It's fine that both hemispheres have similar compositions; the problem is that the arrangement is exactly the same in both hemispheres. Exploration isn't very much fun if you already know exactly where everything is going to be.
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US Army under H. Tubman faces off against French Army allegedly under Old Nicky's rule.
Early French Army seen here is likely be Pre-1800s. either bicorne or bearskin tall caps are worn instead of shakoes.
US Army 1st Legion attacking Tashkent. the US Army here is modelled after either American Provincials unit (Seven Years War) or Continental Army. (Wears 18th Century uniforms).
Early French Army seen here is likely be Pre-1800s. either bicorne or bearskin tall caps are worn instead of shakoes.
US Army 1st Legion attacking Tashkent. the US Army here is modelled after either American Provincials unit (Seven Years War) or Continental Army. (Wears 18th Century uniforms).
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j51
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I think the French Imperial guards in the first picture are being led by Isabella because their coats are gold.
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j51
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Just saw embroderies on a French Regimental Standard. it is Napoleon's era. i think Early ones, the late ones looks like this.
That’s not what I meant. I mean the coats of the soldiers are yellow. They’re probably coded to change color based on the assigned color of the leader (Isabella in this case) leading the civ the units belong to (France.) If they were being led by Machiavelli the coats would probably be a blue color, because his assigned colors seem to be blue/white.
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While I understand the colors being matched to the Leaders for 3-Age identification, French troops, either Royal, Revolutionary, Imperial or later Republican never in reality wore yellow/gold uniforms. The nearest was the special Neufchatel Regiment ceded to Napoleon in 1806:
Which in fact was one of the few military units in all of Europe to ever wear 'yellow' coats, so is probably one of the most-painted miniatures units Ever.
I suppose I can get used to it. After all, the aforementioned Royal, Imperial, Rpeublican, etc French at various times wore gray, white, blue, or very light lavender coats, and the old Royal Army had foreign troops in red, dark blue, light blue, and brown coats.
Yellow will just take some getting used to . . .
j51
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Lavender?!
Boris Gudenuf
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The 'distinctive' colors on uniforms all over Europe tended to be very different from what is usually considered 'military' colors now. The piping on the uniforms of the Prussian Guards was pink, as an example. The old French Royal Army used everything from pink to light yellow to lavender and the Imperial Russian Army had a color called 'Ognevoi' - 'Fiery' which nobody knows what it was now - no samples have survived. It is described by one contemporary opbserver as a "orangish pink', so your guess is as good as anyones.
Napoleon, in an experimental mood about 1811 - 1812, put several regiments into a new uniform on a trial basis. Looking for something different and distinctive from the rest of Europe (who were, after all, his enemies at the moment) who were in red, blue, green or white, he put several regiments in coats of a very light lavender/mauve color. They very quickly changed back to the regular Imperial blue and white, because they discovered that
1. From a distance the lavender looked like white, and so they were indistinguishable from the Austrians' white coats and
2. There was no lavender/mauve/purple dye available that wouldn't wash or fade out after a few days in the sun or rain, so the uniforms were impossible to maintain.
Of course, most uniform colors before modern artificial dyes were entirely dependent on what was available cheap: madder was available all over Europe for a cheap, though dull, red, Indigo was a relatively cheap blue dye, and white was just Bleached Wool. There's a reason why those three colors covered most of the troops from 1650 to 1850!
j51
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Woah! I wish these weirder colors were in the books of military dress that I used to look for drawing references when I was kid. I woulda had a lot of fun!
j51
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I’ll try: maybe a Texas ruby-red grapefruit color? Or maybe a coral or salmon?
Sounds to me like the color of padparadscha sapphires, which themselves take their name from the orangish-pink flowers of the sacred lotus.
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My wife has about 5 dresses of shades very similar to that color, all earned by being a bridesmaid in the late 00s. I tend to think of it as Bridesmaid's Blush.
I think it's debatable, there are blue accents on the coats and yellow ones on their hats (American line infantry also has Tubman's colors in the accents). Also, their trousers and shirts are white, and Isabella's red is nowhere to be seen. This leads me to believe this is our first look at one of Napoleon color jerseys, either gold on white or gold/yellow on blue.
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The same freeze frame shows a city with dark blue accents behind the "Hohenzollern" commander (if it was a Harriet Tubman's city the awning would have been light blue for her background color), so I think that Friedrich's colors will be black on "Prussian" blue. It also appears that Prussian (?) and American line infantry models are identical and based on Seven Years' War. Though it's very much possible that the city behind the possibly Prussian troops is actually French for some reason, as it shares its architectural style. And some details on the army opposing the French seem either white or even lavender in the smoke so it could even be Machiavelli leading Prussia? It's all a mess made to make us guess
(now it's time for me to spend 4 hours figuring out how colors on units work)
EDIT: It seems that Ben Franklin also has the more vibrant and darker blue in his First Look, even though it's not part of his colors. And the building actually is part of American, not European city style. So it's Prussian commander, behind Prussian or American units, in front of an American city, fighting the French lead by one of Isabella, Machiavelli, Napoleon and who knows who else. I don't understand anything anymore.
