Taliban Prisoners revolt

[Lefty Scaevola]

800 Taliban/Al Qaeda prisoners (the "Arabs" foriegners) from Kunduz have revolted taking over part of the castle where they were being held. They had retained numerous weapons because they had not been body search by NA captors, and aquired more from their guards. NA casualties have not been released by their commander. Two USA personnel were trapped in the area controled by the revoltees. One has been reported killed, the other holding out. 300 of the revoltees have been killed during special forces counter attack to free the trapped USA personnel. The Battle is ongoing. Survivors will face the death penalty if convicted of attacking their guards.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

No prisoners.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Thoses that lay down their arms will again be taken prisoner, but since all are subject to severe criminal penalties, and semm to be hard cases in general, many will fight to the death, and as they did at Kunduz, murder some of their fellows who do try to surrender. Their will likely be only a couple of hundred left for courts-marshall.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

I'm surprised the forigeners even surrendered in the first place.

Surely they will be killed as foriegn invaders when this is over.

Fight or die is their only option.

I wonder if they and still laughing, singing, and dancing about the people who were murdered on 9/11.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

The NA suggests that the surrender and revolt were pre-planned, in order to get with stricking distance of USA personnel.

 

[CurtSibling]

The Talibah dogs should be glad they were given the option of surrendering.

I wouldn't give them even that...

 

[FearlessLeader2]

makes a vicious kind of sense, but given that it is a violation of international law, I'd say they're all war criminals now.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
makes a vicious kind of sense, but given that it is a violation of international law, I'd say they're all war criminals now.

Does the American military code of conduct not require that all POW's actively resist their captors? In any way posible. If these prisoners were not properly searched for weapons by their captors is that THEIR problem?

I would think that a camp full of captured American marines would do exactly the same thing if faced wth the same situation (locked up in a POW camp and miraculously finding that you still have WEAPONS in your possession)

From what i have read it is a POW's DUTY to actively try to escape from confinement. This has always been understood by both sides.

So how can this make the taliban war criminals?

(I could be wrong - I'm not trying to start a fight - I obviosuly do not know the military code of conduct off by heart but I thought this was so)

I'm sorry but being in an army that just happens to be at war with YOUR country does not automatically make that person a war criminal. It makes them a soldier of an opposiing force. They are people just like the soldiers of OUR armies.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Wrong, as usual, when talking about law, Redwolf. The duty to escape and (passively) resist does not include any violence against guards (or any others) which is a very serious criminal offense, usually punishable by death is serious harm or death occurs. The last mass excution in the USA was six German POWs hung for killing a fellow POW. A combatant who has laid down arms may not fight until exchanged or excaped back to their own lines.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
Wrong, as usual, when talking about law, Redwolf. The duty to escape and (passively) resist does not include any violence against guards (or any others) which is a very serious criminal offense, usually punishable by death is serious harm or death occurs. The last mass excution in the USA was six German POWs hung for killing a fellow POW. A combatant who has laid down arms may not fight until exchanged or excaped back to their own lines.

Lefty,

I humbly apologize then. In my post I admitted that i did NOT know the law by heart and that I was not sure.

However I don't think this by any means makes them evil people in a moral sense.

I'll ask the same question again - Can anybody honestly tell me that a camp full of captured American Marines would NOT use the weapons that they had managed to hold on to in order to escape/revolt?

Especially if they were being mistreated/tortured? (as i have no doubt the taliban prisoners are) There is no RIGHT in afghanistan among combatants - just varying degrees of wrong.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by RedWolf

Especially if they were being mistreated/tortured? (as i have no doubt the taliban prisoners are) .

Your are, without a doubt, wrong about your mistreated/tortured assumption support only by your personal bias. The prisoners were simply contained in a large open courtyard area, with guards on the walls, with no physical contact from the too few guards, and in relatively easy veiw of numerous journalists, some inside the compound with the revolt started.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola


Your are, without a doubt, wrong about your mistreated/tortured assumption support only by your personal bias. The prisoner were simpled contained in a large open courtyard area, with guards on the walls, with no physical contact from the too few guards, and in relatively easy veiw of numerous journalists, some inside the compound with the revolt started.

