Constantine
at least it isnt the sens
I swear fealty for the French possesions of England so the King of England is your vassal but only for Normandy and Aquantine. Not!!!! England!!!!
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erez87
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Mongolian khanate
Northern China and most of Asia already collapsed to the mighty riders of Mongolia. A vast empire from Korea to Western China.
Now khan Temujin decleared that the Mongol hordes will turn to the west. All they knew about the West was from europian merchants that tried to reach the east... They heard of the continent called Europa wich is cut into many countries of a wierd religion named christianery. The Mongols also heard about the islamic caliphs that tried in the past to take over Europe from 2 directions but failed. Now the Mongol hordes begun to march west hearing the countries in there are broken and weak.
A scouts were sent east they said they found no countries, there i a lot to expand into in the west befor reachng that europa. 15000 mongolian horse archers were put to the command of Ghinges khan himself and marched West.
Te scouts returned with news of a huge lake, like in the old homelands to the north west and never ending deserts and lands to the west. To the south the Indian sub continent stood, the Mongols tought India will be a great conquest...
5000 horsemen under a command of one of the Khans generals marched north west towards the great lake. they rushed in their way only stopping from time to time to raid small tribes for food and riches. Many lands fell to the Mongol hordes.
10 horsemen under the control of the Khan himself marched south into India. The way was harsh, the Tibetian mountains so the Khan stopped his horses and begun marching west, maybe they could turn around the Tibetian mountains and reach India from the West itself.
Orders
5000 horses conquer lands north and north-west up to the small lake.
10000 horses conquer a BIT south and than conquer a lot to the west up until where the Himalaya mountains rang ends.
Loot and pillage tribs and villages on the way for money. Scare small tribes to begin paying tribute to the mongol hordes.
Call the Mongol hordes of the east, or atleast most of them, to help march West.
Northern China and most of Asia already collapsed to the mighty riders of Mongolia. A vast empire from Korea to Western China.
Now khan Temujin decleared that the Mongol hordes will turn to the west. All they knew about the West was from europian merchants that tried to reach the east... They heard of the continent called Europa wich is cut into many countries of a wierd religion named christianery. The Mongols also heard about the islamic caliphs that tried in the past to take over Europe from 2 directions but failed. Now the Mongol hordes begun to march west hearing the countries in there are broken and weak.
A scouts were sent east they said they found no countries, there i a lot to expand into in the west befor reachng that europa. 15000 mongolian horse archers were put to the command of Ghinges khan himself and marched West.
Te scouts returned with news of a huge lake, like in the old homelands to the north west and never ending deserts and lands to the west. To the south the Indian sub continent stood, the Mongols tought India will be a great conquest...
5000 horsemen under a command of one of the Khans generals marched north west towards the great lake. they rushed in their way only stopping from time to time to raid small tribes for food and riches. Many lands fell to the Mongol hordes.
10 horsemen under the control of the Khan himself marched south into India. The way was harsh, the Tibetian mountains so the Khan stopped his horses and begun marching west, maybe they could turn around the Tibetian mountains and reach India from the West itself.
Orders
5000 horses conquer lands north and north-west up to the small lake.
10000 horses conquer a BIT south and than conquer a lot to the west up until where the Himalaya mountains rang ends.
Loot and pillage tribs and villages on the way for money. Scare small tribes to begin paying tribute to the mongol hordes.
Call the Mongol hordes of the east, or atleast most of them, to help march West.
Oruc
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Nope!
more properlly, it wouldnt be orthadox nations, but rather Romanistic nations that recruit cataphracts- all things considered though, it would be good to extend it to the southern Russian states as well as the obvious Byzantine empire, Venice, and (potentially) Papal Rome (the rest iof southern europe are the descendents in terms of warfare traditions (including papal rome really) of assorted barbarian tribes- leading to disorganized feudal knights instead of highlly organized state backed cataphracts
Grandmaster
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OOC: Yes, Emu, Novgorod and the other Russian principalities can build Cataphracts as their cavalry unit. I know this isn't entirely accurate, but at least through their early history the state of southern Russia (most noticably Kiev) were greatly effected by Byzantine culture and commerce. The Dnepr carried Byzantine civilization north from the Black Sea, where it met Viking culture, thus creating the unique Kievan and later Russian identity. So for now, they can still build Cataphracts. If you truly feel it is more accurate and realistic, I will allow Venice to build Cataphracts, too... I simply made them use the Western unit set because I remembered something about Venician knights sacking Constantinople en route to the 3rd or 4th Crusade... though I'm probably entirely wrong on that. The Papal States, however, will not be allowed to build Cataphracts. Update is Wednsday. 
And Rika Heyli, if you want your military and other sensitive orders to be more secret in the future, it might be better to PM them to me. While *secret* orders are supposed to be ignored, and will be by all NPC nations, I cannot promise that all human players will respect that rule.
