[RD] The all-meat diet.

[Mouthwash]

Our hunter-gatherer ancestors ate tons of plant life.

That is absolutely false. Even if you don't buy (as he claims) that Inuit and Australian Aborigines had ketogenic diets, they ate substantial amounts of meat.

Not all meat is non-toxic, you've gotta watch out when eating a certain type of fish for instance..

OK, "certain type of fish is dangerous" against "most plants are inedible and a fair share of them are deadly." I think meat wins.

Plenty of documentation on this. Green vegetables specifically. You could read research all day.

If someone could (provably) maintain optimal health solely on animal products, this trumps all the research that says otherwise. If you're looking to test it, why not start there and save yourself a lot of effort?

And even if it were possible to live like this, just...why?

Because you could cure diabetes, obesity, and every other malady associated with blood sugar? You wouldn't have to worry about food all the time? You could dry fast for days (which is provably beneficial) with hardly any effort?

Like scrape by eating 400 grams of liver every day, or whatever, when you can have an orange once a week and be fine? It seems like an unnecessarily stressful way to live.

It specifically says that organ meats aren't necessary... but you probably do have to eat your meat rare. You decide if that's 'stress-inducing.'

 

[Hygro]

Mouthwash I know you're trying to find the easiest diet you can justify. I sympathize.

 

[Mouthwash]

Mouthwash I know you're trying to find the easiest diet you can justify. I sympathize.

Confession: I tried it for three days and I've never felt less hungry (aside from the carb cravings). I can't really describe the feeling to you. It was like being a kid again.

 

[Hygro]

If I eat enough steak and chicken I feel like I have superpowers.

But I need vegetables and spices and fruits to have really intelligent thoughts. And when I blend a greens + fruit smoothie, after a week or two I'm functioning like I added 10 mg of adderall without any of the side effects, which is like the go-power that meat gives me.

 

[sophie]

Too much meat with nothing else makes me feel gross. There's nothing more satisfying than a good salad.

We return to my original problem: what's the point? Why deny yourself the absolute best parts of food for a diet whose benefits are spurious at best?

 

[Synobun]

Too much meat with nothing else makes me feel gross. There's nothing more satisfying than a good salad.

We return to my original problem: what's the point? Why deny yourself the absolute best parts of food for a diet whose benefits are spurious at best?

Meat good. Root bad.

 

[warpus]

OK, "certain type of fish is dangerous" against "most plants are inedible and a fair share of them are deadly." I think meat wins.

I can't argue with the fact that meat wins, but my point just was that you said "Meat is non-toxic", but toxic forms of meat exist. So you should have said "The vast majority of meat is non-toxic"

Might sound like a very pedantic observation, but vegetables need all the support they can get

 

[Mouthwash]

Too much meat with nothing else makes me feel gross. There's nothing more satisfying than a good salad.

I never came close to achieving ketosis and I'm guessing you haven't either. Meat will probably taste differently then.

We return to my original problem: what's the point? Why deny yourself the absolute best parts of food for a diet whose benefits are spurious at best?

Because those benefits aren't spurious, they're substantial and well-established. The whole question here is whether there are other benefits that only plants can give.

 

[sophie]

Because those benefits aren't spurious, they're substantial and well-established. The whole question here is whether this lacks other benefits that only vegetables and minerals can give.

I honestly don't care dude. You do you. Me, I'mma eat these Brussels sprouts I just fried up

 

[Hygro]

To put it better, the complexity of my thoughts increases with the complexity of my diet.

 

[Narz]

That is absolutely false. Even if you don't buy (as he claims) that Inuit and Australian Aborigines had ketogenic diets, they ate substantial amounts of meat.

Why obsess about two tribes out of thousands who lived in terrible climates, had to adapt to extreme diets and aren't known for extreme longevity?

Most tribal folks consume a wide variety of plant foods as I stated. Iirc, the bushman ate about 80 different types of herbs in a single week.

If someone could (provably) maintain optimal health solely on animal products, this would trump all the research that says they are necessary.

More than 1 person is a hermit, living in a hut with no access to friends, social connections or vagina. That doesn't mean it's hesltht or optimal.

If you're looking to test it, why not start there and save yourself a lot of effort?

Why on earth would I want to do that? Green vegetables are good for you, plant foods are delish. Should I stop caressing and banging women too?

If I want to experience the benefits of ketosis I can fast a week a year and enjoy my palate, designed by evolution to help me enjoy the sweet, savory pleasues of life the other 51 weeks. We're not cats and even cats enjoy catnip and munch on grass.

