FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
Kanga_DU said:Surprise, surprise! I make it me up again!Got it and playing now.
I think I got missed somewhere in here....
But that's okay. Wouldn't have had time to play until tomorrow anyway.
STR-02 English Astronomers
- Thread starter Strauss
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I think I got missed somewhere in here....
But that's okay. Wouldn't have had time to play until tomorrow anyway.
FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
Strauss said:
Got it! Should be able to play tomorrow.
FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
Decided to go ahead and play tonight....
Basically finished out some things in this set.
Turn 1 (815AD) - Axe finished in Nottingham, started a sword (for a special surprise).
Turn 2 (830AD) -
Turn 3 (845AD) - Optics complete! Start currency as we are going to start needing to build cash soon.
Turn 4 (860AD) - Tundra chop that I inherited went to York, I was actually hoping it would go to Hastings to help with the granary (it was equal distance from both). On the other hand, it did complete the settler.
Turn 5 (875AD) - Settler complete.
Turn 6 (890AD) - I had proposed this spot for the gold/fish city quite a while ago.
Hopefully no one had any problems with it because....
Turn 7 & 8 - (Actually, I was moving my surprise).
Turn 9 (935AD) - Notre Dame BIDAL.
But the big news....
Unfortunately, he doesn't want to trade. We go to all of the work to grab optics so we can trade (under the variant rules) and who do we find....one of the guys that is a pain to try to trade with...
And where did we find him???
Turn 10 (950AD)
Currency completes, start construction. Caravel complete, start another. I loaded the missionary on the caravel and got it out of the city, but that is about it. We need to decide whether to try to get open borders with Toku and send the missionary there or send the caravel off exploring and hope to plant the missionary on someone else we find.
Now for the surprise...
I decided to send the axe and sword to the barb city (that's what I've been doing with the galley. May want to bring it back and load a couple more units on it. That will probably be enough to take the city (however, those look like walls and if so, the next couple of units may have to be catapults). Given where Toku is, he may not be a risk to get to that island until astronomy, but it will be good for us to have a foothold on the island. Plus, a goodie hut.
Here is what the world looks like now....
Couple more caravels are in the queue. One more galley is built which can be set with our existing one to ferry units to the big island.
I didn't chop anymore at London because we are at the healthy limit. An aqueduct would be a good idea there. Could go for the Hanging Gardens after (that would probably be worth the final two forests), but I doubt we would get it.
Nothing seemed worth a whip, so everywhere should be ready to whip again if desired.
Save is attached.
Basically finished out some things in this set.
Turn 1 (815AD) - Axe finished in Nottingham, started a sword (for a special surprise).
Turn 2 (830AD) -
Turn 3 (845AD) - Optics complete! Start currency as we are going to start needing to build cash soon.
Turn 4 (860AD) - Tundra chop that I inherited went to York, I was actually hoping it would go to Hastings to help with the granary (it was equal distance from both). On the other hand, it did complete the settler.
Turn 5 (875AD) - Settler complete.
Turn 6 (890AD) - I had proposed this spot for the gold/fish city quite a while ago.
Hopefully no one had any problems with it because....
Turn 7 & 8 -
(Actually, I was moving my surprise).Turn 9 (935AD) - Notre Dame BIDAL.
But the big news....
Unfortunately, he doesn't want to trade. We go to all of the work to grab optics so we can trade (under the variant rules) and who do we find....one of the guys that is a pain to try to trade with...
And where did we find him???
Turn 10 (950AD)
Currency completes, start construction. Caravel complete, start another. I loaded the missionary on the caravel and got it out of the city, but that is about it. We need to decide whether to try to get open borders with Toku and send the missionary there or send the caravel off exploring and hope to plant the missionary on someone else we find.
Now for the surprise...
I decided to send the axe and sword to the barb city (that's what I've been doing with the galley. May want to bring it back and load a couple more units on it. That will probably be enough to take the city (however, those look like walls and if so, the next couple of units may have to be catapults). Given where Toku is, he may not be a risk to get to that island until astronomy, but it will be good for us to have a foothold on the island. Plus, a goodie hut.
Here is what the world looks like now....
Couple more caravels are in the queue. One more galley is built which can be set with our existing one to ferry units to the big island.
