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SKNES III: Bullets with Butterfly Wings
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Neverwonagame3
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Question for GM- Which views are most popular amongst dissenters against the Austro-Hungarian regime?
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From: Kingdom of France
To: Vietnam
CC: Korea, Netherlands, Britain
Her Majesty's government would regard poorly any alliance between Vietnam and Korea. It is the belief of this state that peace and prosperity in east Asia, particularly between France and her Korean allies, can only be fostered by the maintenance of existing diplomatic structures and agreements rather than the foisting of a system of complex alliances and entangling compacts upon the sphere. We expect that in this matter France speaks for all European powers with interests and obligations in the Far East. Nonetheless France remains committed to cooperating with all involved parties to curb the rash of piracy and lawlessness which currently affects the Indian Ocean and its various seaways.
To: Vietnam
CC: Korea, Netherlands, Britain
Her Majesty's government would regard poorly any alliance between Vietnam and Korea. It is the belief of this state that peace and prosperity in east Asia, particularly between France and her Korean allies, can only be fostered by the maintenance of existing diplomatic structures and agreements rather than the foisting of a system of complex alliances and entangling compacts upon the sphere. We expect that in this matter France speaks for all European powers with interests and obligations in the Far East. Nonetheless France remains committed to cooperating with all involved parties to curb the rash of piracy and lawlessness which currently affects the Indian Ocean and its various seaways.
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From: The Kingdom of Prussia
To: The Kingdoms of Saxony-Bavaria
Our Southern Brethren,
We are looking to expand our friendship with our Southern neighbors, in a way that is beneficial to both nations. We come looking for peace, and we hope we can sign some sort of agreement that solidifies this fact.
To: The Kingdoms of Saxony-Bavaria
Our Southern Brethren,
We are looking to expand our friendship with our Southern neighbors, in a way that is beneficial to both nations. We come looking for peace, and we hope we can sign some sort of agreement that solidifies this fact.
talonschild
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I suppose I'll confirm the Beyalik of Tunis.
Neverwonagame3
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From Austria-Hungary
To World
Proposing finalised form of treaty with Russia. Austria-Hungary and Russia agree to stay out of each other's areas of influence (Bosnia and Greece/Serbia/the Danube respectively), unless called into said areas of influence explicitly.
The rulers of Greece, Serbia, and the Danube will be notified that Austria is thus honor-bound not to interfere in their affairs unless explicitly called in by one of them. If one of them does so, Austria will not be bound by said terms and therefore will be able to aid them.
If Russia attempts to force us to any terms in which we cannot interfere even with the consent of the rulers of Greece, Serbia, and the Danube, it will mean war.
To World
Proposing finalised form of treaty with Russia. Austria-Hungary and Russia agree to stay out of each other's areas of influence (Bosnia and Greece/Serbia/the Danube respectively), unless called into said areas of influence explicitly.
The rulers of Greece, Serbia, and the Danube will be notified that Austria is thus honor-bound not to interfere in their affairs unless explicitly called in by one of them. If one of them does so, Austria will not be bound by said terms and therefore will be able to aid them.
If Russia attempts to force us to any terms in which we cannot interfere even with the consent of the rulers of Greece, Serbia, and the Danube, it will mean war.
DC123456789
Deity
From: Ethiopia
To: Great Britain
Ethiopia would be interested in opening up trade opportunities with Great Britain.
To: Great Britain
Ethiopia would be interested in opening up trade opportunities with Great Britain.
To: France
From: Vietnam
CC: Britain, Korea, The Netherlands
We have no desire to infringe upon any preexisting alliances and treaties that the nation of Korea has with our friends in France, but we will not revoke our offer. However, if the government of Korea decides to formally reject the alliance, we will not protest.
The reasoning behind our offer does appear to need some explanation. The goal of our government is to gradually open up our nation for investment by our European friends. To do this, it becomes necessary to secure our position in southeast Asia, especially in regards the protection of trade. Bringing Korea and Vietnam closer together, and coordinating the efforts of their navies, would go a great way towards keeping East Asia secure from the ever-present threat of bloodthirsty pirates. Let us remind Her Majesty's government that this in turn would allow France, and the other European nations, to focus their efforts on securing the Indian Ocean. The end result can only be profit for all parties involved.
