Tang Dynasty vs Umayyad Caliphate

[Masada]

I was going to say that

 

[Ajidica]

The Arab Caliphates are often exaggerated because the Europeans lost the Crusades.

Errr, the Crusaders weren't fighting any Caliphates, they were fighting various princes and Sultans. The Caliph by that time was essentialy a figurehead.

 

[Masada]

That's been said three times now

 

[Leoreth]

Can't be said often enough

Also, I just noticed that according to the poll, the only way a war between two powers that together span about half of the world could end is either white peace or complete annexation.

 

[WWTVICTOR]

Errr, the Crusaders weren't fighting any Caliphates, they were fighting various princes and Sultans. The Caliph by that time was essentialy a figurehead.

My fault, Saladin's reign was 1174-1193 A.D., you are right

 

[Leoreth]

Saladin also was never Caliph.

 

[WWTVICTOR]

Saladin also was never Caliph.

His wasn't a Caliph. He was a Sultan from the Egyptian Ayyubid dynasty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saladin

Well, seems it gone so far, plese focus back on the topic of Tang and Umayyad.

 

[Leoreth]

So he doesn't represent the Caliphate ... I assume this was what you were implying?

 

[WWTVICTOR]

Moderators, please delete this post.

It is an extra post, Civciv5.

 

[Civciv5]

Moderators, please delete this post.

 

[Lord Baal]

Basically sums up the whole thread, doesn't it?

I'm casting my vote for this "peace threaty" thing. What is a threaty? Who knows, but I'm sure it involves cake and lapdances, based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

 

[aelf]

Peace threaty is like a paradox. Otherwise known as threaty peace.

"Were it not for that accursed Great Wall we would soon teach you a lesson in manners."

 

[christos200]

Arabia would have taken over china, china will becom muslim and an islamic republic in modern times.

 

[LightSpectra]

Peace threaty is like a paradox. Otherwise known as threaty peace.

"Wow, that's the most beautiful, romantic, touching, and slightly threatening e-mail I've ever read."

"It's both threatening and romantic, it's threat-mantic!"

 

[Lord Baal]

Arabia would have taken over china, china will becom muslim and an islamic republic in modern times.

Because the Arabs performed so well against much less powerful empires on more manageable terrain, like Byzantium and the Franks?

 

[J. pride]

Because the Arabs performed so well against much less powerful empires on more manageable terrain, like Byzantium and the Franks?

Actually they did perform pretty well. The only thing preventing them from conquering the Byzantines in First and Second siege (of Constantinople) was Greek Fire and Constantinople the best defended city in the world.

If by Franks you are referring to the Battle of Tours, than u would surprised to know that the importance of the battle is blown way out of proportion in Western History. It is generally agreed by historian that the battle was nothing more than a skirmish by the Arabs in order to plunder and loot. While it is true that if the Arabs won the battle, they would be encouraged to carry out an actual conquest but the battle itself had little importance in Arab history.

Arabia would have taken over china, china will becom muslim and an islamic republic in modern times.

I don't know if your being sarcastic but the worst that could have happened was the Arabs conquering Xinjiang and spreading Islam to the region. This would have made little difference in the long run because Xinjiang eventually converted to Islam anyways. The only real difference one would notice is that Islam would have penetrated Western China even further

I wonder how an all out war would have shaped the East Turkestan independence movement

 

[Masada]

Actually they did perform pretty well. The only thing preventing them from conquering the Byzantines in First and Second siege (of Constantinople) was Greek Fire and Constantinople the best defended city in the world.

I'm pretty sure that had more to do with attenuated supply lines, than Greek Fire.

 

[J. pride]

I don't have the source at hand right now but the reason the Byzantines were resupplied were because of Arab Navy's lack of ability to secure the Bosporus and the Golden Horn. Greek Fire killed fleets and fleets of Arab ships thus not only destroying the navy but killing thousands of troops!

 

[TheDanish]

To quote Penny Arcade, "this whole exercise is intellectually bankrupt."

 

[Midnight-Blue766]

The Europeans didn't lose the Crusades against "the Caliphate".

Look more closely:

The Arab Caliphates