I didn't chop anymore at London because we are at the healthy limit. An aqueduct would be a good idea there. Could go for the Hanging Gardens after (that would probably be worth the final two forests), but I doubt we would get it.
Nothing seemed worth a whip, so everywhere should be ready to whip again if desired.
Save is attached.
FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
One more thing. We need to build a workboat somewhere so we can work the fish tile at Canterbury. After working that tile, the farm, the gold mine, and building a lighthouse, that will be a darn fine commerce city.
Strauss
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A southern island covered in snow, founding a late religion, and Tokugawa just to the east of us. For a second there I thought I was reading RB6 Island Hoppers
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Of course Toku's the worst neigbour you can get when you're desperately trying to trade. It seems we are on par with him in techs. He only has 3 visible important techs, one of which we'll research next turn. However, since Toku doesn't trade much the other AI's may well be more advanced, although I don't think we're in an impossible tech hole: lots of AI's may have not even met each other yet. Let's hope our Caravels find someone else quickly to find out.
Roster:
1) Bede --> UP! to try to find someone who will trade
2) Kanga_DU --> on deck
3) Strauss
4) Foolonthehill --> we can finally trade with other civs, and he goes and finds a xenophobe
We've made a right mess out of this roster again
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.Of course Toku's the worst neigbour you can get when you're desperately trying to trade. It seems we are on par with him in techs. He only has 3 visible important techs, one of which we'll research next turn. However, since Toku doesn't trade much the other AI's may well be more advanced, although I don't think we're in an impossible tech hole: lots of AI's may have not even met each other yet. Let's hope our Caravels find someone else quickly to find out.
Roster:
1) Bede --> UP! to try to find someone who will trade
2) Kanga_DU --> on deck
3) Strauss
4) Foolonthehill --> we can finally trade with other civs, and he goes and finds a xenophobe
We've made a right mess out of this roster again
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FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
Strauss said:
Very quiet until 1085. Rearranged the specialists to ensure a Great Prophet in the next set from either Nottingham or London. Explored the island and killed some barbarians and collected some gold pieces. Set research towards Civil Service when we learned Construction. The forestry operation at York went into a Market to enchance the Great Merchant possibilities. The galleys puled back into London for use as transports to the north island which has turned out to be pretty barren, mostly jungle and no resources we don't already hold. The jungle could be choppped and cottaged with an army of workers. Trained a caravel in Nottingham and sent it east, empty though, in an attempt to claim the circumnavigation bonus for the navy.
Then in 1085 made a lot of new friends
First the culture monster
That is where all the wonders went!
Then his neighbor, poor and rather ignorant but a co-religionist with Gandhi
And they are located waay over here
Then to the east this lovely visage appears
She is north of the Japanese
The west bound caravel sailed on and deposited his missionary on a Chinese rock after opening the Chinese borders
The foreign relationships work out this way
Nobody is particularly friendly with anyone else. Only Gandhi and Mao have any trade relationships (one involving Ivory from Gandhi to Mao) and Toku and Hattie (the Hindu bloc) are isolated from the Buddhist bloc
We are culturally competitive
Militarily weak
Bottom of the heap in food production but that reflects the lack of luxury resources
as we are not working all of the high food tiles available.
The Manufacturing Goods reflects the lack of high hammer potentials
Trade possibilities to come
Then in 1085 made a lot of new friends
First the culture monster
That is where all the wonders went!
Then his neighbor, poor and rather ignorant but a co-religionist with Gandhi
And they are located waay over here
Then to the east this lovely visage appears
She is north of the Japanese
The west bound caravel sailed on and deposited his missionary on a Chinese rock after opening the Chinese borders
The foreign relationships work out this way
Nobody is particularly friendly with anyone else. Only Gandhi and Mao have any trade relationships (one involving Ivory from Gandhi to Mao) and Toku and Hattie (the Hindu bloc) are isolated from the Buddhist bloc
We are culturally competitive
Militarily weak
Bottom of the heap in food production but that reflects the lack of luxury resources
as we are not working all of the high food tiles available.
