So has Firaxis given up on BE?

[Agent327]

Seeing as Starhsips is now being released in an apparent bid to try and mitigate the fail that was BE, I don't think that's even being contemplated.

The whole point of this thread is to enquire whether Firaxis are finished with Civ BE or not.

Simple question: Are they finished with Civ 4 Colonization?

 

[Gorbles]

Agent327, do you think Starships was magically cooked up since October to try and "save" BE? They'll have been working on it for much longer than that.

 

[Kutuzov]

Simple question: Are they finished with Civ 4 Colonization?

Of course they are

But this is Civ BE and not Civ4Col.

 

[Kutuzov]

I didn't mean they should fix the game, I meant that they should fix the structures that led to this release.

Ah, I see what you meant then. My bad. But then, there's no reason to believe that they haven't learned something from their experience and you're merely stating the obvious. "Don't spill wine on that tie. It might stain".

(Let's see who gets the media reference.)

edit to add this:

There are games that have a ton more features and systems on Release than even BNW had,

I forgot to ask you which games you had in mind when you wrote this. Paradox games by any chance?

 

[Agent327]

Agent327, do you think Starships was magically cooked up since October to try and "save" BE? They'll have been working on it for much longer than that.

I said released.

Of course they are

But this is Civ BE and not Civ4Col.

So? Is anything being anounced that BE will be magically fixed?

 

[Hail]

The whole point of this thread is to enquire whether Firaxis are finished with Civ BE or not. Nobody is saying that they shouldn't fix their game.

I am saying! Spending money to fix civ:be does not provide the maximum bang for the buck.
right now, imho their money will be better spend on Spaceships.

 

[Kutuzov]

So? Is anything being anounced that BE will be magically fixed?

No. But what does that actually tell you? You are assuming that the lack of communication means that there will be no further support. You may be right or you may be wrong. I can't answer you because I'm in the same boat as you. I am simply of the opinion that they're not finished with it yet. Time will prove which one of us is right and the other wrong. But until that time comes, for all your bluster, you don't know and I don't know.

 

[Kutuzov]

I am saying! Spending money to fix civ:be does not provide the maximum bang for the buck.
right now, imho their money will be better spend on Spaceships.

Not saying that you're wrong. If they pull support on Civ BE we will know that you were correct but if they don't and continue to support it, that means that they see that it is worth investing their time in doing so.

Whatever else you might think about Firaxis, they seem to be smart on the money side of things. Civ V was a massive success for them in spite of the accusations made following on its release that it was nothing but a cynical cash grab and that they wouldn't support their broken game. Even that they should start work on Civ 6 Instead, we got patches and two expansions.

 

[Ryika]

Well, if they pull support from BE, then their next games should better be flawless at release, because if they're not then they can be sure that I'll not be buying them at all, because I can't know they don't pull support from them, too.

Luckily though, steam-db shows activity and there are no signs of them abandoning the game.

 

[player1 fanatic]

My biggest issue with BtW is not that they are patching slowly. Its that they are still breaking things with the patches, and not hotfixing asap those things they break.

Due to this, I refused to play a single patched game of BtE until they officially fix quest system.

Unfortunately that means waiting at least 2 months each tome they break something. I just hope they dont break something else in next update, otherwise it would be a looong wait. There are alwasy other games to play.

 

[Gorbles]

I said released.

What's the difference in what you said?

They were going to release Starships regardless of how good or bad you think BE is, and regardless of your personal opinions on post-release support. Just like they were developing it alongside development of BE, regardless of how well BE did.

 

[Minor Annoyance]

I said released.

That doesn't make any sense. We're they NOT going to release it had CivBe not received harsh criticism? If CivBe had been a huge success you could just as easily argue they were releasing it to capitalize on that success. If you can argue totally opposite reasons then likely neither are true.

So? Is anything being anounced that BE will be magically fixed?

Why is sorcery needed?
When they do further develop the game I doubt you'll eat your cynicism. Back when people were saying cv5 failed and they were likely moving straight to civ 6 I don't recall anyone ever coming back to say "wow was I wrong". Maybe they griped for a month or two and never came back to the game. Maybe they enjoy the game eventually but were too embarrassed to come back and eat crowd. Maybe they kept posting but just changed their opinion and no one noticed. I know I didn't pay much attention to who was who. They all sounded the same and blended together so it's quite possible they stuck around with the people they once ridiculed for not hating the game and just changed their tune.

I will note now that I was wrong about Spore, SimCity, and Master of Orion 3. Those games were not supposed. However I never went back to say so on any message board. Who has time to chat about a game they don't like?

 

[WarpCircuits]

Honestly I think they should make DLC that fixes many of the problems in the vanilla game, then sell it for like 20-30 dollars.

Even though it's a rip off we'd both win, them for money, us for the fix.

 

[Agent327]

Well, no DLC is being announced. Meanwhile BE has been on sale twice laready within months of its first release. It's simply not doing well - to say the least.

No. But what does that actually tell you? You are assuming that the lack of communication means that there will be no further support.

Actually, you're the one assuming. I only mentioned it.

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What's the difference in what you said?

