Stay the course.

[Tomoyo]

I think the key word is "if"...

He's saying "If we want this to happen, we should do this, but we don't want to do this because doing this would not work, so we should not do this anyway because less people we care about die that way."

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

The fact that it makes sense to you is why I'm complaining. "We need more troops. Don't send more troops" just doesn't fly logically. You can not have more and less at the same time.

How about this: we'd need more troops but we shouldn't send more innocent young kids to die for no real point? Do you understand that?

 

[Red Stranger]

How about this: we'd need more troops but we shouldn't send more innocent young kids to die for no real point? Do you understand that?

I get it. It's like that episode of The Cottage, where the father knew that he should tell his kid to stay off the ice, but didn't, and the kid ended up with hypothermia. Very convincing.

 

[Psyringe]

Hmm, thinking about it ... could this thread help to understand why simple, one-dimensional messages such as "carry on regardless" find more support among certain people than any attempts to actually assess a situation from more than one perspective?

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I get it. It's like that episode of The Cottage, where the father knew that he should tell his kid to stay off the ice, but didn't, and the kid ended up with hypothermia. Very convincing.

Your analogy makes no sense whatsoever. You are completely nonsensical. I was going to type out exactly what you would have to have said in order for that to make sense, but there's no point.

 

[blackheart]

North King is saying we need more troops to do anything, BUT it's going to cost us more than its worth. Honestly Red Stranger, how do you expect to go to "Harvard" if you can't comprehend simple grammar?

 

[GenMarshall]

Tis better to avoid the iceberg than to hit it .

 

[Rhymes]

Red Stranger: I don't know if you watch too much Fox news or if you were raised this way, but I think you really need to get some perspective on your political opinions. From numerous thread you implied things that made absolutely no sense, a little like Ann Coulter does.

It's not a liberal vs conservative thing (cuz I,m not either one), I know some pro Bush conservatives who can put forward strong arguments, but I really think you should take a couple of minutes just to question what you think you know about politics and try to figure out if it really makes sense.

Try to see both sides of the coin.

 

[warpus]

Red Stranger argues in rhetoric. Everyone else in this thread has been using logic.

This is the source of the conflict.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I'm starting to think that somewhere Red Stranger.exe hit a bug and has gone into an infinite loop...

 

[Erik Mesoy]

You know what's funny. the Bush administration saying "Stay the Course,"

Bush has never been "Stay the course". Never. Not since 1984, at least.

linky

Gootube linky for the media-impaired

 

[MamboJoel]

Bush has never been "Stay the course". Never. Not since 1984, at least.

linky

Gootube linky for the media-impaired

Very interesting. He said :
"We've Never Been Stay The Course, we've been... We will complete the mission"
Why can't he say what "we've been" doing?

Like all politicians. Instead of taking his responsibilities for his actions (good or bad, but controversial) this guy will always prefere obfuscating the past.

They're all the same. How can you guys like them ?

 

[CurtSibling]

The program Iraq.exe is full of bugs and needs more than just a hastily-made patch.

It needs removed via Add/Remove Current US Government...

...

 

[Jawz II]

yey, a RS thread! i was starting to miss you and your threads man.

You know what's funny. Liberals make fun of the Bush administration for saying "Stay the Course," but they're opposed to NOT staying the course. When someone says, let's pack up our bags and go, they say, "no, you broke it you have to fix it." When someone else says, let's increase the troop level, they say "no you can't do that." They'll quote generals that say we need more troops in Iraq, then they'll turn around and say we need to pull out. How can we have more and less at the same time? Isn't it just living a fantasy?

how can someone be opposed to staying the course and at the same time NOT staying the course? you cant avoid both at the same time, either you are on course to somewhere or you arent. you must be thinking of different people with different ideas.

democrats (which i assume is what you meant when you wrote "liberal") dont have a single collective mind like bees do, different people, different ideas.

when generals say we need more troops, what they mean is the number of troops we have cant provide security so what we have going right now isnt working, which is a great arguement for pulling out all troops.

the only fantasy is in oreillys head and he has infected you too dude, and that fantasy is that democrats are irrational loudmouths, of course coming from the likes of oreily and the evangelical christians its a compliment.

[EDIT: about the if you break it you buy it, well bush defenitly did break it, but what he is doing now is breaking more and more for everyday that goes by and people are shredded by bombs, both the insurgents and US airforces bombs. so a pullout is all that remains.]

 

[Bad Player]

of course coming from the likes of oreily and the evangelical christians its a compliment.

Christian bashing ITT.

Hey this thread rocks!

Also M****** have sex with animals. Rite guys? Rite?

IT'S ALL ON IN THIS THREAD NOW!

 

[storealex]

I love you red stranger!

 

[Jawz II]

Christian bashing ITT.

Hey this thread rocks!

Also M****** have sex with animals. Rite guys? Rite?

IT'S ALL ON IN THIS THREAD NOW!

i understand the first line, the rest of it i couldnt translate if my life depended on it.

christian bashing (actually i dunno what ITT means, so thats almost all of the 1st line i got.)

saying religion is irrational isnt the same thing as bashing it, the religious people that i respect (honets ones) would admit its about spirituality and not rational thoughts and facts.

evangelical christians are a whole other ballgame, theyre the ones who want kids to learn creationism in schools.

 

[Cheezy the Wiz]

Your use of the word "but" doesn't change anything. You're still saying we should do this, but we're going to do the opposite.

No, it makes perfect sense.

We need more troops in Iraq to finish the job right.

We do not have the money to send more troops to Iraq.

Thus, we have to maximize the effectiveness of the troops we CAN afford to send (those would be the ones already there), so that it doesn't completely go to crap.

If that doesn't make sense to you, I'm afraid you're hopeless.

Note that I'm not asking if you agree with the statements, simply that you comprehend the meaning behind them; where people who say that are coming from.

 

[Bad Player]

i understand the first line, the rest of it i couldnt translate if my life depended on it.

christian bashing (actually i dunno what ITT means, so thats almost all of the 1st line i got.)

saying religion is irrational isnt the same thing as bashing it, the religious people that i respect (honets ones) would admit its about spirituality and not rational thoughts and facts.

evangelical christians are a whole other ballgame, theyre the ones who want kids to learn creationism in schools.

ITT = In This Thread

The rest of the post was sarcastic.

 

[GinandTonic]

Red I believe what people are saying is that we have three options -

1 - Massivly increase troop levels to the point where the current stratagy is viable.

2 - Keep the situation as is. This is widly considered the worst possible option since the status quo sucks a big one for all involved.

3 - Pull out of direct land operations. Remain only to operate training, CAS, intel, logistical and possibly heavy armour as required.

The point you fail to grasp is that most people realise that option two is awful and we face an either/ or choice between 1 and 3.

Personially I think reducing it to a puerly military soloution will not work since the key factors are political. Want to stop the fighting you have to remove the will to fight of the insurgents, the external support for the fighters and their revenue streams.