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alex994 said:
The problem is getting into Mongolia while your own cities are being besieged and sacked and your farms and fields being destroyed and plundered....

You act too predictably. If their own women and children are threatened, do you think they will wait around besieging your little cities? And if they did, then couldn't you fall on their rear as they besieged?
 
North King said:
You act too predictably. If their own women and children are threatened, do you think they will wait around besieging your little cities? And if they did, then couldn't you fall on their rear as they besieged?

*shakes head and goes off mumbling about being in character as a Chinese person*
 
If it's not too late... I think it may be time for a Mongolian nation to rise.

Nation: Mongolia
Government: Monarchy
Capital: Ulaan Baatar
Ruler: King Kublai / ZanyPlebeian
Economy: Stable
Army: 500 Spearmen, 500 Archers
Navy: 50 Galleys
Culture: 1
Education: 0
Wonders:
Notes: Being located in the Gobi desert, the Mogolian people have been for ages forced into a nomadic lifestyle. Recently, though, various warring tribes have been united by the (somewhat) benevolent King Kublai, and he is bent on building an Empire.

(Can I trade some galleys for land units, since Mongolia is essentially landlocked?)
 
historically, the one person who had real success against the steppe ppl is Li Mu (warring states period). What do people think of his strategy/tactic?
 
An excerpt from the chronicle of the Conquering of Rashka, taken down in 986 BC from the words of Brasidas, Spartan general, by Alexandros, scribe of the Spartan court.

After we landed, the army turned out to see us, the King in the forefront of the parading troops. The troops' faces were shining with recent victory and the annihilation of most of the Rashkan army, a few years before. We'd just finished training this bunch of Spartiate warriors and shipped out for southern Rashka as soon as they could manage it. I remember the clogged breakwaters of Pylos, guarded by the barrier island of Sphacteria, with its woods that we sometimes used for training.

Anyway, the troops had just crushed Rashka at that battle, Epidamnus, where Pyros IV, in his moment of victory at the forefront of the great wedge, was struck down by a volley from our own archers. The King needed a new general, and I guess that general was me. He told me to take the men and "annihilate the enemy. Ruin their army, but try to preserve their cities. We are not enemies of the people, we just want a regime change."

We'd had scouts out all day, one of whom found a man wandering through the wilderness near our fortifications. He called himself "Azalus", and reported that the enemy was gathering near their capital. "Azalus" seemed eager to get away...It was the only solid piece of information that we'd gotten, so the Spartan army marched for the capital of Rashka.

On the march, Pisistratus' great army passed through many formerly-Rashkan villages. In one barn, I'll swear I saw a giant off-white cow, only it had no horns. When I tried to look back at it, when we camped for the night, it was gone, and there was nary an indentation in the hay where I'd seen it. Very strange happenings when you get farther north.

When the other army finally met us, outside of the capital, we tried to hide our elite strike force, our newly-trained Spartiate warriors fresh from the Peloponnesus. Our plan was to use them to rip a hole in the Rashkan army, to try to get a hole, where we could send our spearmen. We saw a short man in a white-plumed helm take one look at our considerably larger army, and then leap onto his horse and flee for the capital. I guess that was the King.

The Spartiates worked brilliantly as a ram, and a gaping hole was torn in the outnumbered Rashkan army. I immediately ordered almost the entire army through, but kept some troops advancing against the main body at a different angle than normal. It seemed to work, at least in keeping the Rashkans oriented towards those men. Soon, the majority started running for their lives. A few diehards took three hundred men with them, but overall we wiped them away and carried the day. We used the remaining Spartiates, I think there was 250 left, to sweep the field and gain the capital. The king just fled, and to what far-off nation he went no man can guess.

When we took the city, the people were already surly towards the conquerors. Roof tiles were thrown at the King when we headed for the palace with an honor guard. King Pisistratus confided in his top military leadership (I can say this, because it has already begun) that "I want to build a great temple to all of the Olympians in Rashka, so we can provide the people with a way to express themselves to Zeus and not to me. Start work on this project now, and bring in Helots from the Peloponnese. We need to give the people something that isn't full of hate or destruction."

