The 65-Civ Mod!

[FullyCompletely]

Okay, so Inuit are essential while Swiss are not. Cough. Cough. Sneeze.

Awoooooga. We've sprung a leak.

 

[Great_Scott]

Wrong. Totally wrong.

Hehe, merabah!! Sorry SpincruS! My fiancee is half romanian and half turk. Her dad is turkish and he told me that story. I immediately checked it out, found he was wrong. I questioned him later about it and he said it was an old story that kicked around for a while...

I thought I'd post it, I know it has no historic relevance. But in all seriousness, the Ottoman Empire was mainly comprised of the Turkic peoples, so I disagree with both being separate civs..

 

[Great_Scott]

Ok this is starting to get confusing... I think the structure has to be re-thought here. We have to look at eras, and geography. We have to look at the defining civs throughout time in their respective regions. And the 65 (why 65? 64 is a much better number, as it can be divided easily etc) should be broken up into regions and eras..

For example.. Europe should be given the largest share.. hypothetically, say, a third of the spots. And then a bulk of spots to Asia & the Middle East, I would say about an equal amount for each.. then Noth/South America, less that Asia & Middle East.. but equal to each other.. then finally a few (and i mean a few) spots to Africa, Oceania (& the Pacific).

So first we decide on what regions get what share... then we can have an easier task of allocating the 'X' spots for Europe... then do the 'X' spots for Middle East, etc etc.

 

[Red Door]

Ok this is starting to get confusing... I think the structure has to be re-thought here. We have to look at eras, and geography. We have to look at the defining civs throughout time in their respective regions. And the 65 (why 65? 64 is a much better number, as it can be divided easily etc) should be broken up into regions and eras..

For example.. Europe should be given the largest share.. hypothetically, say, a third of the spots. And then a bulk of spots to Asia & the Middle East, I would say about an equal amount for each.. then Noth/South America, less that Asia & Middle East.. but equal to each other.. then finally a few (and i mean a few) spots to Africa, Oceania (& the Pacific).

So first we decide on what regions get what share... then we can have an easier task of allocating the 'X' spots for Europe... then do the 'X' spots for Middle East, etc etc.

65 because that's what i feel like. Really, if you want to make a mod with 64, be my guest. And I think we have divided all the spots equally. Although, there are a couple more in Oceania than I'd prefer.

Okay, so Inuit are essential while Swiss are not. Cough. Cough. Sneeze.

Awoooooga. We've sprung a leak.

You know the Swiss have done nothing for the world besides store its money. The Inuits, I will agree, did not do anything but are a very cool group of people.

well, there is no limit i think, i'm still at 48 civ for superciv mod and I don't see any reason why i couldn't continue....

just ask the OP

I dont think theres a limit either but I know at the current time we are only able to support 18 civs in one game.

I did not see Byzantines in that(most resent) list...

Need I remind you that it covered north africa, egypt, persia, most of italy, the balkins, and turkey at its hight?
Give it Constantinope(not Istanbul) as its starting city and give it Super Uber walls as its UU (ok, maybe not)

What limits the game to only 65 civs? some code or something? why cant we do 100 civs or 1000 civs? that would solve the problem of fitting all of the smaller ones (Byzantine does not fall into that catogory)

{edit} I like the Holy Roman Empire too it included Germany, italy, poland(slavs), astria(spelled wrong) some of france and the balkins... I don't see it as Germany Because they were a "republic" of many fuedal kings with a elected leader.

Nope you did not. Although at this point, it is the leading canindate to replace the Micronesians. There is no limit to civs, at least thats what we've found so far, I'd like to do a 500-civ mod but think of the work that would be required. I'd like to see the Holy Roman Empire in but at this point with the opposition against it, it doesnt sound too great.

 

[Pbhead]

I can't wait to see how it turns out!

you are taking my rough commets quite well I will try to be nicer in the future.



As long as there are the Byzantines...

 

[Red Door]

Ah, its okay. You should have seen the comments from my last mod!
Anyways, at this point the Byzantines look like they're going to be in.

 

[Red Door]

Seventh Change:Byzantines In, Micronesians Gone

 

[Red Door]

I guess we're going to start on leader, UUs, etc.
First civ:Sumeria!

 

[Yaotl]

YAR!!!

I'm going to sleep it's 11:30pm here in LA.

 

[JDexter]

Isn't the holy roman empire a combination of french and german tribes. So technicly they arnt their own civ

As a German I agree, in a regular civ game you do not need the Holy Roman Empire (of course in a middle ages mod or the like it's great - in fact I started it as a civ in a German forum, but nobody seemed to be interessted). You can play four leaders of nations that are suceeders to the Empire.

