Stigma against Communism?

Commie #4522 said:
I'm a 16 y/o Communist living in California and when I tell this to other people they look at my like I am crazy.
Rightly so they should. In fact the mere idea of a California high school kid claiming to be communist is making all my local Chinese colleagues roll in laughter right now. :lol:

I'd recommend the same advise given by other posters above. Learn more, sound off less. :)
 
Communism is very flawed at its core. For communism to work, people have to generally be giving and not be selfish. These assumptions are inherently false(as been proven time and time again). We saw what happened in the USSR and in China when communism was attempted. Let me tell you something, the conditions in california even for the poor right now are alot better than this "communism" that China cased during the cultral revolution and the reat leap forward.

By the ways, I work hard 5 days a week, 8 hours a day for my money, what have you done to take it away from me?
 
Commie #4522 said:
okay look, maybe what I said was wrong. I know many of the south are racist (like 40% voted democrats or something), but that doesn't mean they are NOT racist. Everyone I know is scared of hell of being black and being dropped in the middle of the south cause you know by the end of the day you'd probably be killed for nothing. It's like a survival game were going to do DND with, aka your party is four black men who get teleported into the deep south and your goal is travelling up north while the whole population is trying to kill ya.

You make several errors with this statement.

Firstly, you equate Republicans with racists. Even the partisan and hardcore leftist can admit that this certainly isnt the case...and even if the party itself was racist (which it is not), not every voter is.

Second, this isnt the 1960's. You're way out in cali, so I'm going to guess you havent spent a whole lot of time in the south...or even east of the misissippi. I'm hardly an elder statesmen on this forums, but I've seen most of this country, including the south. I've lived in a rural county in Ohio (thats in the north for those of you playing at home) for most of my life, and spent the last year smack inbetween Maryland and Virgina, with a trip every so often deep into those states.

Honestly, the state that i've met and seen the most racist stuff isnt even in the south. Thats Indiana. The Ayran nations HQ isn't in the south. Its in Idaho. The largest militia groups? Michigan, Montana, West Virgina. There are racists everywhere. This isnt the 1960's kid. When was the last lynching you read about? I'd even go so far to say that it would be more dangerous to be a HISPANIC, than a black guy, with all the immigration stuff.

Read MORE of Marx....stuff other than the manifesto, and I bet you'll change your mind. I'll direct you to his piece, "on the Jewish Question"...and you can judge if you think these ideas are all about love, tolerance and equality. (I'll give you a hint. they arent).
 
I have grown up in the latter years of the Cold War when it started to end.

What I have noticed was that communism is, to the Americans, a totalitarian govermnent with restricted freedoms.
 
This just might be the funniest thread ever.

16 year old communist...wow. Give it a few years and you'll look back on this period of your life and laugh...a lot.
 
Dawgphood001 said:
This just might be the funniest thread ever.

16 year old communist...wow. Give it a few years and you'll look back on this period of your life and laugh...a lot.
Please dont remind me, there were a couple of things in my past that I did that I now regret :-/.
 
Commie #4522 said:
I'm a 16 y/o Communist living in California and when I tell this to other people they look at my like I am crazy. Do people really believe all that Cold War propaganda that was going around? Hasn't america learned its lesson with the Joe McCarthy fiasco that Commie bashing is just another witch hunt? You can read about it here: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAmccarthy.htm

You can see all this crap that Americans believe about communism is just leftovers from the COld War. NONE OF IT IS TRUE. No communists don't want to burn everything down and kill everyone and force them to work for the govt (we already got George Bush to do that).

Why can't people accept our ideas as real and stop listening to that right wing propaganda that originated during the Cold War..

Uh... I think most people in America today just take a look at history and have seen few -- if any -- Communist countries flourish whereas capitalism is the prevailing system between most affluent and socially free countries on the globe.

You'd get the same response from me if you came up and said "I think leeches are a really good way to cure most diseases! Forget about all this fancy antibiotics business!"
 
