The 65-Civ Mod!

[Yaotl]

Where are the Byzantines!? I REFUSE to allow any one to make a mod with the many civs with out them!

Lol they should be in the list, they lasted for some thousand years and Constantinople was unbeatable until Suliman came in.

wow. good going buddy. a repressed minority in a country, that ahve never had any kind of control over their land, they are clearly more advanced than the egyptians or malians or ghanans, and obviously miles ahead of the bantu culture. they've obviously been involved in as many historical events as the cathaginians and the zulus right? and im sure they'll be delighted to hear that they've been evicted from america, they dont belong anymore.

argh the sarcasm is hurting my head

Thank you. Now back on the subject. They have been a big part of American politics and culture if you are unaware about that. Right now they live in a far better state thatn any other African culture. They are endurant and fought for freedom and equality. And who know's if such a civ existed maybe they boot out the U.S. They are key pieces in the superpower the U.S. I find it justifiable. They've even had prominent scientists and great thinkers like Martin Luther King Jr. I'm not trying to put you down i'm just stating fact.

Well I think we have a civ in almost every corner of the world maybe we should include Antarticans.... lol, j/k (though someone did make that civ).
AlCosta ummm.... a few q's

Will you be needing the xml stuff, cities, leaders, etc.?
Have you consulted the missing civilizations thread they have lot's of info.
Will you need any help?

 

[Yaotl]

Ohh... I just thought of sometghing how about all the tribes that came into Europe and oblirated the roman empire the ostrogoths and all the others I can't think of. I guess they were pretty crucial what do you guys think.

 

[Gav]

They have been a big part of American politics and culture if you are unaware about that. Right now they live in a far better state thatn any other African culture.

you're an american then i take it? been to africa lately? its not sticks and stones anympre.

They are endurant and fought for freedom and equality. And who know's if such a civ existed maybe they boot out the U.S. They are key pieces in the superpower the U.S. I find it justifiable. They've even had prominent scientists and great thinkers like Martin Luther King Jr. I'm not trying to put you down i'm just stating fact.

MLK would be outraged to find that rather than being accepted as an equal american, he has been dumped out of america, which henceforth will be home only to those who are white, anglo-saxon and protestant. all those other silly cultures like asians and hispanics can leave too i suppose?
america's diversity and non-conformation to the standards o f the civilisation game are what makes it a nation and not just another colony. america without its african americans becomes new england.

 

[Gav]

Ohh... I just thought of sometghing how about all the tribes that came into Europe and oblirated the roman empire the ostrogoths and all the others I can't think of. I guess they were pretty crucial what do you guys think.

yes, the vandals and the goths played a big part in that part of history, but later were transformed into other cultures such as spain, lombardi (the basis of italy), sicily, etc. they are certainly a candidate but then to include them would be a duplication of other states?

 

[Red Door]

yes, the vandals and the goths played a big part in that part of history, but later were transformed into other cultures such as spain, lombardi (the basis of italy), sicily, etc. they are certainly a candidate but then to include them would be a duplication of other states?

Yes they did. I actually tried to include them earlier but was shot down.

Ohh... I just thought of sometghing how about all the tribes that came into Europe and oblirated the roman empire the ostrogoths and all the others I can't think of. I guess they were pretty crucial what do you guys think.

Hmm..I think they could be represented by France and Germany.

Well I think we have a civ in almost every corner of the world maybe we should include Antarticans.... lol, j/k (though someone did make that civ).
AlCosta ummm.... a few q's

Will you be needing the xml stuff, cities, leaders, etc.?
Have you consulted the missing civilizations thread they have lot's of info.
Will you need any help?

Yeah, we do its amazing.
Anyway I would love some help. I can do some, not much XML stuff. Cities I can do. Leaders is something I'd like to learn.
But anyways, if you want to help, please do.
Thank you.

Where are the Byzantines!? I REFUSE to allow any one to make a mod with the many civs with out them!

They were one of true "Empires" at its peak it was almost as big as the Roman empire, it lasted over a 1000 years(how many other empires can say that? hmmm!) The greek "empire" hardly lasted 10 years...

I will allways kick my self for not help defending it in 1453...

P.S. The Hagie sofia wonder movie is a joke right? It shows the muslem additions being added at the same time the dome is going up! THE OTTOMENS ADDED THAT 800 YEARS AFTER IT WAS COMPLEATED!


sorry, I will calm down now.

hmm, the Byzantines? I could try including them but Asia Minor is getting packed. Its not that big you know.

The huns were different from the mongols. the mongols were just a kingdom commanded by the ghengis khan, that came and went pretty quickly. hungary is based upon the slavicisation of the Magyar people, who were related to the Huns. thats why i think either the magyars or the huns should be in. for both to be out is to cut out a big vhunk of europe.

i dont think pakistan should be in, as there are so many more influential central asian muslim cultures in history. the mughals are significantly different from the indians, and as such i would choose them to represent central asia's muslims.

britons were just a tribe of celts, forget i mentioned them, scandanavians / normans would be a better inclusion.

The Huns were descended from the Mongols however. I would like to include them, but there are more deserving civs. You're the first person to disagree with Pakistan. The Mughals are very important however. I will have to make a decision on that. Scandanavians are in.

 

[Yaotl]

MLK would be outraged to find that rather than being accepted as an equal american, he has been dumped out of america, which henceforth will be home only to those who are white, anglo-saxon and protestant. all those other silly cultures like asians and hispanics can leave too i suppose?
america's diversity and non-conformation to the standards o f the civilisation game are what makes it a nation and not just another colony. america without its african americans becomes new england.