And Rika Heyli, if you want your military and other sensitive orders to be more secret in the future, it might be better to PM them to me. While *secret* orders are supposed to be ignored, and will be by all NPC nations, I cannot promise that all human players will respect that rule.
erez87
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Venice? with Cataparch? For some reson I feel Xen said it only to get his favorite miliatery unit in the world maybe exept Legions 
Anyone heard of the Kozars, or kazars ever? (not Kazan or this asian tribes...) If they will ever exist what unit they will use?
Kozars\Kazars were a Russian state ones and their king one day turned to jew and the whole country turned to a jewish country... cool eh? So what their "UU" will be not knights or cataparch
Anyone heard of the Kozars, or kazars ever? (not Kazan or this asian tribes...) If they will ever exist what unit they will use?
Kozars\Kazars were a Russian state ones and their king one day turned to jew and the whole country turned to a jewish country... cool eh? So what their "UU" will be
not knights or cataparch 
Originally posted by erez87
Venice? with Cataparch? For some reson I feel Xen said it only to get his favorite miliatery unit in the world maybe exept Legions
If you need proof of the heravy Byzantine connection to Venice, follow these links- that said, I have never been able to hunt down much information on Venetian troops, other then thier innovative use of marines, warships, and a Byzantien influence on thier military, as well as being an area where former Byzantine troops fled to act as mercenaries when Byzantium was being conqoured by the Ottomans- this, conencted with the fact that from my story, obviouslly, this venice has an even firmer connection to the Byzantine empire then the real life Venice did, means that it would have an even larger influence on the venitian military
(BTW- its spelled cataphract, not "Cataparch"- that is a completelly different word in greek if I know my greek linguistics correctley)
anyway, now for those links
http://www.allempires.com/empires/venice/venice1.htm
http://www.boglewood.com/timeline/
http://www.doge.it/esercito/evi.htm (this one is a page on the venitian army, but not from ther periods in which I discuss)
Grandmaster
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OOC: Looks good enough to me. Venice can build Cataphracts instead of knights. Papal States still use Knights, though.
Grandmaster
Deity
300 years too late, Erez. Though having the Mongols convert to Judaism rather than Islam upon reaching the Holy Land would be an interesting twist. Though one I don't condone or call for.
Though one I don't condone or call for.
china444
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North King
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To: France
From: The Holy Roman Empire
As to the Crusade, it might be an excellent venture, but only if well planned. Other Crusades have proven this. Let us see if we cannot get Venice, Flemish, Nordic, and English support for this.
**SECRET PART**
Let us consider the alliance proposal a bit more... We wish to see how the winds of destiny are blowing.
From: The Holy Roman Empire
As to the Crusade, it might be an excellent venture, but only if well planned. Other Crusades have proven this. Let us see if we cannot get Venice, Flemish, Nordic, and English support for this.
**SECRET PART**
Let us consider the alliance proposal a bit more... We wish to see how the winds of destiny are blowing.
To: HRE & France
From: Venice
look at your navies. they are tiny. if you wish to go upon a crisade, you are going to need ships to get you there, unless you wish to spend 50 years crossing through hostile lands t get you half way to Byzantium that is.
it is thus, that is a crusade were to be started, it would fall upon Venice, and potentially Byzantium as well to be the ones to provide your troops transport- for this venice must be remberresed, for it will be our ships that are most natabley risked agaisnt the arabs.
From the HRE, what we wish as payment is simply- land in italy, according to the following map (though if venice must provide transport for your troops longer then 8 turns, Venice will have to have more reperations)-
from france, what we wish in money, notbaley, a payemtn of three economy, and three more econ for every three turns (30 years in the game) that venice continues to transport your troops
yes it is a steep price- but then at out current leval of land miltary power, venice can hardley afford to potentiall start a war with the arabs, can it?
From: Venice
look at your navies. they are tiny. if you wish to go upon a crisade, you are going to need ships to get you there, unless you wish to spend 50 years crossing through hostile lands t get you half way to Byzantium that is.
it is thus, that is a crusade were to be started, it would fall upon Venice, and potentially Byzantium as well to be the ones to provide your troops transport- for this venice must be remberresed, for it will be our ships that are most natabley risked agaisnt the arabs.
From the HRE, what we wish as payment is simply- land in italy, according to the following map (though if venice must provide transport for your troops longer then 8 turns, Venice will have to have more reperations)-
from france, what we wish in money, notbaley, a payemtn of three economy, and three more econ for every three turns (30 years in the game) that venice continues to transport your troops
yes it is a steep price- but then at out current leval of land miltary power, venice can hardley afford to potentiall start a war with the arabs, can it?
North King
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To: Venice
From: The HRE
No. We will not give up any of the Empire's land in Italy. We might easily enough find passage through a few countries... Few will oppose a Crusade. Byzantium will likely not object to passage through their lands. The most successful Crusade yet was the 1st, which was entirely overland. So we see no reason not to acoomplish this in like fashion.
