Should the US House of Representatives Be Increased In Size?

Should the US House of Representatives be increased, decreased or remain the same?

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What about giving each rep a proportional vote to the number of folks he reps? The vote from the guy that reps 20k counts half as much as the vote from the guy that reps 40k, and so forth. Keeps the numbers pretty similar and cuts the disparity. I mean, I know it's not actually going to happen, but it would be a reasonable solution, wouldn't it?
 
How about getting rid of the restriction that does not allow congressional districts to include parts of multiple states?


How about we let states send as many or as few representatives as they like, but instead of counting the vote of each member of congress each state delegation can cast one vote per citizen of thier state? (I'm not really serious about that, as a couple people could overrule the whole house, and could be more easily bribed. I would rather the senate operate sort of like that though, where state legislatures choose as many delegates as they like and can recall them at any time but each delegate wields only a fraction of the state's single vote. That is basically how congress worked under the articles of confederation, except I'd allow fractional votes instead of requiring consensus among each state's delegation.)


How about not using discrete districts, but having the top X candidates running in each state take a seat in Congress. (I think that multimember seats like that were declared unconstitutional, but I don't think it would be so bad if Ranged Voting was used.)
 
It would make sense to abolish the representation by geographical district and move to proportional representation by party. This would have the advantage of ending the gerrymandering games, overthrowing the tyranny of the mean-voter, and breaking the republocrat duopoly. While we're at it, we could get rid of the Senate and all it's rotten boroughs.
 
Germany, France, Italy and the UK all have around 600 representatives in their biggest chamber. And they all have several times smaller populations than the USA. Compared to that the House of Representatives seems to be quite small.
 
It would make sense to abolish the representation by geographical district and move to proportional representation by party. This would have the advantage of ending the gerrymandering games, overthrowing the tyranny of the mean-voter, and breaking the republocrat duopoly. While we're at it, we could get rid of the Senate and all it's rotten boroughs.

This would require a constitutional amendment and is thus effectively impossible. And what do you mean by rotten boroughs? Using the actual definition of rotten boroughs, not even Congressmen can have a district that woudl qualify, much less Senators, who are elected by a statewide election.

On topic, I oppose expanding the HoR, because the U.S. is not a parlimentary system and the lower house needs to be sufficiently small to work as an actual law making body, not just an assembly of nameless vote holders who might as well be electronic counters.
 
This would require a constitutional amendment and is thus effectively impossible. And what do you mean by rotten boroughs? Using the actual definition of rotten boroughs, not even Congressmen can have a district that woudl qualify, much less Senators, who are elected by a statewide election.

True, of the the 27 amendments only two (17 & 20) have been structural changes. Sadly, reform will have to wait on dire necessity.
On the point of rotten boroughs - Montana, for example, qualifies as such, in that it has few voters but has the same senatorial weight as California; a situation that is hard to justify, especially since the 17th amendment changed senators from representaives of the state qua state to representatives of the people in the state.
 
I would never support a system that give proportional representation by party. The founders feared political parties, with good reason. Nothing should be done that would further legitimize the existence or practices of parties. We should encourage the choosing of elected officials based on their personal merits and positions, not how they line up with an ultimately fairly arbitrary party platform.

Ranged Voting (where voters rate each candidate running, say on a scale of 1 to 10, independently of how they rank the other candidates so candidates acceptable to most voters will will out over highly polarizing figures) would be much better.


I am no fan of the 17th amendment.
 
The problem with that isn't in the number of representatives, it's in the way redistricting is done. Of course, adding representatives would create additional un-necessary mess, I suppose... but then, fixing the redistricting process should be more of a priority. And we've had plenty of threads on how to reform the representation system.

Doing this every ten years would be an unenviable task.

Welcome to my job!
 
Increace the population of the US, then you can add more seats in the House. Unlike the Senate where it's fixed to 100 senators (2 from each state). The house depends on the population.
 
