Sw4 - Waterworld C3c1.22

[soul_warrior]

bad break DBear
but atleast we got 2 leaders, right.
i guess we need to take Vilcas next?
will check save later and see if i can work out a plan.

 

[Whomp]

I got's it.
No worries DB. I'll take 2 leaders any day. What happened to the leaders? By chance would one be available to load on a boat for Pachman? Fortunately muskets are not an issue so we have time to create some hostilities with Pachman. Are the Aztecs talking?

 

[eldar]

No Salt is hardly a bind. I'd rather have 2 Swiss Mercs than 1 Musket any day.
So we won't have Cavs - we got Knights, that not enough? One leader for an Army, the other for HE is what we should be doing....

 

[soul_warrior]

No Salt is hardly a bind. I'd rather have 2 Swiss Mercs than 1 Musket any day.
So we won't have Cavs - we got Knights, that not enough? One leader for an Army, the other for HE is what we should be doing....

couldnt have said it better

 

[Whomp]

Turn 0 Chem in 10. Move lux from 20% to 10% cash goes from 18gpt to 57gpt. Check the trade picture. Pachman has no horses but gives 26gpt, 53g for Chivalry and I throw in a ROP for some potential intel (or idiocy depending on what side of the fence you fall). Turn science up from 40% to 60% at +15gpt.
IBT 2 Aztec galleys appear near Seattle. Smoke has one near Den Helder.
460 AC elite knocks out spear and I introduce DBear Island....

Sign peace with Smoke and he gives 98g, 1gpt and we will use an ROP as well for some idiocy (or intel). He's polite. London 2.3 flip and Hastings 1.5. They better not. Chem down to 5.

IBT Amsterdam disorder, cycle and save 3 others. They must've been fans of the Smoke wars. The palace gets a roof. Do we have some brits building this thing or what?
470 Chem now in 3 as Aztecs are long. Disperse the Phoenicians for 25g. 2 horses in Smoke's territory to view future real estate development.

IBT Mayans and English make peace. Aztec galleys continue north. Knights of Templar completes and it sets off our Golden Age!!! English start Sun Tzu, Mayans start Leo's and Aztecs complete Sun Tzu.
480 Incans have Theo but no deal for powder straight up. We'll wait. The Hague is switched to palace prebuild for...Sistines I guess Den Helder volcano mountain road completes connecting the northern east coast to the core. Breda established south of there.

IBT Uhoh Chango. Aztec galley out of the fog drops off a bow at Holwerd's empty doorstep. In naval action (always exciting) near Breda we sink 1 of the Aztec galleys and do damage to the elite 2/5 but lose a galley. Incans start Leo's.
490 Action at Brighton--we kill 1 spear but other hangs on as both horses redline. Oops drop settler off in wrong spot now that I see the 2 open incense.

IBT Aztecs take a gold piece at Holwerd and sink an empty galley too. Chem to Metal.
500 Dang Incans have chem Trade it to Smoke for 42gpt and 40g. Metal in 5.
Back to Brighton--Horse loses and promotes spear to 2/4. However trumpets please...dadadada...Groovy Soul Dude takes Brighton and produces a new leader Dirck "Dig" Hartog.

FS Eldarberry drops off AC at Holwerd.

IBT zzz
510 Take back Holwerd as AC promotes. Igor's Gal sinks the elite galley east of Atlanta.

IBT Horses see a great battle scene on the Mayan-Aztec borders with bows flying evverywhere and even see a Aztec leader die. Wish I had a pic. Lizzie pops a galley.
520 Merge some workers. We our way beyond our limit and should disband some archers. I wait for Leo's and let the team decide that.

IBT zzz
530 Lucky stars. There are 2 workers at Tlacopan and we have 2 more slaves.

IBT Aztec galley appears again. Blah blah. What's he think he can do.
540 Turn research to 20% +299 gpt. We take out Tlacopan vs. 2 reg muskets as MI redlines and Elite AC 3/5. Pretty lucky there but had reinforcements next. Lose another galley at Holwerd but redline theirs.

IBT Bow attacks MI at Tlacopan and redlined MI promotes. Lose a mountain horse in the Aztec-Mayan theatre. SoZ obsoletes as metal completes.
Leerdam disorder, cycle no others.
550 Incans have metal. Dang. MT in 5. Prep for west island and land at Tlacopan. Not much else.

Our new city Tlacopan and where I see saltpetre......