If Her Majesty's government is concerned that we may, in the future, attempt to leverage an alliance with Korea into a method by which we could entangle France in regional wars, let us dispel that thought here and now. Any alliance would be purely defensive in nature, and, we sincerely hope, would anyway be largely symbolic.
Our diplomats wish to apologize for any concern our foreign affairs efforts may have sparked in Europe, but we hope our position is more clear now.
From: Vietnam
CC: Britain, Korea, The Netherlands
We have no desire to infringe upon any preexisting alliances and treaties that the nation of Korea has with our friends in France, but we will not revoke our offer. However, if the government of Korea decides to formally reject the alliance, we will not protest.
The reasoning behind our offer does appear to need some explanation. The goal of our government is to gradually open up our nation for investment by our European friends. To do this, it becomes necessary to secure our position in southeast Asia, especially in regards the protection of trade. Bringing Korea and Vietnam closer together, and coordinating the efforts of their navies, would go a great way towards keeping East Asia secure from the ever-present threat of bloodthirsty pirates. Let us remind Her Majesty's government that this in turn would allow France, and the other European nations, to focus their efforts on securing the Indian Ocean. The end result can only be profit for all parties involved.
If Her Majesty's government is concerned that we may, in the future, attempt to leverage an alliance with Korea into a method by which we could entangle France in regional wars, let us dispel that thought here and now. Any alliance would be purely defensive in nature, and, we sincerely hope, would anyway be largely symbolic.
Our diplomats wish to apologize for any concern our foreign affairs efforts may have sparked in Europe, but we hope our position is more clear now.
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From Austria
To World
The Austrian Emperor formally apologises for our ancestor's part in depriving His Holiness of his Papal States. We admit that this was wrong of us.
We also ask His Holiness what areas of current Austrian policy he objects to, and pledge to reform Our government in such a manner that His Holiness finds it at least acceptable.
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EDIT: Since SouthernKing has said that Stories will be incorporated, doing so.
Karl Von Hapsburg
Karl was a diplomat raised in the Hapsburg court. At one point, it was feared the Emperor of the day would be unable to concieve a child, which would have made Karl heir to the throne, so he had gained considerable experience in both administration and diplomacy. Even after this proved not to be the case, Karl still retained considerable influence.
Karl proved very controversial in his opinions for four reasons . The fact that the Emperor took him seriously, though he did not accept any point unconditionally, made all four opinions seem all the more dangerous. The fact that Karl was public about all four opinions made them even more so.
One vital thing about Karl was his philosophical objection to Nationalism. Karl believed that nationality is a shared delusion. To this end, he argued first that many regions were of ambigious nationality, classifiable as one or another dependent upon criterion, second that shared language did not work as a criterion because on the level of peasants no shared language came into existence except where government policy imposed it (what really existed were varying dialects), and finally that for all the alleged differences of character between people of different nationalities, differences between men were greater within a national unit than between them.
Second was Karl's doctrine of Hapsburg Restoration. Although the Emperor publically disagreed, Karl argued that the Hapsburg dynasty should begin wars of aggression to attempt to restore the pre-Fredrick of Prussia balance of power. Otherwise, Russia and France would gain power over time and ultimately the state would be swallowed up.
Third, Karl advocated for Religious Revival. This involved the use of the death penalty for non-Catholics, the restoration of the Inquisition to hunt down and destroy heretics, giving the Church control of education and the right to raise Church taxes (though at rates negotiated with the State) and for reasons of prestige securing Church permission to resume the title of Holy Roman Emperor. With the support of the Church, propaganda could be used for a religious revival to put an end to the delusion of nationality.
Fourth, Karl argued that although the Franchise should be extended to all men, regardless of status in society, and even women, the power of democratic representatives should be limited as much as possible. This was because Divine Right belonged to the Emperor, not the People. A Parliament was a very good idea so that the people could make their requests known to the Emperor, but the Emperor was in charge and nothing could change that.