After that, I went home and celebrated that Triumph, going down the streets of Lakedaimonia with soldiers parading in full military dress, marching in unison so that some of the buildings shook. I got rewarded with...You know what, Scribe? Every Spartiate and Helot, and probably most Rashkans, have heard the boring story of the Greatest Party Ever [party]. I think that we should spare endless ages of young Spartans the details of something that was invented by some Italian city, probably destroyed now (Scribe's Note: Rome had the first traditions of triumphs. The city was occupied by the Etruscans in 1865 BC.), that no one really cares about, anyway.

So, Scribe, what am I supposed to talk about next? Scribe: The Great War, with the Byzantines... Ah. That was a long and bloody conflict if I ever saw one. I think it's still going on, but I'm an old man and forget things easily. Is it still going? Scribe: Yes, the Hittites just lost a big battle. Hittites? Are we allied with them? Scribe: Maybe we can resume the writing in a day or so. Thank you for entertaining the wishes of the King.

NOTE: The next day, the scribe was walking to Brasidas' estate, when (unbeknownst to the general population) a polar bear emerged from a nearby cave and captured him, and took his brain to Polarbearum, where it resides next to that of Brasidas, who disappeared the same day. The general Spartan sentiment was that the two had been taken down to Hades and would spend the rest of time in the Asphodel Fields, wandering around and trying to remember the events of the Great War. Many of the polar bears are amused by the general's bad memory, which is no worse than if he had really gone to the Asphodel Fields anyway...
 
The messenger ran into the Imperial Palace out of breath. Rumlus, gaping for air, read the news.

"We are... at war."

He paused for breath.

"Hittites, struck at ... Ankara."

He stopped again and collasped. He was dead. Rumlus had run all the way from Ankara to deliever the news.

"Byzantine under attack" Emperor Julius thought. "How dare they. We will show them. How dare they attack the greatest empire on the face of the world"

News quickly spread throughout the capital. Stories were being told about the heroic defense of Ankara by General Romulus. The city was alive with rumors.

Back in Ankara, Romulus inspected the damage. The Hittites had broken the walls and they must be rebuilt. The survivors of the fight were rallied and ordered to prepare the city for another defense. Soon the news of other Hittite advances reached Romulus. Ephesus was on the brink of falling, and Trebizond was overrun. Quickly Romulus had to think of something before all of Asia was overrun.

General Romulus ordered a decree. All surviving men in Ankara are to be drafted into the army, armed with basic weapons, they may not be strong alone, but in mass, they could be a force to be reckoned with.

Soon the Byzantine Imperial army would be arriving and revenge would be Byzantine's.
 
North King said:
You act too predictably. If their own women and children are threatened, do you think they will wait around besieging your little cities? And if they did, then couldn't you fall on their rear as they besieged?
Not when the women also go to the fighting? I think I remember reading thta also women joined that fighting with the Mongols... and it'ss till ahrd ivnading them when women and choldren stay there cause they don't realy stay in 1 place...
 
well, in north king's nes mongolia was an uber urban and technologically powerful nation. they invented the printing press before 0 AD and got so much money off it *looks at north king* that they were able to overrun the static battle line with hordes of soldiers
 
alex994 said:
well, in north king's nes mongolia was an uber urban and technologically powerful nation. they invented the printing press before 0 AD and got so much money off it *looks at north king* that they were able to overrun the static battle line with hordes of soldiers
Thats kinda unreal for people that live in the middle of nowhere :)
 
Li Mu (warring states period). What do people think of his strategy/tactic?

You are, ofcourse, only speaking about China's experience here. Generally, if steppe people have any particular centers, then they are easy to fight on their own ground - well, easier anyway. The best idea IMHO is the Great Wall, if properly manned, but one must never rely on it alone.

Incidentally, another person who had great success against steppe nomads is me. But my enemy was overstretched and fighting on two fronts. If not more. Btw, NK, how many people did Contempt send at me? I never did figure out, I thought a rather small amount.
 
erez87 said:
Not when the women also go to the fighting? I think I remember reading thta also women joined that fighting with the Mongols... and it'ss till ahrd ivnading them when women and choldren stay there cause they don't realy stay in 1 place...