------Summary------
We have Dirck "Dig" Hartog awaiting instructions in Rotterdam. I think we should disband most of the archers since we are way over our limit.
I've prepped the west coast for Lizzie's destruction in 6. We have 15 more turns at 42gpt with Smoke. We can cancel the MA with Pachman vs Aztecs if we want. We're getting 26gpt and ROP from Pachman for 10 more turns.
The Aztecs are begging for peace but WW isn't a problem. Lux gets tweaked anywhere from 10 to 20%. I would press on. Teayo's saltpetre is 5 turns from Philly. Leo's will complete I think in 2 but The Hague will eventually need a place to put it's prebuild. I let you wonder guys figure what's best.

 

[soul_warrior]

----eldar - Up now
----tubby rower - on deck
----Bede -
----soul_warrior
----Admiral Kutzov
----IroquoisPlisken
----DBear - got us 2 leaders
----whomp - just played

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

The establishment of an academy to train the future military commanders of our many armies would be most desirous. Maybe in the Hague. Does it have the capability to do 50+spt in the future?

 

[Whomp]

We haven't been given the option for writing heroic epics yet.
Not so sure about 50spt for The Hague anytime soon. It has quite a few shields stored up and is 38 turns for the palace IIRC. Rotterdam and the southern core rock.

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

MT lets us build the military academy...

 

[eldar]

Well, let's just look at the save, shall we?

Okay, first, here's the bad news: we have serious WW problems since Lizzie landed a lone Archer next to London and I couldn't get any units there quick enough This lead to us losing a sea-bound Galley with 2 Knights in it, bound for one of Lizzie's cities.

The slightly better news: Lizzie has 2 cities left, but they're miles from each other, and us.

The really good news: Not only do we have the aforementioned academy, but thanks to Monty landing right next door to one of our Armies on the "mainland", our scribes in New Amsterdam, with the help of one of our Great Leaders, rapidly penned an epic poem, detailing the deeds of our heroic troops. Word has it, our Elite troops in the field have been somehow inspired by this work - but I'm yet to see it, the bunch of slackers that they are.

Okay, details:
0 550 Starve London and Hastings, flip risks are still too high. Rush a Settler in Seattle, I plan to use it to get us a base closer to that Inca Saltpeter. Starve Tlacopan as well. Guessing the leader hanging round is to rush MilAc once we get MilTrad. We have two Armies that can't go anywhere without Galleons and they've not been used in anger (HE is unavailable and not built anywhere!). However the ability to build them is probably better than having another right now.

IT: Aztecs drop a unit off on the mainland, I'll sort the HE issue. Pachman asks to renew the MA, I tell him to get lost. New Amsterdam built a Knight and doesn't have a Barracks, NA->Court. Arnhem Aqua->Lib. Seattle Settler->Worker. DBear Worker->Harbor.

1 560 Kill the invading Aztec LB with the ACav Army - now where to build HE? Hague has a Palace pre-build but would waste too many shields. Think I'll use the spare Leader! Rush HE in New Amsterdam.

IT: NA HE->Court. Rotterdam Kni->Kni. Eindhoven Kni->Kni. Leiden Settler->Knight.

2 570 Capture Huexasomething. Found New Rotterdam, it will allow us to irrigate the northern part of the continent.

IT: Roos Galley->Lib. Bedehoven Kni->Court. Tlac Walls->Temple. Delft Market->Rax. Dbear Harbor->Temple. Zwolle Harbor->Worker.

3 580 Disband a couple of Barb camps but that's about it.

IT: MilTrad->Theo, but Theo's available for sale now so I'll buy it and start on PP. Utrecht Kni->Kni. Get the MilAcad message, Hague switched, due next turn. Maastricht Kni->Kni. Haarlem Market->Aqua. We have War Weariness. I plan on making peace with Monty this turn anyway.

4 590 Capture Tepethingy. Dial up Monty and get peace, we've cleaned up his nearby settlements. Pick up Theology from Smoke for Metallurgy, all his gold, and a Worker. Metallurgy+Incence+Dyes to Monty for Wines (NOT part of the peace deal).

IT: Maya want Alliance vs. Monty? No thanks. Amsterdam Leo->Worker. Rotterdam Knight->Knight. Hague MilAc->Army. Soulwerd Court->Worker. Harlingen Aqua->Galley. Tilburg Galley->Worker.

5 600 Where do those Barb camps keep coming from? One popped up in the middle of a bunch of Workers!

IT: Amsterdam Worker->Knight. Roos Settler->Harbor. Hastings Galley->Harbor. Eindhoven Kni->Kni. Tlac Temple->Library. Delft Rax->Kni. Enschede Galley->Worker. Holwerd Worker->Harbor.

6 610 Get bored, DoW vs. Lizzie. Capture Leeds easily.

IT: Coventry riots (still an English citizen in there). Soulwerd Worker->Market. Leiden Kni->Kni. Dover riots. Tilburg Worker->Galley. Dordrecht Harbor->Galley.