Emperor Joseph argued that although Karl's opinions were controversial, he was an able and talented diplomat, and that the Emperor should hear opinions from all people in high posts, no matter how crazy they sounded. This fueled speculation that Karl would have real influence on policy in the future.
To World
The Austrian Emperor formally apologises for our ancestor's part in depriving His Holiness of his Papal States. We admit that this was wrong of us.
We also ask His Holiness what areas of current Austrian policy he objects to, and pledge to reform Our government in such a manner that His Holiness finds it at least acceptable.
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EDIT: Since SouthernKing has said that Stories will be incorporated, doing so.
Karl Von Hapsburg
Karl was a diplomat raised in the Hapsburg court. At one point, it was feared the Emperor of the day would be unable to concieve a child, which would have made Karl heir to the throne, so he had gained considerable experience in both administration and diplomacy. Even after this proved not to be the case, Karl still retained considerable influence.
Karl proved very controversial in his opinions for four reasons . The fact that the Emperor took him seriously, though he did not accept any point unconditionally, made all four opinions seem all the more dangerous. The fact that Karl was public about all four opinions made them even more so.
One vital thing about Karl was his philosophical objection to Nationalism. Karl believed that nationality is a shared delusion. To this end, he argued first that many regions were of ambigious nationality, classifiable as one or another dependent upon criterion, second that shared language did not work as a criterion because on the level of peasants no shared language came into existence except where government policy imposed it (what really existed were varying dialects), and finally that for all the alleged differences of character between people of different nationalities, differences between men were greater within a national unit than between them.
Second was Karl's doctrine of Hapsburg Restoration. Although the Emperor publically disagreed, Karl argued that the Hapsburg dynasty should begin wars of aggression to attempt to restore the pre-Fredrick of Prussia balance of power. Otherwise, Russia and France would gain power over time and ultimately the state would be swallowed up.
Third, Karl advocated for Religious Revival. This involved the use of the death penalty for non-Catholics, the restoration of the Inquisition to hunt down and destroy heretics, giving the Church control of education and the right to raise Church taxes (though at rates negotiated with the State) and for reasons of prestige securing Church permission to resume the title of Holy Roman Emperor. With the support of the Church, propaganda could be used for a religious revival to put an end to the delusion of nationality.
Fourth, Karl argued that although the Franchise should be extended to all men, regardless of status in society, and even women, the power of democratic representatives should be limited as much as possible. This was because Divine Right belonged to the Emperor, not the People. A Parliament was a very good idea so that the people could make their requests known to the Emperor, but the Emperor was in charge and nothing could change that.
Emperor Joseph argued that although Karl's opinions were controversial, he was an able and talented diplomat, and that the Emperor should hear opinions from all people in high posts, no matter how crazy they sounded. This fueled speculation that Karl would have real influence on policy in the future.
The Tremendous Qing protests the Vietnamese diplomacy. The Koreans are a tributary, first among tributaries but one nonetheless, and therefore their foreign policy will be decided in Beijing.
OOC: Operating off the assumption that the Koreans are still in nominal "vassal" status
OOC: Operating off the assumption that the Koreans are still in nominal "vassal" status
Neverwonagame3
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From Austria-Hungary
To the Qing
The Emperor of Austria knows that these areas of Qing sovereignty, and therefore has no intention of force against the Emperor of the Great Qing. However, we would wish to make our views on the topic known.
Although the rulers of Vietnam and Korea were wrong to make a defensive alliance given their tributary status, the greatest Emperor of this world should not be worried by such a nominal thing and instead focus on what is actually happening.
If the vassal states of Vietnam and Korea wish to coordinate their defenses, then as Emperor you have every right to prevent it. But as long as they do not launch offensive wars without your consent, does it matter if they call allies or something else?
From Austria-Hungary
To the Qing
The Emperor of Austria knows that these areas of Qing sovereignty, and therefore has no intention of force against the Emperor of the Great Qing. However, we would wish to make our views on the topic known.
Although the rulers of Vietnam and Korea were wrong to make a defensive alliance given their tributary status, the greatest Emperor of this world should not be worried by such a nominal thing and instead focus on what is actually happening.
