Should gay couples be able to (adopt/have kids)

[Rik Meleet]

No way, only certified heterosexuals with a good track-record, proper education, high enough wages and the correct religion should be able to adopt children. And they should also be the only ones allowed to have children of their own.
And only after they get married.

 

[Abaddon]

would save overpopulation

 

[MobBoss]

why should straight couples have a priority to adopting kids? considering that far fewer gays get divorced than straights, kids in gay couples are less likely to not suffer the heartbreak of divorce between their parents.

I couldnt agree with El_Machinea and Curt more.

Because no matter what you think/believe.....religion or nature or whatever.....the bottom line is a husband and wife is the norm of having and raising a kid and should always be the best choice scenario.

By the way...there are not really any stats on Gay divorce in the USA as there really isnt gay marriage now is there? Hard to get a divorce if your not really married I would think.

 

[Whomp]

No way, only certified heterosexuals with a good track-record, proper education, high enough wages and the correct religion should be able to adopt children. And they should also be the only ones allowed to have children of their own.
And only after they get married.

You and I are going to need to have a good talk in London Rik. That is one biased view Mister. What's the difference? The couple I know are both have their masters, have a great track record and one parent stays at home because the other makes a phenomenal living to support the lifestyle.

 

[Rik Meleet]

You and I are going to need to have a good talk in London Rik. That is one biased view Mister. What's the difference? The couple I know are both have their masters, have a great track record and one parent stays at home because the other makes a phenomenal living to support the lifestyle.

Sarcasm, my dear Whomp.
Check where my name is; with the "yes" or the "no".

 

[Mathilda]

I hope you weren't trolling Rik

To the question: Yes of course they should be allowed and luckily in many places they are.

 

[RoboPig]

Because no matter what you think/believe.....religion or nature or whatever.....the bottom line is a husband and wife is the norm of having and raising a kid and should always be the best choice scenario.

By the way...there are not really any stats on Gay divorce in the USA as there really isnt gay marriage now is there? Hard to get a divorce if your not really married I would think.

there is gay marriage, you can see ads announcing gay marriages in the newspaper all the time. and why should a straight couple be a best choice scenario. even if the straight couple were drunk, abusive, yelled at the kid and used foul language in front o f him/her would you give it to them rather than a nice, dependable gay couple?

 

[Little Raven]

By the way...there are not really any stats on Gay divorce in the USA as there really isnt gay marriage now is there? Hard to get a divorce if your not really married I would think.

There's certainly gay marriage now, if only in Massachusetts. Civil unions in Vermont, I believe. But I agree that it's too recent a phenomenon to draw any relevant statistics out of.

But I seriously doubt gays can be any worse at marriage than straights are.

 

[MobBoss]

there is gay marriage, you can see ads announcing gay marriages in the newspaper all the time. and why should a straight couple be a best choice scenario. even if the straight couple were drunk, abusive, yelled at the kid and used foul language in front o f him/her would you give it to them rather than a nice, dependable gay couple?

Robopig you are sooo silly. Do you not think gays can also be drunk, abusive, and yell at kids and use foul language? Please. I am not talking exceptions to the rule here..I am talking in general. And in general, its better for a kid to be with a mom and dad than two daddys or two mommys if, for the very least, developmental reasons. If its any conselation to you, I feel that a child is better served to be adopted by a gay couple than to not be adopted at all and left in an orphanage.

And yes, Robopig and LittleRaven I know about Massachusetts allowing gay marriages, but I have seen many, many more states vote it down. It is the exception rather than the norm, and as you state, there isnt going to be any data on gay divorce anytime soon.

But I seriously doubt gays can be any worse at marriage than straights are.

I seriously doubt they could be any better either. Like I said, all things being equal, its still better IN GENERAL for a child to be in a household with a mom and dad, instead of otherwise.

 

[Stapel]

No way, only certified heterosexuals with a good track-record, proper education, high enough wages and the correct religion should be able to adopt children. And they should also be the only ones allowed to have children of their own.
And only after they get married.

All hail The Pink Invisible Teacup, and Its only earth-born son, Ick Mylarse!

 

[Bill3000]

All hail The Pink Invisible Teacup, and Its only earth-born son, Ick Mylarse!

Hail, sarcasm.

 

[Stapel]

Hail, sarcasm.

Unless you understand Dutch, you can't possibly understand the hidden message in that English post .

 

[RoboPig]

Robopig you are sooo silly. Do you not think gays can also be drunk, abusive, and yell at kids and use foul language? Please. I am not talking exceptions to the rule here..I am talking in general. And in general, its better for a kid to be with a mom and dad than two daddys or two mommys if, for the very least, developmental reasons. If its any conselation to you, I feel that a child is better served to be adopted by a gay couple than to not be adopted at all and left in an orphanage.

And yes, Robopig and LittleRaven I know about Massachusetts allowing gay marriages, but I have seen many, many more states vote it down. It is the exception rather than the norm, and as you state, there isnt going to be any data on gay divorce anytime soon.



