Something is rotten in Denmark? I mean... Malmo

[luiz]

Ah, another example- the disparaging use of "political correctness" to dismiss the issue, despite the fact that this stretches an already over-used to term far past breaking point. You just keep making my point for me, doncha?

No, you keep making my point by insisting on your threadjack and judgement of words and expressions as opposed to addressing the actual topic.

The actual topic is gang violence in Malmo. Apparently this topic makes some people uncomfortable, so they resort to discussions over words, faked outrage over expressions used, and threadjacking in general.

What have you written on this thread about the actual subject?

It was also demonstrably incorrect, so how you reconcile the two, I've no idea.

Noun
rant (plural rants)
1. A criticism done by ranting.
2. A wild, incoherent, emotional articulation.

Definition #2 seems spot on to me. There's no minimum amount of lines that must be reached for something to qualify as a rant, apparently.

 

[kochman]

Because it illustrates and promotes your community's values.

I just want to make sure I understand with what you are saying.
You are saying, if the local people protested against the "not snitching" culture, which you believe to be universal basically in such poor neighborhoods, that it would go away?
Those two points almost seem counter to each other...
If this culture is universal, how is protesting going to effect it?

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

Isn't that more relevant in black American areas rather than in Sweden? Is there a "snitching" stigma amongst immigrants in Sweden?

They have extremely tight ethnic enclaves that are loyal to themselves. You would never snitch on someone from your own community but gladly send a rival communities leader to prison. A lot of the buisness run by these groups is fully legal. They have taken over the restaurants in most of Sweden.

The ethnic conflicts aren't Swedes vs immigrants, they are immigrants vs immigrants. Assyrians hate muslims fanatically. In the Assyrian areas there are absolutely no muslims while a christian from Egypt is more than welcome. Serbs and other groups from that region hate each other passionately.

 

[Traitorfish]

No, you keep making my point by insisting on your threadjack and judgement of words and expressions as opposed to addressing the actual topic.

The actual topic is gang violence in Malmo. Apparently this topic makes some people uncomfortable, so they resort to discussions over words, faked outrage over expressions used, and threadjacking in general.

How is disputing a given interpretation of the events, and the presentation of that interpretation, a departure from the topic? That seems to me an entirely necessary aspect of any discussion.

What have you written on this thread about the actual subject?

Bugger all, because I have nothing to contribute.

I'm sorry, where you expecting something else?

Noun
rant (plural rants)
1. A criticism done by ranting.
2. A wild, incoherent, emotional articulation.

Definition #2 seems spot on to me. There's no minimum amount of lines that must be reached for something to qualify as a rant, apparently.

There's a practical minimum for something to actually qualify as "incoherent", though, and given that Useless' comments amounted to:

...Why do you insist on calling it an "Intifada"?

Don't you get it Verbose? Iraqi's and Palestinians are nearly exactly the same, despite having a different language, culture, political climate...

It must be because they're Muslims, I guess. Or Foreign.

Which is one question, and one sarcastic remark, I don't think that it fits.

 

[luiz]

How is disputing a given interpretation of the events, and the presentation of that interpretation, a departure from the topic? That seems to me an entirely necessary aspect of any discussion.

It can be at most an useful appendix of a discussion, when done in good faith. In this case (and in most cases on CFC, really), it's a deliberate attempt to shift the focus from the actual debate itself to a thinly veiled attack on one of the debaters.

Bugger all, because I have nothing to contribute.

I'm sorry, where you expecting something else?

Well, yeah.

There's a practical minimum for something to actually qualify as "incoherent", though, and given that Useless' comments amounted to:


Which is one question, and one sarcastic remark, I don't think that it fits.

And I think it fits the definition nicely... and if it didn't, who gives a damn, and how is this relevant to the present discussion?

 

[aelf]

You don't think that it's important to hold people accountable for the words they use?

Remember, you're asking this question to someone who labels the act of throwing a roll of tape at the political opposition "fascism". Fortunately, I'm not politically correct enough not to remind you of this important detail.

 

[Loppan Torkel]

OK. So why do you call it an "Intifada"?

Why not? I'm sure some of the perpetrators draw their own parallels. It really wasn't much more thought behind it. What political agenda do you see behind it?

You are considering Israeli policies comparable to Swedish? Because that's the only framework I can think of that would provide "enough resemblance" for it (which I frankly cannot see)?

Not at all comparable, but still similar actions.

I tend to agree with your other post, although to me it's obvious that religion and cultural background also play a significant role in the chances of being integrated in a new society.

As he says, "for his own purposes." It's politically convenient for him to label it as such, and he feels it's close enough to get away with it.

I guess, but perhaps not as deliberately political as you make it out to be. Was the term "Intifada" used in such a way that I had to get away with it? Considering the many other posts in this thread with frequent insinuations and lack of substance, it's a bit surprising. It's just another easy way, for those inclined, to draw attention from the real topic in this thread, as Luiz also has pointed out.

 

[ParkCungHee]

I think people complaining about getting off topic is just a way for people to covertly get off topic.

 

[Tahuti]

The ethnic conflicts aren't Swedes vs immigrants, they are immigrants vs immigrants. Assyrians hate muslims fanatically. In the Assyrian areas there are absolutely no muslims while a christian from Egypt is more than welcome. Serbs and other groups from that region hate each other passionately.

So why do you care? You're not an immigrant yourself, nor part of what you'd call an "ethnic enclave" are you?

Just curious.

 

[Racsoviale]

Yet more evidence that Sweden should again join Denmark in Union.

Oh dont worry about that, we have been breeding the swedes out of Malmø since the Øresund bridge was built. And then its only a matter of time before danish aristocracy once again can take over their rightful belongings

Honestly our neighbours should be wary of our bridgebuilding schemes(im looking at you Germany and Norway) it might be called infrastructural expansion and creating commerce but it is infact more akin to what the Isrealies fear the Palestinians are doing to them

 

[AL_DA_GREAT]

So why do you care? You're not an immigrant yourself, nor part of what you'd call an "ethnic enclave" are you?

Just curious.

1) I still care about this place, I don't want ghettoes and gangs taking over cities in my country.

2) I live very close to a turkish ethnic enclave. A few months ago I heard several people shooting with assault rifles a few hundred meters from my house. This bothers me.

3) The enclaves are usually very safe. No one craps where they eat. The gangs protect their enclaves and go to other areas to commit crime.

 

[Hygro]

I just want to make sure I understand with what you are saying.
You are saying, if the local people protested against the "not snitching" culture, which you believe to be universal basically in such poor neighborhoods, that it would go away?
Those two points almost seem counter to each other...
If this culture is universal, how is protesting going to effect it?

Actually I said it's a common thing regardless of poverty and regardless of race. In my aforementioned example, there were a number of grown folk who had advocated that people "stay out of it". If the community supports a "protect yourself, don't get involved/don't snitch" then that community is not going have its murders solved. But if a community puts the pressure on people and the support for their coming forward with testimony, then murders will get solved. Don't confuse "common" with "a universal law of human behavior".

 

[kochman]

And, are they protesting this there?

I just don't see this as being as effective as you do, perhaps.