Commie #4522 said:
Do people really believe all that Cold War propaganda that was going around? Hasn't america learned its lesson with the Joe McCarthy fiasco that Commie bashing is just another witch hunt?
I realy dont know, I was born in the early 1980s and totaly unaware on what was going on in the world. Though my parents prased the Cold War today for it provided them jobs to build Nuclear Submarines at a rapid pace back then.

Commie #4522 said:
You can see all this crap that Americans believe about communism is just leftovers from the COld War. NONE OF IT IS TRUE. No communists don't want to burn everything down and kill everyone and force them to work for the govt (we already got George Bush to do that).

Why can't people accept our ideas as real and stop listening to that right wing propaganda that originated during the Cold War.
I felt that communism is not a realistic idea. I see no equality between the working class, the military, and the government officals. What I see was the poor remained poor as well as the Enlisted troops and Junior Officers in the poor ranks. While the Senior Officers, Admirals, Marshals, Generals, and high government officals having the most wealth.

I am happy with a free market/capitalist system because I know that I am not on a forced rationing like they did in Communist nations ;).

Commie #4522 said:
Oh and did you know, "Under GOd" was added to our pledhe of allegieance during the Cold War so Americans would appear "better" than the godless commies overseas?
Well, the USSR forced the Russian Orthodoxy Churches to close down for they were "opiates to the masses" :(.
 
I agree there is too much anti-communist propoganda floating around. To save myself from typing I will copy in the post I made on a similar thread.

I believe we need to give up the culture of insulting communists/capitalists. They are both as bad as each other. On one hand you have capitalism, it sounds good (incentive to work hard, get education...) as long as big comanies are moral (fat chance). Communism also sounds good (equality...) but relies on the good character of the government (fat chance). The fact is they both are brought down from their utopian appearance by the practicality of the whole thing. In addition if you are completely rigid in an extreme dogma it will fail.

Also you cannot say that capitalism is better than communism just by saying "US is better than Russia". Russia 1917 was a sh*t whole, America was not. Hence it is not a controlled enviornment and the sucess of US over Russia may be due to another factor besides economic policy (democracy Vs dictatorship comes to mind).

As a race we cannot force political ideas on others. The 'democratic peace process' that the US is going on about with Iraq and other countries is as flawed as 'universal communism' and 'universal XReligion'.

In summary:
Both capitalism and communism suck while we have corrupt people in positions of power
Capitalism does not beat communism because the US beat Russia
We cannot impose our beliefs (political or otherwise) on others.

If we can reduce conflict by restraining ourselves from imposing philosophies on others we may have the time and resources to spend working out a economic system that works. We can't do that yet.
 
I haven't read all 6 pages. One thing I can tell for sure.
Communism could be not a bad idea, but our human nature doesn't suite it well. So, communism was, is and ever will be an utopia. Also bad guys like idea of communism to cover their durty plans and deeds.

(I've spent 21 years of my life in USSR)

EDIT: Plus what Fallen Angel Lord wrote in his post #105:thumbsup:
 
Communism in the 20th century was an armed revolution against the normal political structure, in fact most of the present communist government started off as ragtag revolutionaries. You can understand from there why existing government would dislike communist, and why well to do people would hate the idea of communism.

Everyone living in the first world is living off the sweat off their predecessors, don't even think that everything you have is through your own sweat. Most of the existing infrastructure, government system, science, technology were there before you, so its arrogance that makes us think that we are the product of our own hard work. A rich kid living off his parents wealth is entirely normal.
 
Shaihulud said:
Communism in the 20th century was an armed revolution against the normal political structure, in fact most of the present communist government started off as ragtag revolutionaries. You can understand from there why existing government would dislike communist, and why well to do people would hate the idea of communism.

Everyone living in the first world is living off the sweat off their predecessors, don't even think that everything you have is through your own sweat. Most of the existing infrastructure, government system, science, technology were there before you, so its arrogance that makes us think that we are the product of our own hard work. A rich kid living off his parents wealth is entirely normal.