They were going to release Starships regardless of how good or bad you think BE is, and regardless of your personal opinions on post-release support. Just like they were developing it alongside development of BE, regardless of how well BE did.

The difference is timing. and if they're going to release Starships ahead of time as they did BE, that doesn't bode well now, does it.

That doesn't make any sense. We're they NOT going to release it had CivBe not received harsh criticism? If CivBe had been a huge success you could just as easily argue they were releasing it to capitalize on that success. If you can argue totally opposite reasons then likely neither are true.

Actually, that doesn't make sense applies perfectly to that last argument. But see above, as neither is being argued by me.

 

[Hail]

Not saying that you're wrong. If they pull support on Civ BE we will know that you were correct but if they don't and continue to support it, that means that they see that it is worth investing their time in doing so.

Whatever else you might think about Firaxis, they seem to be smart on the money side of things. Civ V was a massive success for them in spite of the accusations made following on its release that it was nothing but a cynical cash grab and that they wouldn't support their broken game. Even that they should start work on Civ 6 Instead, we got patches and two expansions.

civ5 is a massive success. I wonder why Firaxis chose to stop capitalizing on this success. probably it is a sign that civ6 is on the horizon.

Firaxis releases a new civ game every five years. I expect to hear something about civ6 in the summer and I expect to see a release in Q4 2015. Starships is tailored to the mobile crowd.

This does not leave much time for civ:be. civ:be's window of oppurtunity is at most a semester. why bother? a smart move on Firaxis's part is to release the dll code in the hopes that some brave soul corrects most of the civ:be's shortcomings in a mod.

If CivBe had been a huge success you could just as easily argue they were releasing it to capitalize on that success.

emphasis is mine. that was the plan

Back when people were saying cv5 failed and they were likely moving straight to civ 6 I don't recall anyone ever coming back to say "wow was I wrong".

However I never went back to say so on any message board. Who has time to chat about a game they don't like?

 

[Eji1700]

It's pretty simple in my eyes:

With civ V they managed to build up some of my trust. Civ V did not look even remotely interesting on launch, and they put a ton of time and effort into it, and now I own it and most of the expansions, and still enjoy it to this day.

Because of this, I broke my usual rule, and gave BE a shot on launch. I see just as much potential in it and hope they iron out all the issues it has because it could be great, and it wouldn't take too much.

However, if they just release starships, and don't change BE, I'll see that as them cashing out on my trust, and i'll be done. If they can't patch/work on their games, then I won't be purchasing them.

 

[Gorbles]

Well, no DLC is being announced. Meanwhile BE has been on sale twice laready within months of its first release. It's simply not doing well - to say the least.

. . .

The difference is timing. and if they're going to release Starships ahead of time as they did BE, that doesn't bode well now, does it.

1. Plenty of other games have also been on sale. Brand-new releases were being discounting in the Steam Winter Sale due to the huge effect Steam has on game sales (it's warping the economics of the industry, personally). This alone doesn't tell us much.

2. Release what ahead of time? I didn't realise BE was released ahead of schedule, nor have I read anything about Starships being released early either. Have I missed something?

 

[Minor Annoyance]

A lot of these assumptions seem to be based on the premise that Firaxis is evil and is out to screw us, and then work backwards from that to find evidence. A lot of this evidence is only evidence if you've already assumed Firaxis is evil.

 

[NASAROG]

A lot of these assumptions seem to be based on the premise that Firaxis is evil and is out to screw us, and then work backwards from that to find evidence. A lot of this evidence is only evidence if you've already assumed Firaxis is evil.

I don't think Firaxis is evil. EA, they might be, but not Firaxis. I also do not think that the game is abandoned.

 

[JokerJace]

My biggest issue with BtW is not that they are patching slowly. Its that they are still breaking things with the patches, and not hotfixing asap those things they break.

Due to this, I refused to play a single patched game of BtE until they officially fix quest system.

Unfortunately that means waiting at least 2 months each tome they break something. I just hope they dont break something else in next update, otherwise it would be a looong wait. There are alwasy other games to play.

Agreed, that's entirely pathetic and unacceptable. I'm astonished by how little hate firaxis gets for this. Personally though, I still think they're patching way too slowly in general. The community of no other game would keep that calm. One tenative patch that ignored many issues and didn't do ANYTHING about the shallow feeling of this game. Many FUNDAMENTAL bugs have not even been acknowledged yet, 4 months after release... I mean... COME ON!!! Isn't firaxis supposed to be a major developer?! I really hope their reputation suffers from this! It would be appropriate.

It's pretty simple in my eyes:

With civ V they managed to build up some of my trust. Civ V did not look even remotely interesting on launch, and they put a ton of time and effort into it, and now I own it and most of the expansions, and still enjoy it to this day.

Because of this, I broke my usual rule, and gave BE a shot on launch. I see just as much potential in it and hope they iron out all the issues it has because it could be great, and it wouldn't take too much.

However, if they just release starships, and don't change BE, I'll see that as them cashing out on my trust, and i'll be done. If they can't patch/work on their games, then I won't be purchasing them.

My thoughts exactly. If they release Starships while BE is still a pathetic pile of crap, I'm done with firaxis.