The 65-Civ Mod!

[Sildo]

I think Mexico is a civ as much as anyone, they have been around for almost as long as the US. They have alos done a good bit in the modern world. Quebec isn't (and never will be) a country. I say that you replace Quebec with Mexico.

 

[Yaotl]

Why mexico? You have Atzecs allready?

Wow you're Estonian that's so cool dude! Well to the point.

That's like saying why the U.S. we have the Iroquois

Plus there are many cultural, territorial, language, and national differences.

Modern day Aztecs are part of Mexico
Mexico is not a part of Tenochtitlan the Aztec Homeland
and by no means are the Aztecs the same as the Mexicans

Don't take offense i'm just correcting here

Argentina? I can see y they r important the Falklands and the dictator dude who i'm forgetting his name. But as for the great powers of Latin America it has always been Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico. People might not consider it a civ because of immigration or columbinization but when I see Mexican history and culturee it's quite beautiful (Plus I'm Mexican ) and all civs have their sins.

 

[LittleRedPoint]

Wow you're Estonian that's so cool dude! Well to the point.

That's like saying why the U.S. we have the Iroquois

Plus there are many cultural, territorial, language, and national differences.

Modern day Aztecs are part of Mexico
Mexico is not a part of Tenochtitlan the Aztec Homeland
and by no means are the Aztecs the same as the Mexicans

Don't take offense i'm just correcting here

Argentina? I can see y they r important the Falklands and the dictator dude who i'm forgetting his name. But as for the great powers of Latin America it has always been Argentina, Brazil, and Mexico. People might not consider it a civ because of immigration or columbinization but when I see Mexican history and culturee it's quite beautiful (Plus I'm Mexican ) and all civs have their sins.

Well, the era stuff would be cool

If it is possible to mod the game so that if you capture the capital, or the empire gets to big, then a revolt or civil war happens. So that new civilizations can enter to the game. Something like separation. As it happend to me in one civ3 game. I captured the English capital and Japanese get their freedem back before the Japan was captured and destroyed.

 

[Red Door]

I think Mexico is a civ as much as anyone, they have been around for almost as long as the US. They have alos done a good bit in the modern world. Quebec isn't (and never will be) a country. I say that you replace Quebec with Mexico.

okay, but quebec is out. Mexico I'd like to put in, but Aztecs are in Mexico. What if I put a Mexican leader with the Aztecs?

The list ain't extremely bad, but there are huge overlapings. Why Macedonian and Minoan if there are Greeks? It would make sense in an ancient only mod (like TAM) where one could have even more Greekish cultures (Mycenean, Athenian, Spartan, Syracusean, Ionian - depending on era and/or focus) but in a generic mod it's an overkill. It's like putting Ottomans, Turkmens and Turks as separate civs. BTW Turks should be in - not as Ottomans, but as Turks since this is their ethnic name anyway. Ethiopian and Abyssinia is another "too much". French and Franks and Germans and HRE are two more.

Wouldn't you like to define a focus of the mod, first? I mean, what era? What consists a (worthy to include) Civilization? Want balance for an equal spread all over the map? Want different civs by era (that would be an interesting mod, btw) or doesn't mind overlapping civs?

The Macedonian is another one that could be taken out, however having Minoa would be very good for the game. I think they should have been in originally. Abyssinia is probably gone, only Ethiopia will be there. Franks and Gauls are two other "fillers." I didnt like them. They will be cut.

As of era, there is no specific era, this is just a mod to add 65 civs of different eras. A civilization is something that people will remember in 500 years and have remembered in my opinion.

About Finland, they are definately not scandinavians, they are different racial orign "soome-ugry" like we call it in estonian (we estonians are the same racial orign) Hungaryans are too "soome-ugry". Scandinavians are germanic, gothic nations. Scandinavian countries are - Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Island

Thats why Finland is in.

Yes, I being Mexican found your coment about mexico rather offensive.
Posted by AlCosta15:As of Mexico, I do not think they qualify as a civ yet.

I really dont see how this is offensive. And again Mexico is borderline of being in.

Isn't the holy roman empire a combination of french and german tribes. So technicly they arnt their own civ

Technically, isn't England a combination of Briton, Anglo, and Saxon tribes. You cant say you cant be a civ because you dont have a ethnicity named after you.

SpincruS, would you agree that the Turks should be in?

You should include a number of native philippine tribes:

Agto
Wari-Wari
Negretios
Egorit
T'boli
The Moro's
Visyains

If I put a couple of tribes in from one nation, then I should include a couple of tribes from a bunch of nations, right?

