Should Lusatia be an independent country? The forum poll

[Phrossack]

Of course it should be independent! This way, we wouldn't have to declare war on Germany when we start reuniting Lands of Bohemian Crown.

Wasn't Bohemia a kingdom within the Heiliges Römisches Reich?

 

[Domen]

From wiki:

The Holy Roman Empire was a multi-ethnic and complex union of territories (...) it included the Kingdom of Germany, the Kingdom of Bohemia, the Kingdom of Italy, and the Kingdom of Burgundy.[7][8] The Holy Roman Empire never achieved the extent of political unification formed in France, evolving instead into a decentralized, limited elective monarchy composed of hundreds of smaller sub-units, principalities, duchies, counties, Free Imperial Cities, and other domains.[9][10] The power of the emperor was limited, and while the various princes, lords and kings of the Empire were vassals and subjects who owed the emperor their allegiance, they also possessed an extent of privileges that gave them de facto sovereignty within their territories. The last Holy Roman Emperor was Francis II, who abdicated and dissolved the Empire in 1806 (...)

 

[Tahuti]

Wasn't Bohemia a kingdom within the Heiliges Römisches Reich?

Make Bohemia the Emperor. Problem solved.

 

[Leoreth]

No, as we have learnt from Domen, the Czechs could provide the Emperor but would still be discriminated because they are the minority. Bohemia must declare independence from the HRE.

 

[bhsup]

I swear, it is threads like this that make me thank God I don't live in Europe. No offense, guys, but who cares about your ethnicity? Why should that give you some rights to some special autonomous region?

Yes yes, I know, we still have some indian reservations, so my post -is- a bit hypocritical. That said, I hate the idea of reservations. They should be abolished and the populations forced to just be good ol' US citizens like the rest of us.

 

[Leoreth]

I swear, it is threads like this that make me thank God I don't live in Europe. No offense, guys, but who cares about your ethnicity?

The only one in this thread who cares about ethnicity is Domen.

The Sorbs, largely, don't. The Germans, largely, don't.

This is not an issue. That every request to provide evidence to the contrary has fallen on deaf ears is sufficient proof of that.

 

[gay_Aleks]

I swear, it is threads like this that make me thank God I don't live in Europe. No offense, guys, but who cares about your ethnicity? Why should that give you some rights to some special autonomous region?

Yes yes, I know, we still have some indian reservations, so my post -is- a bit hypocritical. That said, I hate the idea of reservations. They should be abolished and the populations forced to just be good ol' US citizens like the rest of us.

Think of it like Texas trying to secede - there's vocal minority which wants it to secede, but the truth is that the majority has no actual reason to do that.

And after all, there's some politically fragmented places in Europe (ahem, ex-Yugoslavia, ahem), unlike North America which for the sole exception of the Caribbean countries and the Central American countries, it is very stable (Unless Quebec finally gets it on and secedes from Canada).

 

[Hygro]

i swear, it is threads like this that make me thank god i don't live in europe. No offense, guys, but who cares about your ethnicity? Why should that give you some rights to some special autonomous region?

Yes yes, i know, we still have some indian reservations, so my post -is- a bit hypocritical. That said, i hate the idea of reservations. They should be abolished and the populations forced to just be good ol' us citizens like the rest of us.

 

[Phrossack]

Spoiler :

Romanes eunt domus! What have the Romans ever done for us?

 

[bhsup]

That's quite apt! if I could be anyone from TV land, I'd be this guy. He was a proper citizen, he honored the Gods, and no truer friend could one have!

THIRTEEN!!!

 

[warpus]

I swear, it is threads like this that make me thank God I don't live in Europe. No offense, guys, but who cares about your ethnicity? Why should that give you some rights to some special autonomous region?

Because if you have 1 ethnic group that's a minority in a region where you have a whole crapload of people living from another ethnic group, from our experience the people in the minority often get the shaft. Their language gets the shaft, their culture, and anything to do with them. Over time, their unique cultural makeup will be eroded, and that's not good, because if everyone on this planet was exactly the same, that would be very boring.

If they get their own country or some sort of juristiction over their own autonomous area, that allows them to pass laws that benefits them and their nation.

For the most part this doesn't happen in the U.S., so it's not an issue there, aside from a couple exceptions.

 

[Hygro]

I'm pretty down with us liking our ethnic heritage purely for a historical interest preference and not for identifying ourselves as us vs. them, but I think we can very easily make a case that reservations are highly legit. Or, not legit enough. These were originally sovereign nations annexed by American imperialism, like it or not, who we made treaties with. Treaties! That's no joke.

Meanwhile, you know the types of folks who often represent their reservations to the US government? People who did really American things like served in the US military. Take the NCAI's current president. This is at the bottom of his bio

President Keel is a retired U.S. Army officer with over 20 years active duty service. He served three years of service in Vietnam, and received numerous awards and decorations for heroism, including two Purple Hearts, the Bronze Star with "V" for valor, and the Army Commendation Medal with valor. He is a former Airborne Ranger, infantry platoon sergeant and platoon leader, and served as an instructor in the elite U.S. Army Rangers.

So, the wrap up:
Sovereign Nation gets annexed by US.
US makes treaty with sovereign nation. (Treaty! That's like, legislation way enshrined in our Constitution)
Member of sovereign nation serves as active duty soldier/officer.
Goes and represents a group of these sovereign annexed nations via intra-American political and cultural channels.


I dunno about you, but I don't think you can really ask someone to be more American than that. I mean, you get to be Missourian and American, why not Cherokee and American? I think that makes even more sense. And I'm prettttttty into being Californian and I make that claim.

 

[Domen]

What have the Romans ever done for us?

This:


Link to video.

But Sorbs were not conquered by the Romans, they were conquered by German crusaders.

Bernard of Clairvaux (1090 - 1153) wrote this about the policies of crusaders towards pagans:

"(...) Killing pagans would only be damnable, if there was any other way of removing their eyesore and of depriving them of possibilities of persecuting Christians... but under the current conditions it is better to exterminate these people, rather than seeing their swords constantly hanging over the heads of believers... A good knight, by exterminating pagans, is working for the benefit of Christ. By killing them, a knight is not becoming a manslayer, but he is becoming a slayer of evil... Death of pagans is his fame, being also Christ's fame. (...)"

 

[Lord Baal]

So by that logic, we should give Poland back to the Neanderthals then?

 

[Leoreth]

But Sorbs were not conquered by the Romans, they were conquered by German crusaders.