

Personally I'd love to see UI changing with affinity. It would help immersion greatly IMO!

That's actually a pretty cool idea. For Harmony, I could see a lush green UI with leafy, curvy lines. For Purity, I could see a monochromatic UI with lots of rigid, straight lines. Unfortunately, I can't think of how they would do Supremacy.

ETA: For Supremacy, maybe some kind of camouflage design.

 

[ToothedBomb]

I'm allowed to express my opinion, the last time I checked?

Sure, you should certainly keep repeating your opinion everytime someone disagrees with you. That really gets a good discussion going.

Look in the mirror. You just did the same.

I did not. I genuinely hope for you that they put in an option to tweak the leader screens to your liking, or to get rid of them entirely. Your outlook is a bit different. You just want things others have expressed to like taken away, because your preferences are more important than those of others. Maybe you don't actually think that way, but that's what your posts convey.

 

[Mustakrakish]

Sure, you should certainly keep repeating your opinion everytime someone disagrees with you. That really gets a good discussion going.

What? Listen pal, you're the one here getting all worked up about it. Are you seriously... I express my opinion, people who disagree, express theirs, this is how it works.

I did not. I genuinely hope for you that they put in an option to tweak the leader screens to your liking, or to get rid of them entirely. Your outlook is a bit different. You just want things others have expressed to like taken away, because your preferences are more important than those of others. Maybe you don't actually think that way, but that's what your posts convey.

Again, what? Let's see... "I know there are a lot of "you people" here, but I say it anyway..."

Here I acknowledged that there are lots of people who indeed prefer leader screens, but choose to express my opinion, to add my view on the topic.

What are you saying? I should keep it shut, because I'm in minority? Sure seems that way...

 

[ptoss1]

Well the Panasian Cooperative's leader is named Dao Ming, so it's pretty much China.

Kind of a disappointment. Not really looking forward to looking at another female Chinese leader.

Give me Fu Manchu and I'll be happy.

 

[GeoModder]

Well the Panasian Cooperative's leader is named Dao Ming, so it's pretty much China.

Maybe Malaysian from Chinese descend?

 

[Monaldinio]

EU (Paris-Berlin axis, clearly Francophone as per the trailer)

Germany would never give the leadership to French for such an important project ...
So why should the dialect be french?
Especially the dominant nation in the EU is Germany.

Or is it about the dislike of others, that they do not like it, when Germany holds a leading position???
21st Century..

 

[iRule]

Double post

 

[iRule]

My guess:
ARC [corporation] - A nacionalist American corporation that want to restore the glory of the USA
PAC [nation league] - Group of countries, including China, Korea, Japan and Southest Asia. I know that this league is impossible today.
Brazilia [nation] - Brazil rises, and a populist government (like Chavez's) comes to power. Because of the tension between the new government and other world powers, Brazil is militarized, and ends up taking a more aggressive diplomacy
Franco-Iberia [nation/league] - This means one thing: The EU ended. Internal disputes could have generated friction and internal conflict, and the union divided into 2 main blocks and some other countries that would not enter the space race, like Italy, Holland and England (!). Don't ask me how France, Portugal and Spain were together...
African Union [Nation], Some African nation grow economically and politically before the Great Mistake, and start an economic league, culminating in the union of these countries. (Somalia and Egypt are some regions that thrive)
Islamic Space Corporation [Corporation] Islamic Intellectual and tycoons begin to see the importance of spreading the word of the Prophet through space.
British-Indian Galactic Colonization Agency [Corporation] I think India and Englandshould be in the game...
Great Empire of Poland [Nation] Poland rises and conquer Germany and Russia (in the winter!). Now they want conquer the space!

This is more or less what I'm thinking. Franco-Iberia means the EU is dead. For long has France, Spain and Portugal talked of a "stronger cohesion" inside the EU itself. Considering the cultural proximity and the historical cooperation (besides Italy during the Second World War - and then again, they never took an overly active role against France - none of these countries have been at war since the Napoleonic Wars) between the Southern states, I could imagine an off-shot of the failed EU. A kind of Southern European Union.

The European Elections, to take place next weekend, are ridden with a North/South rhetoric. Unfortunately a North/South divide is something very tangible in reality, let alone in a videogame set 200 years from now.

Why Italy is not in... well... Italy is the Southern European State that, from its reunification, always aligned itself with Northern Europe (Great War, World War II and, today, while Portuguese-Spanish-French cooperation inside the EU is increasing [even if it's stalled, due to the morons ruling Portugal and Spain as of 2014]), Italy is approaching Germany more and more so).

For PAC, I think (and I hope Firaxis has the balls for that) that is feasible if the Communist Party of China falls and China becomes a Democracy or... something else. But there has to be a common ground for East Asia to join in a single faction.

For Brazil... I'm hinting at an overzealous stance towards its own territory and resources. With the Great Mistake, Brazil's position as one of the major world's food baskets is increased. Amazonia is also subject to great envy by many nations, especially the neighbouring Spanish-speaking countries. Brazil's oil sources also grow in importance with the increasing scarcity for fuel resources AND, maybe, you could throw in Brazil's already leading position in renewable energy uses (I'm thinking, specifically, in the fact that its territory is one of the few in the world capable of supplying profitable bio-fuel).

This leads to an over-militarization of Brazil that, fueled by its resources (in a time of world-wide scarcity) and militarization of its internal affairs (poverty-ridden Nordeste - especially afflicted by global warming and famine - tries to secede or is afflicted by mass unrest, the Southern megalopolis [São Paulo, Rio de Janeiro] poor classes rebel due to the increased hardships brought by the Great Mistak, with São Paulo and other cities being subject to Martial Law), becomes a breeding ground for Brazilian expansionism into also resource rich (Venezuela, Bolivia, Argentina, Chile) Spanish-speaking America under an authoritarian leader, justifying that intrusion with an updated Monroe Doctrine speech.