If the vassal states of Vietnam and Korea wish to coordinate their defenses, then as Emperor you have every right to prevent it. But as long as they do not launch offensive wars without your consent, does it matter if they call allies or something else?
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From Ignacio Morales Guerrero de Colorado, Foreign Minister of the American Republic
To the ambassadors of Her Russian Imperatrix and Her Britannic Majesty
Excellencies, given the long-standing American presence in the Sandwich Islands, and its critical location in the Pacific Ocean, we are moving to establish a protectorate over the islands in the coming months. Our growing commercial interests in the Far East means that the islands are critical to allowing the American fleet to protect our commerce and citizenry in Asia, and we expect to establish a military port on the main island soon. We assure that the navies of both of your nations will have the right to resupply in the newest American territory, as a continuation of the long friendship that exists between our governments.
To the ambassadors of Her Russian Imperatrix and Her Britannic Majesty
Excellencies, given the long-standing American presence in the Sandwich Islands, and its critical location in the Pacific Ocean, we are moving to establish a protectorate over the islands in the coming months. Our growing commercial interests in the Far East means that the islands are critical to allowing the American fleet to protect our commerce and citizenry in Asia, and we expect to establish a military port on the main island soon. We assure that the navies of both of your nations will have the right to resupply in the newest American territory, as a continuation of the long friendship that exists between our governments.
To: Prussia
From: Saxony-Bavaria
We too seek a warming of relations with our northern neighbor. We would like to begin negations in private towards this "expanded friendship" you propose.
Neverwonagame3
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OOC: Post 36, page 2.
From Austria
To Saxony-Bavaria
What about our alliance suggestion? Your thoughts?
From Austria
To Saxony-Bavaria
What about our alliance suggestion? Your thoughts?
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Despite all my rage,
I am still just the Dutch in a cage.
To: the Kingdom of Vietnam
CC: the Empire of the Great Qing, the Kingdom of Great Joseon, the Kingdom of France
From: the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands
The United Provinces must unfortunately question the reasoning of Vietnam as to an anti-Pirate alliance in the South China sea. An extended campaign against Pirates must be a cooperative affair involving all nations in the region - an alliance of solely Korea and Vietnam will be unable to scour the region with any effectiveness, especially given that the majority of pirate nests operate out of Dutch and British territory, and we will not permit foreign forces to make any actions in Dutch territory or waters.
Any alliance between Korea and Vietnam smacks of an anti-Chinese pact, which we furthermore must oppose on behalf of our allies in the Great Qing.
I am still just the Dutch in a cage.
To: the Kingdom of Vietnam
CC: the Empire of the Great Qing, the Kingdom of Great Joseon, the Kingdom of France
From: the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands
The United Provinces must unfortunately question the reasoning of Vietnam as to an anti-Pirate alliance in the South China sea. An extended campaign against Pirates must be a cooperative affair involving all nations in the region - an alliance of solely Korea and Vietnam will be unable to scour the region with any effectiveness, especially given that the majority of pirate nests operate out of Dutch and British territory, and we will not permit foreign forces to make any actions in Dutch territory or waters.
Any alliance between Korea and Vietnam smacks of an anti-Chinese pact, which we furthermore must oppose on behalf of our allies in the Great Qing.
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
Spoiler :
In matter of Vietnam and Korea's "Alliance" discussions: Great Britain must side with France and the Netherlands in agreeing that such an agreement does not adequately deal with such an issue as Piracy.
You are welcome to send trade ships, if you have any to either Baroda in India, or our base at British East Africa, just around the Horn of Africa. Britain will not actively prevent our merchants from trading with your nation.
Queen Charlotte thanks the American Republic for informing us of such a move and for allowing our ships to stop there for supplies when needed. As such we will open our ports around the Pacific to your ships should you require them.
To: Austria-Hungary
From: Saxony-Bavaria
We see no advantage in direct alliance at this time. Since there are no credible threats to our state, we see no reason for one. Finally, we believe that relations between our nation will improve naturally over time through peaceful coexistence.
From: Saxony-Bavaria
We see no advantage in direct alliance at this time. Since there are no credible threats to our state, we see no reason for one. Finally, we believe that relations between our nation will improve naturally over time through peaceful coexistence.
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