Should India have a Hindu "Law of Return" ?

[aneeshm]

Israel has a law of return , to the effect that any Jew , anywhere in the world , can , if he so wish , return to Israel . Should India , the world's only culturally Hindu state , have a similar law ? I speak this because Hindus are treated horribly in Muslim countries like Pakistan and Bangladesh , where they were once a sizeable percentage of the population , but whose number is now steadily decreasing due to organised state oppression against them , and pogroms where many Hindus were killed , such as the one that followed the Babri Masjid demolition , or that followed the Bombay blast riots .


I ask again - should India , the only state where Hindus can find a natural home , and also enjoy the benefits of a liberal democracy and fundamental human rights , have a Law of Return ?

 

[GoldEagle]

Sure, why not.

 

[IglooDame]

Sounds good to me.

 

[jamiethearcher]

India is overpopulated as it is - I have never been there, but my impression is that it doesnt have the space for people returning.

 

[Samson]

I am not sure what you are saying. Are you saying that anyone who converts to hinduism can come to India? That would be an easy way to get duel citizen ship. There are a fair few Hari Krishnas (sp?) here.

 

[HannibalBarka]

Don't know if a dalit would really want to go to India where he would be considered a third class citizen. Maybe muslims in India should leave India where they are very often persecuted by hindu extremists. An exchange of population like in 48?

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

It sounds like a good idea, save for the fact of India's class system that Hannibal mentioned. They'd be on the bottom again, so I'm sure they'd rather come to America or another western nation that practices freedom of religion

 

[silver 2039]

Don't know if a dalit would really want to go to India where he would be considered a third class citizen. Maybe muslims in India should leave India where they are very often persecuted by hindu extremists. An exchange of population like in 48?

People can go and please as they wish. This seems unesscary to me. And Hindu extremists are limited in amount they they have the unfourtnate practice of grabbing headlines.

Furthermore the caste system is banned and India is a democracy with Rule of Law. What makes you assume that all Hindus outside India are low caste anyway? Many in the US and Europe are Brahmin driven out by the quota system...

 

[Gr3yL3gion]

Depends, heard from my Indian side of my family that they were treated poorly when they were india.

In addition to the Hindu caste system, like post #7 said.

 

[aneeshm]

Don't know if a dalit would really want to go to India where he would be considered a third class citizen. Maybe muslims in India should leave India where they are very often persecuted by hindu extremists. An exchange of population like in 48?

Why do you insist on defiling and polluting ( there is no other word for it - you are , from the point of view of a thread's health , unclean ) perfectly good threads of mine with your presence , and with the same stupid trollish comments ?

1) All citizens of India are totally equal under the law , so what you just said amounts to a malicious lie - but expecting better is an exercise in futility , considering your past posting history , and from the attitudes you have till now displayed . Even the so-called orthodox Hindu organisation , the VHP ( Vishwa Hindu Parishad ) , totally rejects the caste system . Why asinine assertions about the illegal caste system are still bandied about is beyond me .

And you have said these same things in a provocative manner in the past , on multiple occasions , when they had no reference to the topic whatsoever ( such as in this case ) . Do you get some pleasure out of defaming others ? Some wierd kick ? Is this some fetish of yours ?

2) Muslims are not a persecuted minority . In fact , the laws of the land are actually biased in their favour , because of their minority status . They are allowed to have their own laws when it comes to personal law . They are given a subsidy for the Haj pilgrimage , the money for which comes , atrociously enough , from taxes on Hindu temples . In the state of Kashmir , no citizen of India who is not from Kashmir may purchase property . This was done to stop the state from being swamped with Hindus , and because the Muslims were afraid that they would be so swamped .

But I am veering off-topic . I thought it best to nail idiotic lies before proceeding . The next person to go off-topic on this tangent gets reported .

 

[betazed]

[snip] the only state where Hindus can find a natural home [/snip]

Are you sure many Hindus will agree with this?

I would like to think Hindus have a natural home everywhere because their religion is so mild in nature and put almost zero constraints on their lives. So before you ask "Should India have a Hindu law of return?" why not ask "Do Hindus need India to have a law of return?"

 

[HannibalBarka]

Why do you insist on defiling and polluting ( there is no other word for it - you are , from the point of view of a thread's health , unclean ) perfectly good threads of mine with your presence , and with the same stupid trollish comments ?

Me unclean? Me got a shower this morning
Or maybe you are using unclean as Dalit and untouchable ? Well I am not hindu, so I don't know if I may be Dalit without being hindu, maybe you can tell me, you are the Hinduism Expert. Any how, I'll ask my dad and mom about whether we do have any kind of connection to India and if we have any Dalit ancestor

1) All citizens of India are totally equal under the law , so what you just said amounts to a malicious lie - but expecting better is an exercise in futility , considering your past posting history , and from the attitudes you have till now displayed .
Even the so-called orthodox Hindu organisation , the VHP ( Vishwa Hindu Parishad ) , totally rejects the caste system . Why asinine assertions about the illegal caste system are still bandied about is beyond me .
And you have said these same things in a provocative manner in the past , on multiple occasions , when they had no reference to the topic whatsoever ( such as in this case ) . Do you get some pleasure out of defaming others ? Some wierd kick ? Is this some fetish of yours ?