For the love of god, take out Quebec.

Consider it "done."

 

[wolfman1234]

Well about the Argentina-Mexico issue, i think argentinians are more like spanish than the mexican are. I am spanish, not mexican,not argentinian.

That could be said too for the usa, canadians, australians, etc. and the english. I mean, culturally, are there a lot of diference between them for say they are a different civilization? Or is only a matter of marketing?

But well, Mexico has aztecs long before actual nation, and that is a really a unique civ.

 

[Red Door]

okay, i get it. If Argentina is in, so should Mexico.

And that is why Mexico is in!!!!!!!

 

[Red Door]

I got a new idea from someone in a PM.
How about Bulgaria?

 

[Samez]

Short question: why do you want so many civs in one game? even with hugest worldmaps earth would be to small to repressent the countries somehow correctly.... This would just be possible with a kind of landmarking like it was done for civ 3 at Rhyse of Civilizations...

 

[Pooks]

I think it could be cool in the beggining.. cause it automatically makes u start of with war fare..

I envision a world map with lots of 1 city tribes. and yes half of these civilzations will be destroyed by 0 AD..

but u know I feel it will be fun..

EXAMPLE.... someone picks Greece... they have their Athens city.. and right of the bet.. they notice that there are Neighbors not far to the north.. the Bulgars..

so right off the bet,,, chances are u are gonna have to fight and only one of the 2 will survive... depending on which civilization u decide to be..

Same would go with France and Germany.. it won't take long before they run into each other.

--- if u prefer city building.. u choose the Argentinas.. with no near by competition.. u can take your time.. but in Europe with all the warfare, and all the alliances and Technology trading.. those civs should become more advanced..

what happens when they two run into each other?
Aztecs versus Mexicans.. (since they're going to be both in this it looks like) they will also have their clashes..

and the North American Indian civilzations there are a number of them in this.. they will be a force..

THIS COULD BE FUN.. not sure how the CPUs will handle all this.. but cant hurt to play

 

[Red Door]

the problem is...at this point only 18 civs are allowed on the map.
At this point, the point of this mod is to allow the player to have the option of picking 65 civs instead of 18. I could also make a couple of earth maps with the preplaced positions.

The CPU can handle it. We've seen it in Rhye's of Civilization. It will be a struggle for survival.

 

[Red Door]

okay change four is now here:
Removed Holy Roman Empire, added Bulgaria.
Thank you and continue posting.

 

[Frodawg]

I'm still wary on the turk and ottoma issue, i would like to see byzantium, but then the Aegean would be even more over packed, come to think of it i think that is the problem so far, too over packed in some places and under packed in others.

Maybe the Gupta empire, Maurya empire, and Mughal Empire in India?

Maybe the differant dynasties in China? That would represent competing families.

Manchu?

Xiongnu and Timurid Empire could also add turkic cultures on the steppe which is semi-empty.

Khmer-rouge maybe

 

[Red Door]

Ooh, i forgot the Khmers. Thank you. As of different civs in one place, i'll try to balance it as much as I can.
I don't like the idea of different dynasties or empires that could be represented by one country. Maybe some leaders from those eras will help?

 

[Frodawg]

well Timur from the Timurids, but that was one of countries that the Genghis Khans empire broke into.

The Mughals were a islamic/mongol empire in India pakistan afghanistan area
-Akbar the Great
-Shah Jahan--he had the Taj Mahal built

SuryavarmanII reigned when Angor Wat was built for the Khmers

throwing a couple more out Scythians, Magyars/Hungary, Olmec, Toltec, Songhai

 

[Frodawg]

charlemagne and the Franks

 

[Shqype]

Add Albania.

 

[Meatlord]

The Hittites should be in... an ancient but powerful civ that dominated much of what is now Turkey and Asia Minor.

 

[Red Door]

i think mongolia is fine by itself. as of the muhgals, i think they can fit under Pakistan or India.
Albania? This isnt name a random country and put them in the mod thread.
Id like the Hittites, but their area is crowded.

 

[Shqype]

If you want an ancient civilization , then put in the Illyrians.

 

[Yaotl]

Yay Mexico is in,

back on the topic ummm..... you got the Zulus right, and Ethiopia. How about ummmm..... (I type while I think lol) how about civs in Oceania their mostly excluded and have a good amount of native american tribes.

This is a far out idea but how about African-Americans? So far I thinks they are the most advance of all african cultures.