Ok, of course it's not only sticks and stones I am not an ignorant but you must admit that they are at a higher living standard b/c they live in the U.S.
I don't understand your "dumped out" argument when a nation becomes independent it does not think of itself as being dumped out plus it's not like if by making the civ they'll automatically be dumped out. I am a proud Mexican-American and I have many African-American friends and they aren't insulted. Dude this is only a game and a mod forum not to be used for discussions. You're taking this to seriously plus on my seocnd post I was not advocating for the civ anymore but stating fact about their culture.

 

[Yaotl]

I can help with the info. on civs just tell me which ones

 

[Gav]

Ok, of course it's not only sticks and stones I am not an ignorant but you must admit that they are at a higher living standard b/c they live in the U.S.

its a very complex argument... they are in the US because of colonialism... some african countries are very poor because of colonialism... if they werent in the US then there would have been no colonialism... so the african countries wouldnt be poor. besides which, there are countries in african which live up to western standards of living, which is how americans judge people...

but as you said, this isnt the time or place for this discussion. we're taling about adding more civs to civ 4, and as it is, the nearest thing to a Sid Meier Civilisation involving africans in america (apart from america) is Jamaica, which doesnt quite qualify in my opinion.

 

[Yaotl]

Well lets leave by gones as by gones

 

[Red Door]

I can help with the info. on civs just tell me which ones

Thank you so much. There is still civ debate. I think we should start info next weekend.

 

[FullyCompletely]

Byzantines, Swiss, Belgium, Magyar/Huns, Goths all have a place, in my opinion. If space is an issue, then far less influential civilizations (Maori, Inuit) should be bumped.

yes, the vandals and the goths played a big part in that part of history, but later were transformed into other cultures such as spain, lombardi (the basis of italy), sicily, etc. they are certainly a candidate but then to include them would be a duplication of other states?

This is inevitable - look at Rome and Byzantine, or Aztecs and Mexico, or the Celts and a lot of Europe.

 

[Red Door]

Byzantines should be in game.
Swiss are not essential
Belgium is already in.
Magyar/Huns can be represented by Mongolia
Goths is duplicate of Germany.
Maori and Inuit, in my opinion are very good choices.

 

[Red Door]

Just wanted to update you on Civs so far:
18 Firaxis ones
Sumeria(the mysterious 19th)/Babylon
Israel
Maya
Canada
Carib
Armenia/Scythia
Bulgaria
Songhai
Vikings
Scotland
Celts
Khmer
Carthrage
Ethiopia
Vietnam
Korea
Aboriginies
Austria
Ottomans
Portugal
South Africa/Zululand
Minoa
Argentina
Brazil
Netherlands
Belgium
Kazhaks
Touaregs
Pakistan
Siam
Polynesians
Micronesians
Hawaii
Syria
Tibet
Finland
Sioux
Congo
Iroqouis
Inuits
Turks
Navajo
Mexico
Sweden
Poland
Australia
Maori

 

[Yaotl]

Hey you should talk w/Civ Army 1994 the dude has made pretty cool leaderheads. Unless of course you're prepred to them.

Maybe you should reconsider the Indonesians they are distinct and have control of many islands.
Is there any notable civs in Siberia it's going to look pretty lonely. Except of course the Russians.
How about Moors or Berbers in North Africa
Phillipines?
Quebec? Or some nation to balance the N.A. continent
Wow, we do have a small world I can't think of anything else

Where are the Micornesians and Polynesians and what are basic differences?

 

[Red Door]

Hey you should talk w/Civ Army 1994 the dude has made pretty cool leaderheads. Unless of course you're prepred to them.

Maybe you should reconsider the Indonesians they are distinct and have control of many islands.
Is there any notable civs in Siberia it's going to look pretty lonely. Except of course the Russians.
How about Moors or Berbers in North Africa
Phillipines?
Quebec? Or some nation to balance the N.A. continent
Wow, we do have a small world I can't think of anything else

Where are the Micornesians and Polynesians and what are basic differences?

Actually, I'll send him a PM. Thank you for that idea. Siberia is going to be raced for colonizing. Berbers are in. Phillipines and Indonesia. Quebec isnt a civ yet. The NA continent is crowded at this point. Micronesians and Polynesians are in central and south Pacific. Now that I think of it, Micronesians can be replaced. They're is not much of a difference except for place.

 

[FullyCompletely]

Do you actually intend to make this?

 

[Yaotl]

Micronesians and Polynesians are in central and south Pacific. Now that I think of it, Micronesians can be replaced. They're is not much of a difference except for place.

Yeah I kind of thought the same thing.

Do you actually intend to make this?

Why not

 

[Red Door]

Uh yeah, I to intend to make this.

@Yaotl, maybe we should replace Micronesians with one of the other debated civs.
Oh yeah, CivArmy is allowing us use of his leaderheads plus he said he is willing to make a couple more if I request it.

 

[Pbhead]

I did not see Byzantines in that(most resent) list...

Need I remind you that it covered north africa, egypt, persia, most of italy, the balkins, and turkey at its hight?
Give it Constantinope(not Istanbul) as its starting city and give it Super Uber walls as its UU (ok, maybe not)

What limits the game to only 65 civs? some code or something? why cant we do 100 civs or 1000 civs? that would solve the problem of fitting all of the smaller ones (Byzantine does not fall into that catogory)

{edit} I like the Holy Roman Empire too it included Germany, italy, poland(slavs), astria(spelled wrong) some of france and the balkins... I don't see it as Germany Because they were a "republic" of many fuedal kings with a elected leader.

 

[LAnkou]

well, there is no limit i think, i'm still at 48 civ for superciv mod and I don't see any reason why i couldn't continue....

just ask the OP