I seriously doubt they could be any better either. Like I said, all things being equal, its still better IN GENERAL for a child to be in a household with a mom and dad, instead of otherwise.

i didnt say that they cant. the question clearly states, if the straight couple were the above said things and if the gay couple were nic, charming, financially stable, would you still let the kid be adopted by the straights. SO basically:

Badly, abusive, unreliable straight couple that works at McDonalds
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OR
reliable, charming, understanding, caring gay couple that have jobs to financially support the child​

nowhere did i say that gays cant have the straight couple traits. this is a what if to see how extreme your position is.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Because no matter what you think/believe.....religion or nature or whatever.....the bottom line is a husband and wife is the norm of having and raising a kid and should always be the best choice scenario.
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More or less, I agree. It is important and proven that children need both mother and father figures in order to have the best upbringing. Many children with a lack of either often become rebellious and dysfunctional (beyond the norm) at a very early age and can develop psychological problems.

 

[MobBoss]

i didnt say that they cant. the question clearly states, if the straight couple were the above said things and if the gay couple were nic, charming, financially stable, would you still let the kid be adopted by the straights.

Robopig, we cant deal in "ifs" and "buts" here bub..thats why they have adoption agencies to weed out people with bad behaviour so that kids dont go to bad homes - straight or gay regardless.

Badly, abusive, unreliable straight couple that works at McDonalds
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OR
reliable, charming, understanding, caring gay couple that have jobs to financially support the child​

nowhere did i say that gays cant have the straight couple traits. this is a what if to see how extreme your position is.

Uh....man...you really need some help you really do. I would assume an adoption agency wouldnt let "bad abusive, unreliable couples working at McDonalds" adopt a kid REGARDLESS of whether they are gay or straight? Are all the straigt couples you know like that? Of course not. And by the way, its not straight or gay traits....they are human traits regardless of their sexuality. ITs totally LOGICAL and REASONABLE to think that since it takes a MAN and a WOMAN to make CHILD that mother nature/god/buddah whatever is out there, would prefer a MAN and a WOMAN to raise the CHILD. BUT, in the absence of a good man and woman couple to adopt a kid, surely it is better for a kid to go to a gay couple than to be raised by the state.

Not that difficult to understand....

 

[RoboPig]

Robopig, we cant deal in "ifs" and "buts" here bub..thats why they have adoption agencies to weed out people with bad behaviour so that kids dont go to bad homes - straight or gay regardless.



Uh....man...you really need some help you really do. I would assume an adoption agency wouldnt let "bad abusive, unreliable couples working at McDonalds" adopt a kid REGARDLESS of whether they are gay or straight? Are all the straigt couples you know like that? Of course not. And by the way, its not straight or gay traits....they are human traits regardless of their sexuality. ITs totally LOGICAL and REASONABLE to think that since it takes a MAN and a WOMAN to make CHILD that mother nature/god/buddah whatever is out there, would prefer a MAN and a WOMAN to raise the CHILD. BUT, in the absence of a good man and woman couple to adopt a kid, surely it is better for a kid to go to a gay couple than to be raised by the state.

Not that difficult to understand....

when i said gay and straight traits, i was reffering to the couples listed in the example. you failed to see the point of the question the first time round. now you get it. and again, i did not say that all straight couples were like that! gosh! why the crap would you think all straight couples were like that?! the characteristics were in those 2 couples. not in all couples of their exual preference.

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[logical_psycho]

I say no to gay couples adopting children. Call me harsh, I don't know what schools you went to.... but at my old highschool you wouldn't have a life anymore if people found out that your parents are gay. At my school I already got made fun of because my parents didn't own a car, imagine how bad it would have been if my parents would have 2 guys.


It isn't like I don't think a gay couple can't raise a kid properly, it is simply something that shouldn't be done for the sake of the kid, but because it isn't socially accepted by a lot of people. The kid might feel embarrassed once reaching a certain age and finding out that his parents aren't like regular parents. The fact that he's both adopted and having gay parents might be too much.


Of course I might be wrong in what I think, but that's my view.



Though when no suitable straight couple can be found to place a child who would otherwise be in a horrible situation would make it ok to me, but straight couples with a good record should get priority in my opinion. And I'm in no way homophobic.

 

[RoboPig]

I say no to gay couples adopting children. Call me harsh, I don't know what schools you went to.... but at my old highschool you wouldn't have a life anymore if people found out that your parents are gay. At my school I already got made fun of because my parents didn't own a car, imagine how bad it would have been if my parents would have 2 guys.


It isn't like I don't think a gay couple can't raise a kid properly, it is simply something that shouldn't be done for the sake of the kid, but because it isn't socially accepted by a lot of people. The kid might feel embarrassed once reaching a certain age and finding out that his parents aren't like regular parents. The fact that he's both adopted and having gay parents might be too much.


Of course I might be wrong in what I think, but that's my view.

as El_Machinea pointed out before, who is at fault. the gays or the people who allow their kids to bully others because of their parents. instead of stopping gays from adopting kids why dont we cane bullies instead? the louts deserve it and it works.

 

[logical_psycho]

as El_Machinea pointed out before, who is at fault. the gays or the people who allow their kids to bully others because of their parents. instead of stopping gays from adopting kids why dont we cane bullies instead? the louts deserve it and it works.

Bullying happens no matter how strict a school is, my school was strict. Until homosexuality is completely accepted in society I think letting gay couples adopt children isn't a good idea. Since a lot of religions are against homosexuality I don't see that happening for a long time.

 

[sysyphus]

Bullying happens no matter how strict a school is, my school was strict. Until homosexuality is completely accepted in society I think letting gay couples adopt children isn't a good idea. Since a lot of religions are against homosexuality I don't see that happening for a long time.

Pandering to bullies is a path to nowhere.