From: The HRE
No. We will not give up any of the Empire's land in Italy. We might easily enough find passage through a few countries... Few will oppose a Crusade. Byzantium will likely not object to passage through their lands. The most successful Crusade yet was the 1st, which was entirely overland. So we see no reason not to acoomplish this in like fashion.
alex994
Hail Divine Emperor!
To Abbasid Caliphate
From Byzantine Empire
What do you say for a 3-turn NAP?
To Serbia
From Byzantine Empire
Would u consider an alliance between us?
From Byzantine Empire
What do you say for a 3-turn NAP?
To Serbia
From Byzantine Empire
Would u consider an alliance between us?
aaminion00
Stoned
the Inkmen
They travelled in packs, like the vultures in the skies circling around their prey before they were assured of it's fate. But these vultures were different. Their horses were mighty steeds from the Arab lands, covered not in armor but splendid cloth and textiles. Their riders, of course, were dressed just as richly. Their clothes were made of fine Persian wool with a hint of expensive silk recieved from the East decades ago. They all had neatly trimmed mustaches and beards and wore turbans in the manner of the caliphs, albeit smaller and less excuisite.
They were the inkmen. By their saddle were always two pouches that they guarded with their lives, for woe be to him that lost one. In the first of these pouches there were stacks of expensive paper, bought probably in Bagdad or the Persian markets. In the othe were equally expensive quills and tightly sealed bottles of ink.
They had all graduated from the small academy the Shah had recently established in Khiva. In there they learned mathametics right up to the technique of algebra, simple writing, and the other basic duties of scribes. From there they were quickly given horses (for the Turkmen all knew how to ride one) and sent off to account for every last person living in the Shah's domains.
They'd ride up to each and every village there was, past the green Turkmen fields where the sheep graised, and ask to speak to the chiefatin of them. They would show him the royal seal to prove their status as the Shah's servants, as if their clothes didn't tell enough, and demand the chiefatin's full help and compliance in numbering all of his men. The Chiefatins would of course agree, and within a small alteration of the sun dial the herds would be rounded up and the entire village would be facing the Inkmen on top of a nearby hill.
The Inkmen would then count and recount before recording all necessary information on their paper. Then they wouldshout to the villagers to all seperate themselves... women and men, adults and children, married and nonmarried, fighting age or elderly, and any number of different groupings the Inkmen were curious about. The whole process would last until the sun was dark, when the Inkmen would thank the chiefatin for his cooperation and reward him in an assortment of small gifts.
There would be a jovial feast that night between the Inkmen, the chiefatin, and the village's mightiest warriors. The Inkmen would tell the Chiefatin of the shah's plan, and show them where in the Northwest they could settle. They told them they would have to set off before winter came, and gave him detailed maps. They also told him to come to Khiva if any furhter instructions were needed. With that they hurried back to their outposts so that they could get a good night of rest before picking up their work for the sha at the rise of dawn the next morning.
They travelled in packs, like the vultures in the skies circling around their prey before they were assured of it's fate. But these vultures were different. Their horses were mighty steeds from the Arab lands, covered not in armor but splendid cloth and textiles. Their riders, of course, were dressed just as richly. Their clothes were made of fine Persian wool with a hint of expensive silk recieved from the East decades ago. They all had neatly trimmed mustaches and beards and wore turbans in the manner of the caliphs, albeit smaller and less excuisite.
They were the inkmen. By their saddle were always two pouches that they guarded with their lives, for woe be to him that lost one. In the first of these pouches there were stacks of expensive paper, bought probably in Bagdad or the Persian markets. In the othe were equally expensive quills and tightly sealed bottles of ink.
They had all graduated from the small academy the Shah had recently established in Khiva. In there they learned mathametics right up to the technique of algebra, simple writing, and the other basic duties of scribes. From there they were quickly given horses (for the Turkmen all knew how to ride one) and sent off to account for every last person living in the Shah's domains.
They'd ride up to each and every village there was, past the green Turkmen fields where the sheep graised, and ask to speak to the chiefatin of them. They would show him the royal seal to prove their status as the Shah's servants, as if their clothes didn't tell enough, and demand the chiefatin's full help and compliance in numbering all of his men. The Chiefatins would of course agree, and within a small alteration of the sun dial the herds would be rounded up and the entire village would be facing the Inkmen on top of a nearby hill.
The Inkmen would then count and recount before recording all necessary information on their paper. Then they wouldshout to the villagers to all seperate themselves... women and men, adults and children, married and nonmarried, fighting age or elderly, and any number of different groupings the Inkmen were curious about. The whole process would last until the sun was dark, when the Inkmen would thank the chiefatin for his cooperation and reward him in an assortment of small gifts.
There would be a jovial feast that night between the Inkmen, the chiefatin, and the village's mightiest warriors. The Inkmen would tell the Chiefatin of the shah's plan, and show them where in the Northwest they could settle. They told them they would have to set off before winter came, and gave him detailed maps. They also told him to come to Khiva if any furhter instructions were needed. With that they hurried back to their outposts so that they could get a good night of rest before picking up their work for the sha at the rise of dawn the next morning.
Oruc
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Nope!
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