You can draw them towards one thing and slip around to their baggage train.

Thats kinda unreal for people that live in the middle of nowhere

But interesting. :)

das said:
Incidentally, another person who had great success against steppe nomads is me. But my enemy was overstretched and fighting on two fronts. If not more. Btw, NK, how many people did Contempt send at me? I never did figure out, I thought a rather small amount.

About... umm... 2,000 maybe?

Insane Panda said:
And me. I owned those steppe nomads all the way from Djibouti!!

That last update would have been an amazing one, the huge indian ocean and south pacific, all under my empire. my fleet was going to be HUUUUGE.

I don't really recall you pwning the steppe nomads at any particular point, but oh well...

As I recall, Mongolia was consistantly losing it's edge in experience and tech and was relying on pure numbers. And people had other advantages against them as well...

But enough reminiscing!


To: Spartan Federation
From: Salzburg

We would like to sign a NAP for 500 years.
 
Herr Azale, when is the update?
 
My first story :)

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Emperor Quin was standing on the cliff, overlooking the preparations for what could be the single most important battle in the history of the Yan Dynasty.

Emperor Quin was not a young man. In fact, at age 60 he should’ve left this world long ago by the standards of the time. His reign was a peaceful one, relatively speaking. Throughout the war between Shu and Shang, he chose to stay neutral. The younger generals didn’t accept this decision easily. After all, there was land ripe for taking with the Shang’s troop held up along the Shu border. The Fuzhou’s success further fueled this impression. Fortunately for Quin, the more experienced generals, especially those who served along the northern border, understood his decision. Unlike Fuzhou, Yan’s capital is just a step away from the raging Manchu barbarians. When he was young, Quin has been told countless times the importance of safeguarding that passage. There was one occasion in particular that Quin could never forget, even to this day.

His father has decided to let him travel with the army that year, to let him see for himself what the life of a soldier is like. All was fine, until they received words of a Manchu invasion. He was 20 years old on that day, just finished his studies with his mentor, and was in his very first battle. Or as much of one as possible for a prince. As a result of his status, he was forced to remain in the rear company while his father fought in the front lines to boost the morale of the army. He was naïve at the time, and expected an easy victory. He was only half right. Although the Yan army managed to repel the invasion, he lost his father in the battle. At the day’s end, he received the crown and the burden of protecting the people of Yan and all of china from the same barbarians who took away the person most dear to him.

Through out his reign, as much as he wanted to extract revenge on the Manchu’s and to get rid of this menace once and for all, he knew he couldn’t risk leaving his southern borders unguarded. This was why he was forced to buy his time and expand peacefully while keeping a safe watch on the border. But now, the opportunity has finally presented itself. With the Shu and Shang at war, Quin is able to concentrate all his forces on the Manchu. It will be a difficult war, one that Quin doesn’t expect to live to see the outcome, but also one that’s unavoidable.

“Your majesty, the boats are ready.”
“Very well. Proceed immediately with the plan.” Having said that, he began the descent from the cliff, with his bodyguards and servants following closely behind.
 
das said:
Herr Azale, when is the update?

Based on previous experience, most likely Friday, though if he's taking exams of some sort like every other person on these boards are, it might be delayed.

ThomAnder said:
When are orders due for that matter?

Probably Friday afternoon, Eastern Time USA, given the above and when he's asked for them by before.
 
North King said:
As I recall, Mongolia was consistantly losing it's edge in experience and tech and was relying on pure numbers. And people had other advantages against them as well...

But enough reminiscing!

I for one will NEVER forget the huge amounts of eco that contempt got off one stinking printing press as well as his vassals in Korea and Tibet :p
 
I am taking exams, but thier done on Thursday, and then its SUMMER. So Friday o course, orders preferrably on Thursday but Ill accept them on Friday.
 
no problems global nexus

btw, BOTH GLOBAL NEXUS AND ZANY PLEBIAN your in the iron age, for future reference.
 
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