"Support The Troops"

[KMRblue1027]

The troops go where they're sent. You can take away the politicians pensions for that stuff, I don't care, but don't blame the guys who put it all on the line.

I'm not but unlike the US's earlier wars this century, the entire army choose to waste 5+ years of their life, that's on them. They made a personal decision to join the military knowing full well what that means. If that somehow makes them better than everyone else in your eyes that's fine but they shouldn't have any institutionalized discriminatory process in their favor.

 

[CavLancer]

Better or deserving? Since you seem to like putting words in my mouth I'll just let you decide what I really mean.

 

[Commodore]

Better or deserving? Since you seem to like putting words in my mouth I'll just let you decide what I really mean.

Don't waste your words on him Cav. Someone like him doesn't get it and never will.

 

[CavLancer]

I believe you. I guess I'm about done with this thread Commodore, or I'll just get worked up about nothing. The nation we served supports us...

 

[PhroX]

The troops go where they're sent. You can take away the politicians pensions for that stuff, I don't care, but don't blame the guys who put it all on the line.

Maybe they don't chose where they're sent, but the chose to be soldiers. If they'd been drafted, I'd have sympathy for this kind of attitude, but they weren't. And if they didn't want to be held resposible for then wars they've fought in, then they shouldn't have joined up in in the first place.

 

[trader/warrior]

I find this very strange as well, but then I suppose Norway has an even stranger culture regarding military service in that it's viewed more as a duty of all citizens, to the extent that compulsory military service was recently introduced for women in addition to men. Even though draftees seem to be more of a burden on the military than a help

 

[KMRblue1027]

If you support a policy that is clearly discriminatory than you either need a very very good reason such as the GI Bill in the 40s and 60s or affirmative action for most of the late 20th century. Both rely on the fact that the events that cause this need was not the result of a personal choice. The fact that today's vets choose to serve means that any form of positive discrimination is effectively lifting them above everyone else. So yes you are operating on the policy that they are better than the average citizen.

Don't waste your words on him Cav. Someone like him doesn't get it and never will.

There's nothing to get you chose to be a solider, that doesn't entitle you to any special privilege, you blatantly think that choosing to be a dumb*** gives you the right to have a ridiculous set of entitlements.

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[Commodore]

I believe you. I guess I'm about done with this thread Commodore, or I'll just get worked up about nothing. The nation we served supports us...

Does it though? My brother in law joined the Army Reserves so he could get tuition assistance for college, but about 2 months after he joined Congress decided Reservists and National Guardsmen don't get tuition assistance anymore. Now I have been hearing that the government wants to get rid of Tricare for active duty soldiers and force them to get a more traditional health plan where they have to pay premiums. There has also been talk of either reducing or completely doing away with the retirement pensions for those who retired from the military.

They are slowly chipping away and eroding the benefits we earned. We were guaranteed all of those benefits by contract and now the politicians want to renege on that contract because it's a convenient way to reduce spending to appease their constituents.

 

[JollyRoger]

Seems like it is working like the private sector.

 

[CavLancer]

Does it though? My brother in law joined the Army Reserves so he could get tuition assistance for college, but about 2 months after he joined Congress decided Reservists and National Guardsmen don't get tuition assistance anymore. Now I have been hearing that the government wants to get rid of Tricare for active duty soldiers and force them to get a more traditional health plan where they have to pay premiums. There has also been talk of either reducing or completely doing away with the retirement pensions for those who retired from the military.

They are slowly chipping away and eroding the benefits we earned. We were guaranteed all of those benefits by contract and now the politicians want to renege on that contract because it's a convenient way to reduce spending to appease their constituents.

I must say that I knew of none of this when I joined. I was in to serve the country and defeat communism. After getting out I learned about the VA and said to myself, "That makes sense." and it does, its about giving and giving back. Some ancient once said something like this: "Gratitude is the least natural of human emotions." I can tell you its not getting any more natural...

I was expecting nothing and am glad for what they give me though. Then again, I don't have a pension to get cut, that would irk.

 

[Rashiminos]

"We busted the unions over here so we could bust the unions over there." -'Support Our Troops' Cynic

 

[CavLancer]

I was a border guard. Soviet education was free! But...you owed the state eternal service for it and if you tried to evade this debt by traveling they would shoot you in the back.

Freedom isn't free.

 

[Commodore]

I must say that I knew of none of this when I joined. I was in to serve the country and defeat communism. After getting out I learned about the VA and said to myself, "That makes sense." and it does, its about giving and giving back. Some ancient once said something like this: "Gratitude is the least natural of human emotions." I can tell you its not getting any more natural...

I was expecting nothing and am glad for what they give me though. Then again, I don't have a pension to get cut, that would irk.

I expect the government that I served loyally for the best years of my life to at least own up to their end of the bargain.

 

[CavLancer]

Sure, if they struck one with you. If they advertised x amount after twenty years then yeah, that's your due. Look what the bastards did to the bonus army, could be worse.

 

[FriendlyFire]

I believe veterans should receive $10,000 a month for life. I'd also like to add that this has nothing, n o t h i n g, to do with me being a veteran.

After the American Civil war, desolate union soldiers would turn up at General Shermans home and ask for money. General Sherman would never turn them away. That was the good old days.

Now with 21 Million veterans, payment would amount to.
21,000,000 x 120,000 = 2520 Billion (2.5 Trillion) per year, kinda unrealistic
But the VA dose need more money and needs to be fixed.

 

[Ironsided]

But you don’t want the government to pay out welfare. Don’t you mean all those billions of dollars Halliburton et al. made from rebuilding what you blew up should really seem to trickle down by now? To the people risking their life, limbs and sanity to make it so?

 

[Commodore]

There's nothing to get you chose to be a solider, that doesn't entitle you to any special privilege, you blatantly think that choosing to be a dumb*** gives you the right to have a ridiculous set of entitlements.

Were you wronged by the military at some point in your life? I am seriously asking, because the amount of hostility you are displaying towards soldiers and the military in general makes this seem like a very personal issue for you.

 

[CavLancer]

After the American Civil war, desolate union soldiers would turn up at General Shermans home and ask for money. General Sherman would never turn them away. That was the good old days.

Now with 21 Million veterans, payment would amount to.
21,000,000 x 120,000 = 2520 Billion (2.5 Trillion) per year, kinda unrealistic
But the VA dose need more money and needs to be fixed.

I was joking...

Interesting about Sherman however.

 

[SS-18 ICBM]

Does number 2 require that the veteran be qualified for the job?

 

[Commodore]

Does number 2 require that the veteran be qualified for the job?

Refer to post 15 for my answer to that question.