So who won the VP Debate?

[Ecofarm]

Me (after the first wink): I think the Republicans' strategy is to nominate a good-looking woman and win the election by having her flirt with us. Is that going to work with you, honey?

I was like: *Sigh* I really liked it. I'm a base creature. I was so dissapointed in myself.

Anyway, I have a system for voting. There are three possible points that both sides can get:

1. Not incumbant (no incumbants in this one, no points there).
2. Woman
3. Green (neither are getting a green point from me).

McCain wins 1 - 0, maybe 1 - 0.3

I'm a three issue voter.

 

[I'm Cleo!]

Ecofarm,

So why aren't you voting for Cynthia McKinney and Rosa Clemente? They beat everyone with your metrics.

Cleo

 

[Ecofarm]

McKinney too terrible, I just cannot. Good call though. If the greens were running a reasonable woman, I might.

Anyway, she doesn't get the 'woman in office' point because she has no chance of changing the party's standing (let alone taking office). They do not get the woman or green point if they cannot get 5% (at least 2%). I do not know if she is personally green. I just know she smacks cops; I wish they tased her.

The point system works best when you are looking at the voting ballot with a choice between two. You need to know who is incumbant and who is green (if any) from the paper the day before.

McKinney would be on my ballot and perhaps even get my vote :barf: if I thought there was a slight chance of her getting 5%.

Nader got a point for green in 2000, but not 2004. He has a personal history of promoting consumer awareness. For me, that's at least a socio-economic environmental issue even if he doesn't give a damn about plants or animals.

So, McCain - Obama was 0 - 0 and I needed an RvW challenge to stay repub maybe. Needless to say, I am very pleased with his choice.

 

[MamboJoel]

Very poor debates. These are not debates anyway. If, when put in front of your own contradictions (ie Biden saying Obama isn't ready etc...), it's not mandatory for you to give an explanation: it's not a debate. It's just two speeches held in the same place at the same time.
Biden had only one option: no attack on Palin, everything on McCain, which he did.
Palin did an excellent job telling she and John McCain, John McCain, John McCain, John McCain, John McCain, John McCain, John McCain and John McCain will do what is best for America, will make the job done, and a bunch of other populist crap that a bunch of americans would like to hear again and again.

 

[Rashiminos]

Ok, "any of the three top third parties" does not count as a reasonable answer to "Who should be the frontrunner?" as their politics are vastly different. Your position/answer is basically "Anybody except anybody who could win." or "the first 6 people I could think of that are possibly able to run".

Care to refine the response?

Someone needs coffee...

I would have thought my multiple choices of candidates would have hinted at a state of Undecided.

Anyways, the embarrassment in Iraq is a prime focus for me, and the previously mentioned candidates are above the GOP and jacks in that category. Iraqis deserve autonomy if they are to be truly democratic.

For your convenience, please consider the order they were listed in above as the order of my preference if I had to vote today.

Republicans and Democrats also haven't shown proper respect for budgeting in at least the last 8 years...

 

[Ecofarm]

@mambo:

If her populist rhetoric was "crap", sup wit your title?

For your convenience, please consider the order they were listed in above as the order of my preference if I had to vote today. -Rash

So you are voting third party but you are not an issue voter, except hating the mainstream. Right? Most of those platforms directly contradict each other.

 

[Rashiminos]

@mambo:

If her populist rhetoric was "crap", sup wit your title?



So you are voting third party but you are not an issue voter, except hating the mainstream. Right? Most of those platforms directly contradict each other.

Would you like to point out some of the contradictions that you take issue with?

 

[MamboJoel]

@mambo:
If her populist rhetoric was "crap", sup wit your title?

Sorry I don't understand what you're talking about. Kind of like when not understanding the causes of global warming and pretending to "clean America".

John McCain and I are going to clean America

 

[Ecofarm]

There was alot of right-wing rhetoric besides energy policy. Certainly it could not have all been crap if you are actually right wing even a little.

Was there anything you agreed with?

The debates are pure garbage and her rhetoric is too?

So, she said McCain alot. You're not the first person to notice. Is there anything else in your post?

 

[MamboJoel]

So, she said McCain alot. You're not the first person to notice. Is there anything else in your post?

There wasn't much in the debate...
As I said, Biden concentrated his attacks on McCain, focusing on making him a Bush ersatz. The rules of the "debate" allowed him to avoid giving an explanation on his former willingness to be a member of a McCain administration.
Palin's rhetoric is simplistic, demagogic and populist (beeing right or left wing doesn't matter), and overall intellectually insulting towards people like John Adams, Theodore Roosevelt or Richard Nixon (etc...) that served as VP.

 

[Bill3000]

@mambo:

If her populist rhetoric was "crap", sup wit your title?

He's a French right-winger (and thus a liberal in the US). Self explanatory.

 

[Rashiminos]

There was alot of right-wing rhetoric besides energy policy. Certainly it could not have all been crap if you are actually right wing even a little.

Was there anything you agreed with?

The debates are pure garbage and her rhetoric is too?

So, she said McCain alot. You're not the first person to notice. Is there anything else in your post?

It's interesting to note how enthusiastic she is about the war in Iraq (white flag comment at Biden), but when it comes to paying for it, she does not hesitate to pass the bill elsewhere (tax cuts).

 

[MamboJoel]

He's a French right-winger (and thus a liberal in the US). Self explanatory.

When having to support the death penalty, give credit to ID, be against women rights, gay rights, and beeing concerned by other pueril pathetic under-the-belt considerations is required to be a right-winger in the US aswell then, indeed, I can only consider my self an American "liberal".

edit: cause I'm American too btw

 

[emzie]

Is anyone suggesting Obama, also with only 1 term, should wait tables?

Nah, he should go back to pickin' cotton.

 

[raketooy]

From what I saw Palin wasn't as bad as I thought she would be.

 

[Rashiminos]

From what I saw Palin wasn't as bad as I thought she would be.

You must have thought she was a monster.

Speaking of monstrosities, how about the 450+ page monster that the Senate just voted on?

 

[Ecofarm]

she does not hesitate to pass the bill elsewhere (tax cuts).

It is not passing the bill. It is investing in the means to pay for it. I'd rather have the money in the hands of the people, instead of the government, when we need to make money and get things done. We can all vote for action with our dollars and our ballots. It's a win win.

If the budget gets so tight that we need war bonds, then voting with your dollar can change the war.

Let's see deep cuts in every program.

 

[Elrohir]

I have to say Palin lost, and Biden won. Biden loses a letter grade, though (While we're on the school marks thing) for flat out lying about the funding levels of Afghanistan versus Iraq. Check it out here (PDF) or anywhere else if you like - the US has spent lots more money in Iraq than Afghanistan, but we don't spend more in Iraq in 3 weeks than in 1 month in Afghanistan - according to his figures, that'd be $750 million since 2001. Fact is, we've spent over $172 billion there. He understated the true figure by what, 99.6%?

 

[Rashiminos]

It is not passing the bill. It is investing in the means to pay for it. I'd rather have the money in the hands of the people, instead of the government, when we need to make money and get things done. We can all vote for action with our dollars and our ballots. It's a win win.

If the budget gets so tight that we need war bonds, then voting with your dollar can change the war.

Let's see deep cuts in every program.

I'd rathered see the people interested in government program X pay for it with taxes than to see the government borrow money. As it is, foreign (China, Russia, etc) bankers support the war in Iraq more than some Americans who say they are for it.

Having the means to pay, and actually paying are different things. Tax cuts don't directly help pay for wars.

 

[Ecofarm]

I never said the Chinese were all bad.

Tax cuts help the economy in the long term. Long term economies pay for war.