The Manufacturing Goods reflects the lack of high hammer potentials
Trade possibilities to come
Starting from the top
The ignorant
The Leader
And the xenophobic bottom feeder
Giving up Theology will get us Monarchy, Archery and some money from Gandhi, and about the same from the witch to the east. Machinery is ours alone at the moment, I think.
What to do, oh what to do, to improve our position? The home island has enough food to become a specialist farm with York working merchants and London working prophets or engineers while producing settlers and workers for the Cottage Island. Nottingham can produce our military to capture and hold Cottage Island. Hastings and Canterbury can build boats and train up missionaries. Or some other configuration that is more suitable. What I am getting at is the need to focus our GPP development while getting productivity out of somewhere. We are going to be depending upon temples for happiness for some time yet, or at least until we obsolete the Colussus by researching Astronomy.
The ignorant
The Leader
And the xenophobic bottom feeder
Giving up Theology will get us Monarchy, Archery and some money from Gandhi, and about the same from the witch to the east. Machinery is ours alone at the moment, I think.
What to do, oh what to do, to improve our position? The home island has enough food to become a specialist farm with York working merchants and London working prophets or engineers while producing settlers and workers for the Cottage Island. Nottingham can produce our military to capture and hold Cottage Island. Hastings and Canterbury can build boats and train up missionaries. Or some other configuration that is more suitable. What I am getting at is the need to focus our GPP development while getting productivity out of somewhere. We are going to be depending upon temples for happiness for some time yet, or at least until we obsolete the Colussus by researching Astronomy.
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It seems the English will really have to search hard for some hammers. Our tech position looks good, even Gandhi isn't too far ahead yet. All the other demographic graphs don't look impossible to fix either. I will have a look at the save in the coming hour and see if I can give some more advice on how to continue.
. Our tech position looks good, even Gandhi isn't too far ahead yet. All the other demographic graphs don't look impossible to fix either. I will have a look at the save in the coming hour and see if I can give some more advice on how to continue.
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Well, having looked at the save, I'm not so much worried about the long term (excluding the lack of production), but more about the short-term. Japan, our closest neighbour, is both first in power and is annoyed with us. He already has Galleys filled with troops, although this doesn't say anything since I've seen transport ships filled with troops sitting around in their harbors for centuries. However, if Toku does invade, we have nothing but a handful of Warriors to resist his Horse Archers and Crossbowmen. Yes, he has Machinery now as well
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I would suggest switching production in London and Nottingham to military. Thanks to our strong culture, our cities will be able to hold out with small garrisons, especially against overseas invaders, but Warriors aren't going to cut it.
As for trading, both Hatshepshut and Gandhi will trade Theology for Monarchy, Archery and a sum of gold. I suggest making this trade with one of them, and then trade with the other for Drama. I forgot to check what Gandhi wants for Calendar though.
The northern island is indeed rather barren, but the southern coast, which is less covered in jungle, has some interesting city sites, although production will still be a problem. Let's hope that island to the northwest will be the Confucian Promised Land.
.I would suggest switching production in London and Nottingham to military. Thanks to our strong culture, our cities will be able to hold out with small garrisons, especially against overseas invaders, but Warriors aren't going to cut it
.As for trading, both Hatshepshut and Gandhi will trade Theology for Monarchy, Archery and a sum of gold. I suggest making this trade with one of them, and then trade with the other for Drama. I forgot to check what Gandhi wants for Calendar though.
The northern island is indeed rather barren, but the southern coast, which is less covered in jungle, has some interesting city sites, although production will still be a problem. Let's hope that island to the northwest will be the Confucian Promised Land.
FoolontheHill
Head Stooge
Can he reach us with galleys? I don't see a connection of the necessary coastal tiles to get to us before astronomy. But I may be missing it.Strauss said:Well, having looked at the save, I'm not so much worried about the long term (excluding the lack of production), but more about the short-term. Japan, our closest neighbour, is both first in power and is annoyed with us. He already has Galleys filled with troops, although this doesn't say anything since I've seen transport ships filled with troops sitting around in their harbors for centuries. However, if Toku does invade, we have nothing but a handful of Warriors to resist his Horse Archers and Crossbowmen. Yes, he has Machinery now as well
Not an overly eventful set of turns.
Got Chuang-Tzu, a great prophet in 1112AD. Wasted a turn sending him down to York to build shrine only to find it built.
