Terror attack stopped in mid-air!

[Crazy Eddie]

Someone with C-4 explosives in their shoe and a false passport is probably not just mentally ill...

 

[Juize]

Originally posted by Crazy Eddie
Someone with C-4 explosives in their shoe and a false passport is probably not just mentally ill...

Even very smart people can be mentally ill. So thats about it.
Somehow I'm having still a feeling that he was not mentally ill...

 

[Crazy Eddie]

"Somehow I'm having still a feeling that he was not mentally ill..."

That's what I meant, it was a reply to ComradeDavo's post.

 

[Maj]

All emotion aside, the man is entitled to due process. Let's not concentrate so hard on fighting monsters, that we become monsters ourselves.

Hear hear. Let us all hope the witch hunt has not already begun.

That aside, anyone else at all frightened at the fact that plastic explosives, a fuse and a pack of matches are so easily concealable? Had he gone into the bathroom and attached the C4 to the ceiling, or used it to gain access to the cabin by blowing the door in...fortunate for the passengers this attack was prevented partly by their courage and effort, but mostly by the terrorist's blunder. One person's mistake, is another person's fortune.

-Maj

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

For shame Corn, did you take a silly pill before posting this?

Originally posted by CornMaster
Anyway....the reason I put "terrorist" in quotes because we have no idea if he belongs to the "terrorists" of 9/11.

Irrelevant.
I never said he was connected, but he IS a terrorist.

I heard he was a French guy....and that's why I did it. He's just a hijacker that tried to light an explosive in his shoe on an airplane....actually....he wasn't even a hijacker.....as far as I know....he didn't make any demands or anything.

A high jacker IS a terrorist!
What is the matter with you today, Corn?
This post of yours is quite ridiculous!

He was "subduded" by parinoid passagers before anything could have been done.

Paranoid?
That implies irrational fear, when in fact, the danger is and was real here, nothing paranoid about it.

Although no one knew he had a bomb (unless he said "I have a bomb..." but I wasn't there....so I'll assume he didn't say that.)

Yes, people always have fuses in their shoes.

The flight attendant attacked him because she smelled? sulfur....and a match.

And if she didn't, he would have ignited that C-4 in his shoe and killed them all.

People helped her because a man was beating on a woman.

A little current events here, Corn.
They helped her because they didn't want to get planted like the people on 9/11

Thus the guy was tied up and the plane landed.

I would have thrown him out over the atlantic.

Now....unless he said "I have a bomb" no one could have known that he had a bomb...and thus why I called the passangers "parinoid".

I already pointed out that your useage of this word is incorrect here.

They were jumping to the defence of a flight attendant, not subduing a terriost.

Bull.
Now YOUR assuming facts not in evidence.
There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is most likely a duck.
You letting a love of due process corrupt your judgement so severly that your not seeing the forrest for the trees, so to speak. If this guy's shoes wern't loaded with exploses you might have a point, but they were, so your point is moot.

Both are still noble acts. But you can't call these people heroes............because they aren't.

They sure as hell are, by EVERY defination of the word, they put their lives on the line to save themselves and others, heroes in every sense of the word.

BTW, the FBI says he's 6'5, so much for you "eyewitnesses"

All emotion aside, the man is entitled to due process. Let's not concentrate so hard on fighting monsters, that we become monsters ourselves.

FL2, He tried to blow up a plane load of people.
How much "due process" do you need?

I have to say, congratulations to the passengers. Letting the terrorists just walk over them with box cutters last time was pathetic, i hate to say it.

Before 9/11, terrorists usually landed somewhere and made demands, so the people on those planes were trying to stay alive, not realizing they were dealing with inhuman monsters. When the truth was understood on the forth plane, the people fought back, and even though their lives were lost, nobody was killed on the ground.

 

[CornMaster]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae
Irrelevant.
I never said he was connected, but he IS a terrorist.A high jacker IS a terrorist!

They asked why...so I said why.

If you don't agree that's your problem. Not mine. It was my reason and I stand by it.

What is the matter with you today, Corn?
This post of yours is quite ridiculous!

I disagree....that's why I posted it. I feel most of your views are quite ridiculous, but I don't go around saying it. (Exception....this post)

Yes, people always have fuses in their shoes. And if she didn't, he would have ignited that C-4 in his shoe and killed them all.