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Also, have a screenshot of Ashoka and Xerxes sharing a color jersey which doesn't even belong to either of them because why not.
EDIT 2: Ibn-Battuta First look also has two different shades of green for accents in Arabian cities, depending on the shot. So it's like footage of cities was either shot a long time ago and colors changed between then and when the gameplay footage was shot, or some shots were shot with civ's colors instead of leader ones???????????????????????????????????
Many first looks have a discrepancy like this, which makes me think that there's maybe an option of playing with civ's color instead of the leader's?
Something is amiss ever since that Australian trailer which had different colors for Egypt and Rome than the regular one......... (i'm joking, i'm actually totally sane, i think)
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Boris Gudenuf
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There's a reason why the 18th century and Napoleonic period is one of the favorites among the miniatures modelers and painters: it was the high point of colorful military uniforms and the sheer variety is almost overwhelming. I still have on my shelves a two volume set of watercolor illustrations of Napoleonic uniforms totalling over 500 pages, and it doesn't begin to cover all the varieties of uniforms of the period!
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Yellow is probably one of Napoleon's alterative jersey colours. It doesn't go deeper than that.
There aren't 26 distinctly different colors, so don't expect to be able to reliably recognize a leader just by the unit teamcolors.
...and as if it really matters which leader's troops we are looking at in a given clip. It doesn't tell us anything meaningful. No civilizations or units are unique to a particular leader.
...and as if it really matters which leader's troops we are looking at in a given clip. It doesn't tell us anything meaningful. No civilizations or units are unique to a particular leader.
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I think people are just curious about what the leaders' team colors are and trying to deduce them.
We have seen some leaders using different team colors despite the jersey system not being in the game at release. It's probably just different sets being used at different times in development, but people are still trying to work out what colors are whose.
While I would like to know also, I'm content to wait for release.
We have seen some leaders using different team colors despite the jersey system not being in the game at release. It's probably just different sets being used at different times in development, but people are still trying to work out what colors are whose.
While I would like to know also, I'm content to wait for release.
We've seen Shawnee special unit in two color variants in one video: one in brown shirts, corresponding with Tecumseh colors, and one in light blue corresponding with Shawnee civ colors as seen on social media:
To me, this means one of three things or some wacky combination of them:
a) Tecumseh's colors have changed midway during recording of the FL (this option means that this was likely our first look at Charlemagne's colors as well)
b) Color jerseys in game took from civs instead of leaders, and this changed midway during recording of the FL (but why use two builds at all?)
c) third option, the most fun one - there is a setting, either available to players or just debug, to switch between the civs' and leaders' color jersey
I have one bigger theory regarding colors though. The basis for it hidden in Maurya and Mongolia game guide. Notice something similar? It's the accents, they're in the same beige color, so could this mean there's a Mughal leader?Though the beige also appears in Mayan and Shawnee one but shhhhhhhh. Unless...
Also, Hawaii, as well as Majapahit, seems to be led by Trung Trac in the game guide.
All this of course is completely irrelevant, but I like analysing things and really there's nothing better to pick apart. Merry Christmas.
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To me, this means one of three things or some wacky combination of them:
a) Tecumseh's colors have changed midway during recording of the FL (this option means that this was likely our first look at Charlemagne's colors as well)
b) Color jerseys in game took from civs instead of leaders, and this changed midway during recording of the FL (but why use two builds at all?)
c) third option, the most fun one - there is a setting, either available to players or just debug, to switch between the civs' and leaders' color jersey
I have one bigger theory regarding colors though. The basis for it hidden in Maurya and Mongolia game guide. Notice something similar? It's the accents, they're in the same beige color, so could this mean there's a Mughal leader?
Also, Hawaii, as well as Majapahit, seems to be led by Trung Trac in the game guide.
All this of course is completely irrelevant, but I like analysing things and really there's nothing better to pick apart. Merry Christmas.
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Well, no, but I’m sure it’s possible to come up with more than 26 unique palettes. Like, take ROYGBIV, then account for distinct variations for all those colors (burgundy/pink/hot rod red, etc, instead of just “red”) then multiply what number by itself to account for the secondary colors and presto.
Even if you have 4 leaders with a primary color of “red,” one could be Red+Orange, another could be Red+Teal, another could be Pink+Cream, another could be Burgundy+Lime.
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