OK, so now I invented the Dalit problem in India, is that what you're saying?
I know you think of me as being the man behind all social problems you do have in India, but I assure you, the Dalit problem is not my creation
And although I am a fetichist (sp??), it has more to do with clothes than about defaming others. But I can't tell you more on that, cause you are too young and cause it is against the forum's rules

2) Muslims are not a persecuted minority . In fact , the laws of the land are actually biased in their favour , because of their minority status . They are allowed to have their own laws when it comes to personal law . They are given a subsidy for the Haj pilgrimage , the money for which comes , atrociously enough , from taxes on Hindu temples . In the state of Kashmir , no citizen of India who is not from Kashmir may purchase property . This was done to stop the state from being swamped with Hindus , and because the Muslims were afraid that they would be so swamped .

You don't really seem to have much sympathy with your fellow muslim countrymen, is that because you are Hindu? and it seems that Kashmiri do have issues with Hindus? So not only India has its social problems due to the cast systme, but also it seems to have a lot of tensions between the different religious groups.

But I am veering off-topic.

I see that

The next person to go off-topic on this tangent gets reported .

OK, I am gonna be nice and not report you for going off topic. But that is my last warning

 

[Elrohir]

If India really wants more people, then sure. I don't have a problem with it, but then, it doesn't really affect me at all.

 

[aneeshm]

Me unclean? Me got a shower this morning
Or maybe you are using unclean as Dalit and untouchable ? Well I am not hindu, so I don't know if I may be Dalit without being hindu, maybe you can tell me, you are the Hinduism Expert. Any how, I'll ask my dad and mom about whether we do have any kind of connection to India and if we have any Dalit ancestor

It is unhygienic for threads to be infested with you - that is what I meant . And again you bring up the Dalit motif . What does your being bad for the health of a thread have to do with Dalits ( whom I prefer to call Harijans ) ?

OK, so now I invented the Dalit problem in India, is that what you're saying?
I know you think of me as being the man behind all social problems you do have in India, but I assure you, the Dalit problem is not my creation

I am saying that the Harijan situation has nothing to do with the topic under discussion - which is apparently something you are unable to grasp .

And although I am a fetichist (sp??), it has more to do with clothes than about defaming others. But I can't tell you more on that, cause you are too young and cause it is against the forum's rules

I'd rather not discuss your fetishes here . Maybe you did not understand the use of the word fetish in the context I used it ? I'll let the comment on my age pass , because your piss-poor grammar indicates a difference in mental age between you and I , in my favour .

You don't really seem to have much sympathy with your fellow muslim countrymen, is that because you are Hindu?

I don't have much sympathy with fundamentalist Muslim leaders who somehow seem to get all the Muslims' votes . And being a Hindu has nothing to do with that - it comes from being sane .

and it seems that Kashmiri do have issues with Hindus?

Yes , Kashmiri Muslims have problems with the local Hindus . So they ( the Muslims ) drove out and killed almost all the Hindus in Kashmir , and the rest live in fear of their lives . Kashmiri Hindus are living in refugee camps - in their own country ! Just recently , Hindus were massacred in Doda . This is the fourth time that has happened - in Doda alone !

So not only India has its social problems due to the cast systme, but also it seems to have a lot of tensions between the different religious groups.

Firstly - there are no caste tensions , as far as I can tell from the news . Maybe you , living outside India , can tell me , an Indian resident , what is happening in my own coutnry ? The religious tensions are inevitable consequence of two things - the history of India , and the bahaviour of Muslim leaders .

 

[Godwynn]

Is there some sort of rule that hindus cannot come back to India?

 

[aneeshm]

Are you sure many Hindus will agree with this?

I would like to think Hindus have a natural home everywhere because their religion is so mild in nature and put almost zero constraints on their lives. So before you ask "Should India have a Hindu law of return?" why not ask "Do Hindus need India to have a law of return?"

Let me put it this way - no country ( except maybe Saudi Arabia or some other equally ******** fundie state ) cannot me made a home of the Hindus , but only one country ( or subcontinent ) is shaped by their culture .

 

[aneeshm]

Is there some sort of rule that hindus cannot come back to India?

No , there is no such law . In fact , the process of immigration is very easy for a person of Indian origin wishing to come back to India .

 

[Godwynn]

No , there is no such law . In fact , the process of immigration is very easy for a person of Indian origin wishing to come back to India .

Isn't it just a waste then? I really don't know Indian Culture or Hinduism, or if they are shunned for leaving India.

 

[HannibalBarka]

bla bla bla
Firstly - there are no caste tensions , as far as I can tell from the news . Maybe you , living outside India , can tell me , an Indian resident , what is happening in my own coutnry ? bla bla bla.

You really need to go out from time to time honey

OK, google Dalit and you'll find zillions of links about their problems in India,

http://www.dalitnetwork.org/go?/dfn/index

http://www.dalithumanrights.org/about.php

etc etc etc

 

[Oruc]

stop making this thread unclean!!