Oh...I forgot. Everyone knows what a fuse and C4 in a shoe looks like.....where was my head. /sarcasm

A little current events here, Corn.
They helped her because they didn't want to get planted like the people on 9/11

Excatly....a parinoid reaction, brought on by fear.

I would have thrown him out over the atlantic.

Were lucky your on the ground then.

There is an old saying, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is most likely a duck.

I underlined the part that I try to stress in my posts. Most Likely......it isn't an absolute term. Maybe this guy was an anti-Taliban agent that was attempting to destroy the plane to stop a shipment of biological weapons to Taliban agents in the US. Your irrational action of throwing him out of the plane would have doomed the US people. We have NO IDEA what his intentions were...and until he has gone through due process.....you can not cast judgement!!!!!

Please don't call my post silly.....I dislike that very much.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by ComradeDavo
You can't just condem someone as a terrorist, he might be mentally ill for crying out loud!!!!! I am quite appaled to see people baying for his blood at such an early stage

I'm not going to feel sorry for a terrorist if they are mentally ill.

If that bomb exploded, and all those people died, his mental condition wouldn't have saved anything.

 

[Alcibiaties of Athenae]

Originally posted by CornMaster
They asked why...so I said why.

If you don't agree that's your problem. Not mine. It was my reason and I stand by it.

Your entitled to your opinion, no matter how off the mark it is.

disagree....that's why I posted it. I feel most of your views are quite ridiculous, but I don't go around saying it. (Exception....this post)

Oh really?
Well, why don't you point them out?
I'll glady debate anything I say against your views any day of the week.

Oh...I forgot. Everyone knows what a fuse and C4 in a shoe looks like.....where was my head. /sarcasm

No, what you forgot is common sense.

Excatly....a parinoid reaction, brought on by fear.

Again, nonsense.
Nothing paranoid about it, the word implies irrational fear, their fear was quite rational and justified.
Give this up, your plain wrong here.

Were lucky your on the ground then.

Why Corn, so he can live to someday do this agin, or inspire others?
Cry me a river for killers, I never will.

I underlined the part that I try to stress in my posts. Most Likely......it isn't an absolute term.

Here's an absolute for you:
If that stewardess had done nothing, we would be talking about another plane load of dead people, this is the most important fact here, all else is irrelevant.

Maybe this guy was an anti-Taliban agent that was attempting to destroy the plane to stop a shipment of biological weapons to Taliban agents in the US.

By igniting C-4 bomb hidden in his shoe?!!?
I don't think so.

Your irrational action of throwing him out of the plane would have doomed the US people.

Irrational action...HAHAHAHAHAHA
All a suicide bombibg idiot could ever tell me is how Allah is waiting for him with open arms...HAHAHAHA
Oh, I forgot, suicide bombers are always given sensitive information before their mission, just in case they fail and are captured, they can reveal all, and spoil the whole plan.

We have NO IDEA what his intentions were...and until he has gone through due process.....you can not cast judgement!!!!!

His intention was to kill a plane load of people, and I sure as hell can cast judgement.
Due process..."did you try to blow up the plane"?
"yes"
There is your "due process"
I could give a rat's ass for his cause, or for giving him a platform for it.

Please don't call my post silly.....I dislike that very much.

So I see, just as I find some of the things you said here quite disturbing.

 

[andycapp]

If I was on that plane and saw the flight attendant wrestling with a man who had been trying to light something I would have done exactly what those passengers did - it's called survival not "paranoid"!

The fact that the passengers may not have known exactly what this man was attempting or even if they did know and were aware that (correct me if I'm wrong) you can't ignite C4 in this way is irrelevant. If he was engaged in the behavior that was reported, than clearly he was a potential threat to other people on the plane - after Sept 11 that doesn't constitute paranoia but quick thinking and common sense.

Whether this man turns out to be a member of al Qaeda or a copy cat fruitcake with mental illness is irrelevant to the actions of the passengers and crew who were trying to subdue him.

Originally posted by CornMaster

Please don't call my post silly.....I dislike that very much.

"Silly" as a description of your post is an understatement! Corn I'm interested to know what you would have done if you were in the position of those passengers?

 

[Juize]

Moderator Action: Juize, your lucky I didn't see that post first.
If you EVER do it again, you will be banned, no warning.