Regarding Switzerland I don't understand that you shouldn't include them - they have been around in Europe for a long time and their soldiers fought many wars (as mercenaries hired by kings and emperors). There were also some important poeple born there and the region (before it was Switzerland) was important economically. I vote PRO Switzerland any day instead of the many "unknown" native civs.

 

[Red Door]

Switzerland hasn't done much again. If you read up on those native civs, you'll find them quite interesting.

 

[Red Door]

Seventh Change:Byzantines In, Micronesians Gone
What do you guys think of this?

 

[JDexter]

Switzerland hasn't done much again. If you read up on those native civs, you'll find them quite interesting.

So the swiss Habsburger family is not important you say? Of course that's just one example. If you can read German or enjoy reading translated texts go to wikipedia.de, search for Schweiz and read the chapter Geschichte (english: history).
Or to name someone else: Zwingli was one of the great reformists of the catholic church. Or what about Henri Dunant who founded the Red Cross?
Switzerland split from the Holy Roman Empire and hasn't changed much since then. That's quite a long time for you to call unimportant.

As for native civs: Most of them didn't do anything that has or had an influence on the world as a whole or even on a continent as of today. And I don't mean Inca, Maya or Aztecs and "big players" like them.

 

[Red Door]

Well, do you really honestly think there is room for the Swiss?
Huhh.... And they're not THAT important. Sure some specific families have done stuff but what has the nation as a whole done?

 

[Gav]

So the swiss Habsburger family is not important you say? Of course that's just one example. If you can read German or enjoy reading translated texts go to wikipedia.de, search for Schweiz and read the chapter Geschichte (english: history).
Or to name someone else: Zwingli was one of the great reformists of the catholic church. Or what about Henri Dunant who founded the Red Cross?
Switzerland split from the Holy Roman Empire and hasn't changed much since then. That's quite a long time for you to call unimportant.

wow. 3 great people. no notable culture. no notable national achievements. can i be swiss?

 

[Oregano]

This mod sounds great, however... If I can throw my 2cents in for whatever it's worth, I think the problem that we're seeing is a confusion of nation states and cultures.

Nation states come and go (Nazi Germany, the Holy Roman Empire, feudal Japan, etc.) However, cultures tend to hang on for much, much longer, and typically tend to be more wide spread than this nation state or the next - this is represented in game by the religions at present.

What would be interesting is focusing this more on sub-cultures as opposed to nations states. With 65 playable races, you could take and use an arc of five peoples from a given geograpic area (Europe: The Celts, Germans, Gauls, Spanish, & Italians for a quick off the top of the head example) and come up with 13 unique groups that would all share something in common, yet each be distinct, and have a little extra control over the mod development.

Just some ideas.

Cheers,
~Oreg.

 

[Red Door]

Wow, that it is a good idea.
Btw, Welcome to CFC!
Anyway, I think the civs are set and now we will start making decisions on the new leaders, UUs, etc.

 

[Flying Couch]

That thing about Finland...
Finland is, from what I can tell(correct me if I'm wrong) something of a diffusion of cultures between Slavic and scnadanavian, unique enough to warrant its own civ.

Also, I would make the same arguement that Scotland and Ireland and Wales are culturally different enough and have never been politically connected in any way, so they should each have their own.

 

[Red Door]

Yeah, thats the argument I'm using to put them in this mod. Really, I'd like to make a 300-civ mod but its not possible because of time restraints. Unless you guys dont mind waiting.... .
Now its time for the civ work. Im going to try and get two leaders for each civ.
So first we need two leaders for all the Firaxis civs.
First civ:Rome
Leader:Julius Caesar
UUretorian
2nd Leader Possibilities:Augustus(Octavian), Scipio, Constantine, Any more?

 

[Pooks]

I'm no expert on Rome.. but..
Trajan ruled rome when it was at its largest BUT CAESAR IS A BETTER CHOICE

He was descended from an old Roman family, and was adopted in 97 by the Emperor Nerva. Trajan was one of the ablest of the Roman emperors; he was stately and majestic in appearance, had a powerful will, and showed admirable consideration and a chivalrous kindliness. He gained a large amount of territory for the empire and laid the foundations of civilization all over the provinces by the founding of municipal communities. He established order on the borders of the Rhine, built the larger part of the boundary wall (limes) between Roman and Germanic territory from the Danube to the Rhine, and with great determination led two campaigns (101-2 and 105-7) against the Dacian king, Decebalus, whose country he converted into a new province of the empire. Two other provinces were conquered, although neither proved of importance subsequently. The Governor of Syria conquered Arabia Petraea and Trajan himself entered Armenia during the Parthian War (114-7).


Romulus - Romulus slew Remus and became the sole ruler of the new Rome, which he had named after himself. He took Hersilia as his wife.