Tamils in 600 CE/Fixing up early South India

[awesome]

The more I think about it, India should probably just be another decolonized civ. change the current India's name to Maurya, make the capital Paliputra and have it spawn in 300 bc with Ashoka as the only leaderhead and some quick uhv fixes to match. That way, you can have your Tamils, Mughals, etc. as for "India," the new unit can be the Ghatak Platoon/Force/whatever (replaces infantry, immune to first strikes and starts with commando). If India is not a minor civ, which would definitely make sense, since the India game will probably be short, some uhvs can be to control the southern tip of India by such and such date, build Hollywood and then something else

 

[Cosmos1985]

+1 to the proposed Mughal changes.

 

[iOnlySignIn]

Ah. I'm so glad everyone agrees.

Mughal Core & flip zone should be smaller and moved west to properly represent their Turko-Persian origins.

It'd be a hell lot more fun to actually invade the Ganges plains.

 

[Lone Wolf]

The more I think about it, India should probably just be another decolonized civ.

I think that including the Mughals was a mistake in the first place. Their incompatibility with India leads to unelegant solutions like that.

 

[Leoreth]

I think that including the Mughals was a mistake in the first place. Their incompatibility with India leads to unelegant solutions like that.

I think you've made your opinion heard.

 

[Lone Wolf]

Fine, I'll shut up about that

 

[Hightower]

The more I think about it, India should probably just be another decolonized civ. change the current India's name to Maurya, make the capital Paliputra and have it spawn in 300 bc with Ashoka as the only leaderhead and some quick uhv fixes to match. That way, you can have your Tamils, Mughals, etc. as for "India," the new unit can be the Ghatak Platoon/Force/whatever (replaces infantry, immune to first strikes and starts with commando). If India is not a minor civ, which would definitely make sense, since the India game will probably be short, some uhvs can be to control the southern tip of India by such and such date, build Hollywood and then something else

I like this idea a lot, other than the name, as the Gupta Empire was at least as important as the Maurya Empire in Indian cultural history. And Chandra Gupta should also be included as a leader still. Not sure on what the name should be, but see below.

One thing you could do is change the north India civ to the "Indo-Aryans" and the south India civ to the "Dravidians". The Dravidians are broader than the Tamils (so them transitioning to Vijayanagara, which was ruled by Kannadas rather than Tamils, is not inaccurate), and that split reflects the ethno-linguistic divide in India accurately (see below maps of the Indo-Aryan languages and Dravidian languages). The dynamic names would still apply typically, so you'd rarely see the "Indo-Aryan" or "Dravidian" names anyway. (The Indo-Aryans would be the Indian Mahajanapadas or the Maurya Empire or the Gupta Empire or the Pala Empire (would need a name for later medieval north India, though); the Dravidians would be Tamilakam or the Chola Empire or the Vijayanagara Empire.)

 

[iOnlySignIn]

^ Those dynamic name changes sound very nice.

Before they settle their first city, India should be "Indo-Aryan Peoples" and Tamils should be "Dravidian Peoples". In fact I think they might be already.

 

[Leoreth]

Yep, they are. I don't think the civs themselves need to be renamed, but more dynamic names are always welcome.

 

[BenZL43]

So how about the Mughal change? It does sound exciting.

 

[Leoreth]

Right now I don't want to open the can of worms of upsetting the balance of a civ that in itself works well at the moment.

 

[BenZL43]

maybe later the focus is on South America anyway haha

 

[awesome]

I think that including the Mughals was a mistake in the first place. Their incompatibility with India leads to unelegant solutions like that.

It wasn't really called India until modern times. This can be solved with dynamic names, but it would also make sense to have a colonial respawn.

Plus, I really like my unit idea.

 

[civ_king]

It wasn't really called India until modern times. This can be solved with dynamic names, but it would also make sense to have a colonial respawn.

Plus, I really like my unit idea.

Yes, the Puranas are very modern.

 

[awesome]

Yes, the Puranas are very modern.

Do the Puranas say "India," or do they say aryavarta or something like that? And don't be that guy.

 

[civ_king]

Do the Puranas say "India," or do they say aryavarta or something like that? And don't be that guy.

Bharata which is what Indians call India.

 

[Leoreth]

A civ can respawn without being playable and getting all sorts of new unique assets. In fact, most do.

 

[soul-breathing]

If there will be a new India as decolonized civ, then there should be a new China to represent China after Mongol invasion. Of course, the respawn China can also represent it, but it's not playable.

In my opinion, there's a lot of differences between China before Mongol invasion and after Mongol invasion, at least, no less than Ancient India and Mughal.

 

[Leoreth]

- there will be no "new India"
- the Mughals will stay
- India will respawn at some point

This is an immutable fact I am stating for the record.

 

[awesome]

Bharata which is what Indians call India.

That's like saying that America was called America before it was called America because the Native Americans had other names for it. The word "India" is English, based on the Greek "Inde." I literally meant the word "India."
But either way, India is fairly important in its current state and I'm glad it's being represented, even if unplayable. Same with China.