I don't mean that one prisoner... I mean the treatment of prisoners in that camp in general.

Personally if you believe that Taliban prisoners are NOT being mistreated than you are foolish. Their captors are people that executed enemy soldiers lieing down their arms remember?

During the Vietnam War American prisoners were pranced around for the media as well. The North Vietnamese tried to portray themselves as these lenient mercifull people that gave medical treatment and adequete food to their american prisoners.

They took great care to give this image through press conferences and the like - However we all know that the reality is FAR from the truth. American Prisoners behind closed doors were horribly and brutally tortured (and this is a crime against humanity just as the torture of a Taliban prisoner would be)

I'll stick with my old quote:

"There is no RIGHT in afghanistan among combatants - just varying degrees of wrong."

 

[joespaniel]

If American's had captured them, they would have stayed captured. We dont play around with POWs, and Im speaking from experience. They are treated humanely, but are searched and secured very well, for everyones protection.

Lefty is correct. They have the right to try to escape, but once they resist...Blam! Game over.

This was obviously planned ahead of time. Think of the mindset it takes to sacrifice 800 people to kill 2 Americans. The stupidity. The sheer barbarism. Cutting off your face to spite your nose hair, sheesh!

Good thing for us, at this rate (800-2) they will run out of martyrs very soon.

Al-Quaida can burn in hell.

 

[sonorakitch]

"I would think that a camp full of captured American marines would do exactly the same thing if faced wth the same situation (locked up in a POW camp and miraculously finding that you still have WEAPONS in your possession) "

I don't think marines would pull hand grenades in a suicide attempt if captured.

~Chris

 

[joespaniel]

Red Wolf - It is common practice in Afghanistan for no prisoners to be taken, so this is a new thing for the NA. Most likely due to US pressure to not kill the enemy after defeating/capturing him.

Obviously, Al-Quaida once again used our own "weakness" against us.

Its a western concept, not theirs. In Afghan war, you defect before being captured and you are embraced as a brother. Once a battle begins, and you give up, your dog-food.

Strange to be sure, but that is their way.

 

[BlueMonday]

by Lefty Scaevolo:
They had retained numerous weapons because they had not been body search by NA captors, and aquired more from their guards.

Further evidence of the incompetence found in the Northern Alliance. What a bunch of amateurs.

 

[joespaniel]

Originally posted by BlueMonday


Further evidence of the incompetence found in the Northern Alliance. What a bunch of amateurs.

Yep. Goes to show how Al-Quaida could nest there for so long.

We should have done this three years ago. But then again, that was before a "new day of infamy". It takes a Pearl Harbor for this country to get up and do something sometimes.

At least its getting done now.

Bye, you rotten bastards!:rocket:

 

[CornMaster]

I know that if I was a POW I would use any means necessary to escape/kill as many of MY COUNTRIES enemies as possible. It's not Dodge Ball people....once your tagged out, you can't play anymore.

I mean if I had a gun....I would kill the guard and escape. Who wouldn't?

And these whole war crimes things....could someone point me in the direction of when I can find a list. To see the action and the related penalties.

 

[Achinz]

It seems they've stuck to the end and claimed their martyrdom bringing down a few NA personnel. Obviously Amnesty International is not going to grace the practice of "keep no prisoners" in its call for an inquiry into the killings.

Interesting to

1. hear a NA commander acknowledge that the Chechans are the most valiant of the foreign Taliban fighters

2. note how coy the US Special Units personnel were about being filmed in this operation.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola


Your are, without a doubt, wrong about your mistreated/tortured assumption support only by your personal bias. The prisoners were simply contained in a large open courtyard area, with guards on the walls, with no physical contact from the too few guards, and in relatively easy veiw of numerous journalists, some inside the compound with the revolt started.

The Commander in charge of the fort was well known for gross violations of human rights.

I think it's a pretty safe assumption that prisoners were not being well treated.