Originally it just depended on population, but legislation has capped the number of representatives in the house. (This is not a constitutional amendment though, so it wouldn't that hard to repeal.)
 
Increace the population of the US, then you can add more seats in the House. Unlike the Senate where it's fixed to 100 senators (2 from each state). The house depends on the population.
The number of representatives has been legally fixed at 435.
 
Increace the population of the US, then you can add more seats in the House. Unlike the Senate where it's fixed to 100 senators (2 from each state). The house depends on the population.

Not so. The House is fixed at 435 members and has been for near a century. The US population has increased hugely in that time. So as time goes by the number of people represented by each member of the House also increases.
 
Not so. The House is fixed at 435 members and has been for near a century. The US population has increased hugely in that time. So as time goes by the number of people represented by each member of the House also increases.

Agreed
I wonder what would it take to change the amount of Representatives, I don't know if you would go about that in a normal way or something else? Anyone know?
 
It's fixed by legislation. Not by a provision of the Constitution. So it would be changed by Congress simply passing a law. But the likelihood of that happening is pretty much nonexistent.
 
So has anyone else read Adult Diapers' take on this issue, as mentioned in the OP's article?
http://www.fairvote.org/?page=1765

Spoiler Congress Just Isn't Big Enough :
As George W. Bush prepares to exchange the pleasures
of rusticity at his ranch for the capital's political climate that he vows to improve, here is a proposal for doing so: Increase the size of the House of Representatives to 1,000 seats.

Today's number, 435, is neither written into the Constitution nor graven on the heart of humanity by the finger of God. It was set
by a 1911 statute, which can be changed in a trice.

In 1910, when America's population was 92,228,496, the ratio of representatives to citizens was one for every 212,999.
The House has been 435 members since 1912 (except briefly after Alaska and Hawaii became states in 1959, when there were 437 representatives until after the 1960 census).

The first Congress had 65 representatives for about 3.9 million Americans, one for every 60,000. Not until 1860 did the ratio top one for every 100,000. Today the ratio is one for every 646,947. In 1790 only Virginia had that many residents (692,000). Today, four states (Alaska, North Dakota, Vermont, Wyoming) do not have that many. So now representatives, whom the Founders intended to represent smaller numbers than
senators, represent more people than most senators did in the Founders' era.

If there were 1,000 representatives today, the ratio would be one for every 281,000, about what it was in 1930. Candidates could campaign as candidates did in the pre-broadcasting era, with more retail than wholesale politicking, door to door, meeting by meeting. Hence there would be less need for money, most of which now buys television time. So enlarging the House can be justified in terms of the goal that nowadays trumps all others among "progressive" thinkers -- campaign finance reform.

Much of the political class and the media, with the special
irresponsibility each brings to campaign finance reform, saluted and swooned in admiration when John McCain recently vowed promptly to force action on his reform bill. The swooning saluters were undeterred by the fact that the contents of
McCain's bill had not yet been -- and still have not been -- divulged.

However, one of Bush's published reform proposals, although potentially hugely important, goes largely unremarked. It would
ban lobbyists from making campaign contributions to any senator or representative while Congress is in session. This, even more than the seating problems in a 1,000-member House, would be a powerful incentive for Congress to have
shorter sessions.

Critics will say, correctly, that the House chamber
cannot seat 1,000 members, that it would be crowded and uncomfortable, that office space would be so severely rationed that staffs would have to be trimmed, so the House, and therefore Congress, could not do very much. Sensible people would be dry-eyed about such conditions, which would encourage representatives not to tarry here.

Besides, congestion would be constructive. The greatest democratic statesman of the last century understood this.

On May 10, 1941, an air raid badly damaged the House of Commons, which moved its sitting to the House of Lords. On Oct. 28, 1943, Winston Churchill delivered a short, brilliant speech concerning reconstruction. "We shape our buildings," he said, "and afterwards our buildings shape us." Hence he said that the House "should not be big enough to contain
all its Members at once without overcrowding, and that there should be no question of every Member having a separate seat reserved for him."