7 620 Lose 2 Horses outright attacking Oxford 3rd wins, still an Elite Spear in Oxford.

IT: Edu->Astro. Amsterdam Kni->Kni. Rotterdam Kni->Kni. Bedehoven Court->Kni. Canterbury Galley->Harbor.

8 630 Take out Oxford.

IT: Utrecht Kni->Kni. Maastricht Kni->Kni. Haarlem Aqua->Galley.

9 640 Damn! An English Archer will take back London next turn.

IT: England take back London. Amsterdam Kni->Uni. Eindhoven Kni->Kni. Atlanta Harbor->Worker. Arnhem Library->Galley. Harlingen Galley->Court. One of our Galleys sinks since we lost the Lighthouse - with a couple of units in it. WW shoots up.

10 650 Grab back London, but too late for the WW. The boat that sunk had 2 Knights in it. I've MMd for happiness and bumped Lux up - finish off Lizzie as quick as possible. Possibly move after Pachman's Saltpeter too - I've included a screenie.

Plus one of Lizzie's more remote hideouts, because I only just spotted it myself:

Neil.

 

[eldar]

As you can see, Den Haag got the MilAcad simply because it had the shields, and I'd used the spare MGL for the Epic.

 

[Whomp]

Dang I thought I changed all the non-rax units being built. He needed to be promoted anyhow. Did you disband the archers or are we going to Leo them?

 

[eldar]

I think we should disband a load of stuff on the mainland - mainly Archers and Spears, and any Warriors. The GA will end soon and the strain on our economy will go up.

 

[Tubby Rower]

t0disband some 1 archer and 1 spear
lower science to 50% Astroglide still due in 2

t1 Lizzy wants peace. I couple get Reading but I say no
Incans want no more of paying 26gpt for a RoP
they will give 5gpt but no
Lots of builds complete which I won't detail here
According to the Great Tacitus, we are the Largest nation in the world, duh!
cat fails at Newcastle and decide to risk it. horse wins over spear and take

Newcastle
all Ships headed to Reading

t2watch Aztecs spill Mayan blood on our soil
Mayans want to extend peace...ok. I think that Incans were next anyway
Learn the wonders of Astroglide -> Physics @ 70% (4turns)
Incan worker starting to road our saltpeter.
rushed a caravel to transport over a bunch of knights

t3watch a few Mayan-Aztec battles....I think that the Aztecs are gonna

win this one.
Mayans ask us to leave
Golden age ends
New Amsterdam riots
cycle through rest of the cities....I hate that part about ending a golden age
land a couple of knights next to Reading

t4 destroy English
reduce lux to 20% (-10 gpt now)
decide to start war with Incans before they can upgrade pikes to muskets
build embassy with Aztecs. They only have one source of iron, horse, & salt
Tenoc... is fortified with 7 muskets and is producing 15 spt.
Mayans don't know the Incans...hmmm
Notice that the Aztecs are already at war with the Incans so hold off on MA
Take Vilcas

t5Cuzco builds Sistine
Leiden riots doh. I thought that I had them all.
Move some troops

t6move troops to next Incan city
drop off some troops west of our island to take an Incan outpost
Notice an Aztec galley wondering by our second island so divert a caravel

headed west back there to drop off some troops and hopefully block their

movement

t7get Physics -> banking @ 50% (due in 5)
start copurnicus in Amesterdam
take Incan outpost
moving more troops into position

t8take corihua... Now have gems after roading is done

t9Aztecs & Inca smoke peace pipe
5 resisters quelled in Corihua...
pillage Incan iron disconnecting western incan cities from their core

t10 a couple of cities rioted...Mapstat didn't warn me??

8 knights outside of Cuzco.
6 more near Corihua... to be deployed south or east.
a few knights in core built last turn that need to be moved.


The 750AD Save

 

[Admiral Kutzov]

the idiot contingent requests a screenie. we're visual, not verbal.

 

[Whomp]

Good stuff TR. Sistines could be ours after all. I didn't catch it did we get saltpetre?

 

[Bede]

Oh goody, I got it.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Yes we have saltpeter. It's not connected yet but there are 3 workers & 2 slaves on it and next turn Bede can just hit the 'R' key a few times and start producing cavs.

Sorry about the lack of screenshot I hadn't downloaded DocT's tool yet and didn't want to burden your modem, A-K.

I'll try to get a pic from MapStat now that I'm at work and post it here momentarily

 

[Tubby Rower]

Click on the picture for a larger version

There are 8 knights in the yellow circle and 6 more in the green circle. I had to draw the roads from memory but that's purty close to where they are.

EDIT:: BTW Cuzco has the great wall so all of the continental Incan cities have walls

 

[eldar]

D'oh, forgot to say, give Pachman Metallurgy before declaring! Nice work though