Lightbulbed Civil Service and cleared the final 8 turns on it. Started on Paper.
Gandhi:
We are down a few techs...
A turn later he came up with this wacko deal.
We scored the circumnavigation bonus in 1136.
Mao gets a little greedy:
Hopefully refusal is not too threatening yet....
Gandhi completes Angkor Wat in 1154
Paper is due to finish this turn. Left a carvel + loaded missionary unmoved. couldn't make up my mind for a destination.
Applied the whip at Nottingham and Hastings during these turns for a temple and lighthouse.
View attachment 134394
Got Chuang-Tzu, a great prophet in 1112AD. Wasted a turn sending him down to York to build shrine only to find it built.
Lightbulbed Civil Service and cleared the final 8 turns on it. Started on Paper.Gandhi:
We are down a few techs...
A turn later he came up with this wacko deal.
We scored the circumnavigation bonus in 1136.
Mao gets a little greedy:
Hopefully refusal is not too threatening yet....
Gandhi completes Angkor Wat in 1154
Paper is due to finish this turn. Left a carvel + loaded missionary unmoved. couldn't make up my mind for a destination.
Applied the whip at Nottingham and Hastings during these turns for a temple and lighthouse.
View attachment 134394
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Why didn't you trade Theology for Monarchy and another tech? When I checked Gandhi was willing to trade it. Hereditary Rule could greatly help us with growing our cities. Trading Drama somewhere will also help of course.
Got it BTW and will play in the coming hour.
Got it BTW and will play in the coming hour.
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IT (1160 AD): Make a trade with Caesar: Theo for Monarchy, Archery and gold. I hold off revolting until Paper is finished. Send Confucian Missionary to Rome, he is powerful and Pleased towards us, so converting him may make him a good ally.
Turn 1 (1166 AD) : Paper finished, trade it to Gandhi for Drama, Horseback Riding, World Map and 120 gold. Start on Feudalism and revolt to HR.
Turn 4 (1184 AD): Heron (Engineer) born in York at 19% odds, would have preferred a Prophet as there are no Wonders available at the moment. Hanging Gardens is still available, but we have no Aqueducts, so I start building one in Nottingham and send the Engineer there.
Turn 6 (1196 AD): Confucianism spreads to Antium while our Missionary is still off the coast.
Turn 7 (1202 AD): Tokugawa founds a city on our island
! Nagoya's borders expanded earlier and so his Galley was able to reach us.
Turn 8 (1208 AD): Spread Confucianism to Rome (the city). Rome (the civ) converts a turn later.
Turn 10 (1220 AD): Gandhi founds Islam in Bombay. We meet the last unknown civ: Mali. Mansa Musa is rather backwards, don't see that too often do you? He hasn't met any of the other civs yet. I've also made some deals with Hatty to gain us Happy and Health resources so our cities can grow further. We've reached a population of 2 million by now. Nottingham is 1 turn away from the Aqueduct, don't forget to use the Engineer to rush the Hanging Gardens!
Turn 1 (1166 AD) : Paper finished, trade it to Gandhi for Drama, Horseback Riding, World Map and 120 gold. Start on Feudalism and revolt to HR.
Turn 4 (1184 AD): Heron (Engineer) born in York at 19% odds, would have preferred a Prophet as there are no Wonders available at the moment. Hanging Gardens is still available, but we have no Aqueducts, so I start building one in Nottingham and send the Engineer there.
Turn 6 (1196 AD): Confucianism spreads to Antium while our Missionary is still off the coast.
Turn 7 (1202 AD): Tokugawa founds a city on our island
! Nagoya's borders expanded earlier and so his Galley was able to reach us.
Turn 8 (1208 AD): Spread Confucianism to Rome (the city). Rome (the civ) converts a turn later.
Turn 10 (1220 AD): Gandhi founds Islam in Bombay. We meet the last unknown civ: Mali. Mansa Musa is rather backwards, don't see that too often do you?
He hasn't met any of the other civs yet. I've also made some deals with Hatty to gain us Happy and Health resources so our cities can grow further. We've reached a population of 2 million by now. Nottingham is 1 turn away from the Aqueduct, don't forget to use the Engineer to rush the Hanging Gardens!
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