In a House that could accommodate everyone, most debates would be conducted in the depressing atmosphere of an almost empty chamber. (As any viewer of C-SPAN knows, this is the case in the House of Representatives today.) But, said Churchill, good parliamentary dialogue -- quick, informal,
conversational -- "requires a fairly small space, and there should be on great occasions a sense of crowd and urgency." Besides, the House's vitality and its hold on the nation's imagination "depend to no small extent upon its episodes and great moments, even upon its scenes and rows, which, as
everyone will agree, are better conducted at close quarters."

Of course, the House of Representatives will not more than double its size, thereby diluting the majesty of membership and the power of each member. In truth, there are reasons for not doing so, including considerations of sheer cumbersomeness.

Nevertheless, it is well to acknowledge arguments for enlargement. They point to possible connections between institutional attributes and the tone and quality of representative government, which, as the president-elect has repeatedly said, has room for improvement.
 
The first ever proposed amendment (other than the bil of rights) dealt with this very problem.
It has yet to pass.
 
The Federal government should ideally be the States joining to do things together, so really, IDEALLY, the current congress should be scrapped for a new unicameral body where each State gets one representative. Again, ideally, this would be appointed by either each State's legislature or just by the Chief Executive of the State.
 
True, of the the 27 amendments only two (17 & 20) have been structural changes. Sadly, reform will have to wait on dire necessity.
On the point of rotten boroughs - Montana, for example, qualifies as such, in that it has few voters but has the same senatorial weight as California; a situation that is hard to justify, especially since the 17th amendment changed senators from representaives of the state qua state to representatives of the people in the state.

Regarding the Senate, it cannot be considered a Rotten Borough considering the Constitution is specifically designed so it would be that way. You can disagree with very idea of the Senate, but it can hardly be considered rotten when it is working exactly as designed and working within both the letter and spirit of the law. And regardless, definition wise, no state is so small that a Senator or his patron can exercise undue influence over the constituency, so calling small states rotten boroughs is completely unwarranted.
 
Representation is never 100% equal in a federal system, that's just the way it works. When you have subnational entities with populations that are orders of magnitude different, there's no way to really achieve "fairness" that satisfies everyone's definitions of fairness. In particular, different regions with very different population distributions are hard to reflect accurately.

Tasmania in Australia is a good example of this - because the Constitution says each state gets a minimum of 5 members in the House of Reps, each Tasmanian Member of Parliament represents roughly half the number of electors than the reps in any other state. This is technically not fair, but on the other hand, that's still only 5 out of 150 MPs. A "fair" and equal weighting would leave Tasmania with two or three MPs and even less voice. Hardly worth it just to get the numbers looking neat.

Bicameralism is designed to compensate for this. Small states or provinces which don't have much voice in the population-based chamber still get equal representation in the senate.

The problem in the United States isn't unequal representation, it's politicians drawing the boundaries. Far more substantive reforms in the United States context would create independent districting bodies with specific rules to follow regarding contiguousness, natural boundaries, etc... and a ban on considering party affiliation in the assigning of seats.
 
Christ. Let's double or even quadruple the number of idiots in Washington. My head hurts just thinking about it.

Right, whoever says an increase is needed is out of their mind. They way over pay the fools they have now. I was watching Lieberman on C-Span what a dribbling idiot, he did not know an inkling of what financial advisors were telling him about last years expenditures, and its impact about the state of the economy. Of course the advisors was trying unsuccessfully to give him the harvard answer of the year. Which to put it frankly, made them both look stupid on national television. What they should do is get rid of the idiots and put some people in the House and Senate, who know what their talking about. At least in Rome usually just the emperor was a moron, in our case its the other way around. I am not an Obama fan but at least he has a plan in mind. I believe he can come up with a better solution going in a different direction, but at least he knows what needs to be fixed.
 
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