AoA
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[damunzy]

Moderator Action: By all that is holy Juize! Can you ever post on topic? Consider this another warning. Your jokes are really not needed if you aren't going to post about the topic. If I see a post that is newer than mine that is offtopic I will consider it spam and suggest some nasty tortures for you.

One more time. SunTzu, you are being WARNED that your actions in here are not in accordance with CFC policy. I cannot believe that you act this way. If you continue like this I will be forced to edit your posts and suggest a banning to Thunderfall because you are a sorry excuse for a moderator. Absolutely no more flamming.

CornMaster, please let's try to not reply that way to people that flame. You have mod powers, just edit his crap and report him to Thunderfall like I am about to.
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On topic:
I can understand Corn being defensive, since he was attacked by SunTzu. I disagree with him though. If I, as a passenger, see a stewardess wrestling with a man, that is biteing her BTW, I would jump in b/c I have a belief that she is only looking out for our best interests. Also, there is a hightened sense of tension on planes b/c of 911 and even if he was just lighting a fuse in his shoe that did nothing, 1. He should not be starting a fire in a plane (and yes even a lit match is a fire) 2. If I see fuse I think explosive device and thankfully those HEROS on the plane did also or we might have another disaster on our hands.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Go read one of the umpteen articles available. You would do well to heed the wisdom contained herein:

"It is far better to keep silent and seem foolish, than open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
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PH76

 

[CurtSibling]

Originally posted by CornMaster


Oh...well SunTzu your a $#%#% @#% *** #$ #% #$#$%^&% @#$@#$ then.

And guess who I blame for my harsh words??? Everything else but me.

Convient excuse, far overused. People can't accept the blame for anything anymore....it's sad.

Anyway....the reason I put "terrorist" in quotes because we have no idea if he belongs to the "terrorists" of 9/11. I heard he was a French guy....and that's why I did it. He's just a hijacker that tried to light an explosive in his shoe on an airplane....actually....he wasn't even a hijacker.....as far as I know....he didn't make any demands or anything. He was "subduded" by parinoid passagers before anything could have been done. Although no one knew he had a bomb (unless he said "I have a bomb..." but I wasn't there....so I'll assume he didn't say that.) The flight attendant attacked him because she smelled? sulfur....and a match. People helped her because a man was beating on a woman. Thus the guy was tied up and the plane landed. Now....unless he said "I have a bomb" no one could have known that he had a bomb...and thus why I called the passangers "parinoid". They were jumping to the defence of a flight attendant, not subduing a terriost. Both are still noble acts. But you can't call these people heroes............because they aren't.

So noble Cornmaster, would communists handle the situation better then?

The guy is called Reid, he used a UK passport...and is nuts...:crazyeyes

 

[CrayonX]

With the direction this thread is going, I can't believe some of you guys are moderators.

Let's just all calm down now.

All I can say is, Happy Holidays!

 

[damunzy]

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[CornMaster]

Originally posted by andycapp
I'm interested to know what you would have done if you were in the position of those passengers?

I would have done the excat same thing.

As I said....coming to the aid of any person in trouble is a noble act that I would wholeheartly take part in.

What I'm against is emotional, and irrational statements made by AoA and some others on this board. AoA would have thrown him overboard. Now...what good does that do? (Forget the fact that half the people would have probably been injured but the large change in pressure and other things.....) We need to hear his side of the story no matter how cut and dried this looks. He may provide us with other information.....he might be with ANOTHER terriost group....or he could be mentally ill (as someone pointed out). Your quick-to-judge attuide WILL NOT help the situation in any way, shape, or form. And only casts a shadow......

Lets say for example.....he was mentally ill. He is now marked as a terriost. You have done that too him.....you and the American Media. That's why I'm against such quick-to-judge attuides. I often take up opposing view points to my own, just to get a point across. For the record....I think the passangers and flight attendants acted appropretly. I would have done the same thing. However.....I totally disagree with AoA's assesment of the situation.

Note: Now....I accidentally put the word "parinoid" on the actions of the passangers.....I meant to put that word on the actions of the American people and the Media in hyping and judging this incident without proper evidence. And I apoligize for that mistake.

 

[Thunderfall]

Have a joyous holiday, everyone. I am closing this thread...