I would agree with u entirely if I didn't get SO PISSED OFF whenever I see Paris Hilton on TV...;)

Of course every person has a right to be as rich as he or she wants, but I suppose we couldn't continue as the 'human race' if we let everybody get money however they felt like earning it. Similarly, if we allowed people to keep spending all their money on destructive activities, we can't possibly turn a blind eye hoping the 'market' will deal with all of this. Equally, imagining living in a country without a government, police or the army is somewhat foolish and naive.

Taxation is a way obviously to keep the government and the country running. So if we agree that we need a government, and each of needs to contribute to keep the government running, we have to then decide who pays how much. All of us paying the same amount is not going to be fair since all of us do not earn the same amount, and will hurt those who have less more than it hurts those who have more. So we pay a % of income as tax, either a flat rate or an increasing rate, based on income.

Communist, and even some 'socialist' countries, often tax the very rich disproportionately high rates. E.g. India, at one stage, had a 95% tax on any income above Rs.200,000. Clearly, this destroyed all incentive to try and earn more than Rs.200,000 or even if u did, to tell the government that u did so. Since most of us are afraid of a jail term for not paying taxes, we choose option one, see no incentive in trying to increase our salary beyond a limit.

I have given only one real example of why communism actually faces a sort of stigma as it takes away an individual's initiative or directs it towards law-breaking. It also puts enormous control of an individual's life in a government, not of his or her choosing. It may be argued that this may be so only in 'Western societies' given the importance given to the individual in such societies, but real life has also shown that the 'Eastern values' which were supposedly anti-democratic is a myth and respect and deference should not be construed to mean total and abject surrender of self to another.

Ultimately, whatever country or region communism has been tried, it has suffered from these two inherent flaws due to which it carries that stigma whenever one invokes its name.
 
Communism is the most natural society possible. Simply because the family is a Communistic society.
On a bigger scale it requires more than humans can give. Humans are just not good enough to deserve Communism. If there is a heaven; it will be Communistic.
 
Speaking of inheritance, there's a good example of how communism divides itself.

If I work really hard, with the intention of benefitting my offspring after I die, THAT is a communistic action (working for the benefit of others). Strangely, communists seek to take away that built wealth, saying that the offspring do not deserve it.

Right now, people intend to leave money in their wills, but they don't go full out to provide their offspring (whom they love) with all their efforts. How much would you expect a person to work/save if their excess wealth went to the community? Certainly not as much, because they care less for the community than they do their family.
 
Rik Meleet said:
Communism is the most natural society possible. Simply because the family is a Communistic society.
On a bigger scale it requires more than humans can give. Humans are just not good enough to deserve Communism. If there is a heaven; it will be Communistic.
it may be; but democrecy has actually benn proven to work......
for 230 years now and still going:p
 
You can see all this crap that Americans believe about communism is just leftovers from the COld War. NONE OF IT IS TRUE. No communists don't want to burn everything down and kill everyone and force them to work for the govt (we already got George Bush to do that).

Why can't people accept our ideas as real and stop listening to that right wing propaganda that originated during the Cold War.

Some of us have looked at communism and reached the inevitable conclusion that it's a bunch of horsecrap. "Real" communism, Stalinist communism, Maoist, whatever. Doesn't work in the real world. It's not about whether or not the "evil reds" want to eat babies and take over the world, or whatever - it's about a system whose basic tenets ignore reality.

Enjoy being 16 though. Idealism dies fast.
 
Commie #4522 said:
okay look, maybe what I said was wrong. I know many of the south are racist (like 40% voted democrats or something), but that doesn't mean they are NOT racist. Everyone I know is scared of hell of being black and being dropped in the middle of the south cause you know by the end of the day you'd probably be killed for nothing. It's like a survival game were going to do DND with, aka your party is four black men who get teleported into the deep south and your goal is travelling up north while the whole population is trying to kill ya.

You just showed your (lack of) age right there. You don't do your cause justice when you act so sanctimonious that you come across as worse than the people who you oppose. That statement is just so far from reality it's laughable.
 
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