Solstice

[Blue Emu]

Woodstock, New Brunswick, Canada

Sunrise : 07:10 AM
Sunset : 03:47 PM

Length of day : 8 hours 37 minutes

 

[Berzerker]

What did Isaiah have to say and why does it preclude a reference to the next age when Virgo will rise on the autumnal equinox opposite the fish? We have imagery for our next age, Aquarius the water-bearer... And we may even have prophecies too, just like they had prophecies back then about their coming "new age". But back then both the Fish and the Virgin were relevant, they were opposites on the Zodiac just as Leo will be opposite Aquarius in our future.

I dont know what you mean by the Hebrews having a different zodiac, are you saying the Hebrews and Greeks didn't both know about Pisces the Fish and Aries the Ram? Of course the Hebrews had earlier access to Babylonian/Chaldean astronomy but the Greeks acquired that knowledge long before Jesus showed up.

 

[Blue Emu]

A bit OT, but...

Why isn't Ophiucus one of the classical Zodiacal constellations? It spans three times as much of the physical Zodiac as Scorpio does.

 

[timtofly]

Pagans have been celebrating the 3 day resurrection of the sun long before Jesus, so the concept certainly was not foreign to the early Christians... So did Christians adopt that pagan belief too? Prior to Jesus' death, if anyone mentioned resurrection they'd probably identify their solar rituals. Even those earliest of Christians knew the significance of the solstice, they were most definitely into astrology - the fish being Pisces of course.

Maybe because Jesus actually lived and died? His death was right before the Passover Feast that marked the origional one in Egypt. The Passover was no longer needed, since God through Jesus finished the process.

The Jews did have the tradition though, that resurrection can only occur after 3 days. It is quite possible from that perspective alone, that Jesus did not die, but was just resuscitated. His body had to be buried for 3 days to prove that it was a ressurection and not a hoax. It is only by coincidence, or the fact that "God's" only rise after 3 days, or they would not be considered a God. The 25th is 3 days after the death of the sun, thus Sol is celebrated on the 25th, in true reverence to raising from the dead after 3 days.

So if there is any link it is in the 3day "fact" itself and not the date. What is strange about the "Church" and pagan celebrations IMO, is the fact that the "Church" did not keep the Jewish feast, but it did adopt the pagan rituals. In fact it seems that it totally destroyed the 3 day concept and the Feast of the Passover, by moving the "cross" to Friday instead of Wednesday (the day before the Thursday Passover of 34 AD).

 

[_random_]

What did Isaiah have to say

"Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."

and why does it preclude a reference to the next age when Virgo will rise on the autumnal equinox opposite the fish?

Absolutely nothing, since whatever that is it's entirely irrelevant in Abrahamic religion.

I dont know what you mean by the Hebrews having a different zodiac, are you saying the Hebrews and Greeks didn't both know about Pisces the Fish and Aries the Ram? Of course the Hebrews had earlier access to Babylonian/Chaldean astronomy but the Greeks acquired that knowledge long before Jesus showed up.

And why should you assume that this has anything to do with Jesus? You can't analyze a historical figure the same way you would a mythic one, even if you don't think the accounts of his life are accurate. If I were reading a biography of Jefferson Davis by some traitor fapping over how awesome he was, I wouldn't analyze it the same way I would a story about Heracles.

 

[Berzerker]

Jesus = Immanuel? I dont think so... I've already explained what it has to do with Jesus, he's the sacrificial lamb of God born of a virgin ushering in the age of the fish - thats all zodiacal language. You're mistaken if you think the Jews didn't observe the Zodiac or a different one from the Greeks.

 

[_random_]

Immanuel means "God with us." Astrology has generally been frowned upon in Hebrew culture, and you still have yet to justify analyzing a historical figure as you would a mythical one.

 

[Berzerker]

God was with us before Jesus showed up and his name is not Immanuel anyway (nor did Jesus claim to be God), but I'm not talking about astrology. This is basic astronomy to ancient peoples all over the world and not only did the ancient Hebrews use the lunar calendar from Nippur, Genesis says God made lights in the sky to serve for signs and timekeeping, etc . The Ram (the "age" of Aries) was giving way to the age of the Fish (Pisces) in the time of Jesus just as the Ram would replace Taurus the Bull around the time of Abram. If you're interested in the subject I'd suggest the book Hamlet's Mill, it delves into the matter of precession and how it became part of our cultures. I never said Jesus was mythical or historical, that dont matter to the Great Gig in the Sky...

Btw, if God keeps making new deals with people every time a new age rolls around, maybe Aquarius will be a new deal.

 

[timtofly]

God was with us before Jesus showed up and his name is not Immanuel anyway (nor did Jesus claim to be God), but I'm not talking about astrology. This is basic astronomy to ancient peoples all over the world and not only did the ancient Hebrews use the lunar calendar from Nippur, Genesis says God made lights in the sky to serve for signs and timekeeping, etc . The Ram (the "age" of Aries) was giving way to the age of the Fish (Pisces) in the time of Jesus just as the Ram would replace Taurus the Bull around the time of Abram. If you're interested in the subject I'd suggest the book Hamlet's Mill, it delves into the matter of precession and how it became part of our cultures. I never said Jesus was mythical or historical, that dont matter to the Great Gig in the Sky...

Btw, if God keeps making new deals with people every time a new age rolls around, maybe Aquarius will be a new deal.

The mayans also thought that all bets are off in 2012, and they did not even make it to 1700. Hold on, the world may still end for 10 million people scattered through the America's. If God exist, then technically He is still with us, but we cannot see Him in the Flesh. God is not for nor against astrology. God said that He did not want the Jews to be affected by it. God later told a Jew, that everything was ok, as long as God made it "clean". In fact there are orthodox Jews to this day that are looking for Immanuel. Jesus is literally not God in the flesh to them one iota. In fact the Jews are still looking for a sign. Scientist are still looking for knowledge. Common people are still searching for wisdom. Life goes on.

The church was told that in the end there would be 144,000 Jews who would see God in the Flesh again. There are still prophecies in the Bible that have not been fulfilled, even ones that cannot be explained, because we have not gained the knowledge to explain them. We even have the ability to throw out the Bible, and reject it. Even that was told in the Bible. There would be a period where men would only be persuaded by faith and faith alone. Signs and wonders are not evil, but they are a natural projection of that which cannot be explained by nature or man's knowledge.