I understand the desire to make everything simple, find someone who claims they have a super restricted diet which makes their life super easy. I used to obsess about extreme diets, thinking they'd make my life better but dietary obsession reaches diminishing returns quickly. I already don't drink alcohol. Eating is a bonding experience for humans.

I do know a guy who eat raw paleo for a year or two, almost exclusively raw meat daily. I used to live in his house. I don't really talk to him anymore tho as his politics are wacky.

 

[W|M]

In his defence, raw meat is pretty good

Eating only meat seems like an effective way to get super-high cholestrol levels though, among other things

 

[REDY]

I like to eat more meat at the expense of bakery products and pasta

Only meat diet sounds less silly than vegan diet, but still silly.

 

[Mouthwash]

Why obsess about two tribes out of thousands who lived in terrible climates, had to adapt to extreme diets and aren't known for extreme longevity?

They had a reasonable longevity (at least the Inuit did, I'm unable to find specifics on the Australians).

Most tribal folks consume a wide variety of plant foods as I stated. Iirc, the bushman ate about 80 different types of herbs in a single week.

I thought we weren't talking about tribes that lived in extreme climates. The Kalahari seems like a pretty good example of an extreme climate, no?

More than 1 person is a hermit, living in a hut with no access to friends, social connections or vagina. That doesn't mean it's hesltht or optimal.

Your claim is that human biology requires something found in only plants or minerals to maintain itself. Ergo, the health of any human should not be maintained if they don't eat plants or minerals. A single instance of a human maintaining excellent health while not eating plants or minerals is enough to disconfirm it. Game over.

Why on earth would I want to do that? Green vegetables are good for you, plant foods are delish. Should I stop caressing and banging women too?

No, I meant that it's a lot easier to observe a single human being (or several) than familiarize yourself with a whole body of literature that doesn't have a reputation for being very rigorous in the first place. If you don't trust testimonials, get in touch with someone doing this.

If I want to experience the benefits of ketosis I can fast a week a year and enjoy my palate, designed by evolution to help me enjoy the sweet, savory pleasues of life the other 51 weeks.

If your palate is genuinely suited to your circumstances than you must have missed that whole agricultural revolution thing. Who knew that billions of years of evolution based on the assumption of scarcity wouldn't leave you with good instincts now that scarcity is gone?

I do know a guy who eat raw paleo for a year or two, almost exclusively raw meat daily. I used to live in his house. I don't really talk to him anymore tho as his politics are wacky.

That's not Paleo. The Paleo diet involves vegetables, fruits, nuts, etc.

 

[Hygro]

I like to eat more meat at the expense of bakery products and pasta

Only meat diet sounds less silly than vegan diet, but still silly.

I know some vegans. They are pretty healthy. Also pretty much the same as before they were vegan.

 

[Mouthwash]

I know some vegans. They are pretty healthy. Also pretty much the same as before they were vegan.

That is, not healthy. (Compared to pre-agricultural humans.)

 

[Hygro]

Maybe. They would tell you otherwise.

 

[Yeekim]

Your claim is that human biology requires something found in only plants or minerals to maintain itself. Ergo, the health of any human should not be maintained if they don't eat plants or minerals. A single instance of a human maintaining excellent health while not eating plants or minerals is enough to disconfirm it. Game over.

No, it wouldn't be enough. There are people who are...outliers, not to say "freaks".
For example, there are well-documented cases of people who've gone for years without sleep without any ill effects. Hardly a good suggestion to the general population.

Also, scurvy used to be a problem for a reason. Yes, it has been mentioned you can get enough vitamin C if you eat, like, a pound of liver a day.
But why would you subject yourself to this, if you could just eat an orange or a few strawberries once in a while instead? And I say that as someone who quite likes liver.
It's not as if this orange is going to give you diabetes.

 

[Lohrenswald]

This diet is dumb

It's also unsustainable ecologically

 

[warpus]

In his defence, raw meat is pretty good

Eating only meat seems like an effective way to get super-high cholestrol levels though, among other things

When my mom used to make Polish meatloaf (kotlety, you take some ground beef, spices, chopped onions, etc. and make palm sized "steaks". i.e. personal sized meatloafs) we would gather round and ask her to put some of that stuff on bread for us, to be consumed as a sandwich.. before the beef mixture was fried on a pan. So yep, I ate a lot of raw beef on a sandwich, I don't really do it in Canada anymore, but it's delicious