The all new, totally accepted, bigotry thread - "Blame a Christian"

Given that Galileo never apologised for making fun of the pope, it seems that they've come out of this the bigger man.
 
Well, it's a little unfair to expect an actual person to apologize 400 years after an incident.
 
This one?

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I have that book, with the same cover ;)
 
So do I, so do I. :D
 
I nominate PS and Arakhor to be Bishops of CivFanatics. The have the wisdom of The Book.
 
I'm surprised Arakhor has the copy with the original cover though, he must be a lot older than I thought.
 
I'm 32, but I bought mine from a friend in Sixth Form way back when. :)
 
Ahahaha, that cover is golden :lol:
 
texture like sun? lays me down, with my mind she runs? throughout the night, no need to fight, never a frown, with golden brown?


Link to video.
 
Given that Galileo never apologised for making fun of the pope, it seems that they've come out of this the bigger man.
Right. the "bigger man" just deprived him of his freedom and held him essentially incommunicado for the rest of his life for the crime of "heresy", merely for showing that the Earth wasn't the center of the universe and for poking fun at a dogmatic buffoon in the ensuing fight over his academic and personal freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_and_science

The relationship between the Roman Catholic Church and science is a widely debated subject, where, diverse and even opposing opinions have been strongly argued by historians, theologians, and scientists. Catholic theologians contend that natural reason being a God-given capacity, is not opposed to the Church's teachings, and hence never contradict each other.[1] The role of Catholic Church, throughout history, has therefore led to progress of science and intuitive reasoning. This view is contested by secular historians, who contest that the question has been historically varied from active and even singular support from the Church[citation needed] to bitter clashes (with accusations of heresy) in the Middle Ages[citation needed], and back once again to a reserved support from the Church. The differences primarily arise due to the different definitions given to science. While secular philosophers consider 'science' in the restricted sense of natural science, theologians have viewed science in a very broad sense, as given by Aristotle's definition that science is the sure and evident knowledge obtained from demonstrations.[2] In this sense, science comprises the entire curriculum of university studies, and Catholic Church has claimed authority in matters of doctrine and teaching of science. With the gradual secularisation of Europe and North America, including though not limited to traditionally Catholic countries, the political power and influence of the Church over matters pertaining to scientific research has gradually faded. Where in the early days of scientific research science and theology of various kinds were considered very much intertwined, it is generally accepted[citation needed] throughout 21st Century society that the elucidations and processes of the empirical sciences and the theological claims of religions where they cross over with scientific claims (such as concerning the genesis of the universe and/or humanity) are either fully independent of each other.[citation needed]

Originally most research took place in Roman Catholic universities that were staffed by members of religious orders who had the education and means to conduct scientific investigation.[citation needed] Catholic universities, scholars and many priests including Nicolaus Copernicus, Roger Bacon, Albertus Magnus, Robert Grosseteste, Nicholas Steno, Francesco Grimaldi, Giambattista Riccioli, Roger Boscovich, Athanasius Kircher, Gregor Mendel, Georges Lemaître and many others, were responsible for many important scientific discoveries. Since the late 16th century the Jesuits have produced the large majority of priest-scientists, who contributed to worldwide cultural exchange by spreading their developments in knowledge to Asia, Africa, and the Americas.[3]

On the other hand, the conflict thesis proposes an intrinsic intellectual conflict between the Church and science. The original historical usage of the term denoted that the historical record indicates the Church’s perpetual opposition to science. Later uses of the term denote the Church's epistemological opposition to science. The conflict thesis interprets the relationship between the Church and science as inevitably leading to public hostility, when religion aggressively challenges new scientific ideas — as in the Galileo Affair (1614–15).

Another reading of this conflict revolves around the idea that the Catholic Church opposed particular scientific discoveries that it felt challenged its authority and, therefore, its empirical power. Arguments for this position focus mainly on the Church's response to perceived challenges to its teaching (and therefore authority) throughout the Reformation and Counter-Reformation and on through the Enlightenment, when the Church as a political organisation was on a sharp decline.[citation needed] This thesis shifts the emphasis away from the perception of the fundamental incompatibility of religion per se and science-in-general (a position that has been problematised by various religions, not least the Catholic Church, modifying their stand on the importance and even "sanctity"[citation needed] of science) to a critique of the structural reasons for the resistance of the Church as a political organisation to perceived threats to its justifications for its wealth, power and influence.

In 1633 Galileo was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for "following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,"[26] and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.

The Catholic Church's 1758 Index of Prohibited Books omitted the general prohibition of works defending heliocentrism,[27] but retained the specific prohibitions of the original uncensored versions of De revolutionibus and Galileo's Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems. Those prohibitions were finally dropped from the 1835 Index.[28]

The Inquisition's ban on reprinting Galileo's works was lifted in 1718 when permission was granted to publish an edition of his works (excluding the condemned Dialogue) in Florence.[29] In 1741 Pope Benedict XIV authorized the publication of an edition of Galileo's complete scientific works[30] which included a mildly censored version of the Dialogue.[31] In 1758 the general prohibition against works advocating heliocentrism was removed from the Index of prohibited books, although the specific ban on uncensored versions of the Dialogue and Copernicus's De Revolutionibus remained.[32] All traces of official opposition to heliocentrism by the Church disappeared in 1835 when these works were finally dropped from the Index.[33]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei

After a period with the friendly Ascanio Piccolomini (the Archbishop of Siena), Galileo was allowed to return to his villa at Arcetri near Florence in 1634, where he spent the remainder of his life under house arrest. Galileo was ordered to read the seven penitential psalms once a week for the next three years. However his daughter Maria Celeste relieved him of the burden after securing ecclesiastical permission to take it upon herself.[63] It was while Galileo was under house arrest that he dedicated his time to one of his finest works, Two New Sciences. Here he summarized work he had done some forty years earlier, on the two sciences now called kinematics and strength of materials. This book has received high praise from Albert Einstein.[64] As a result of this work, Galileo is often called the "father of modern physics". He went completely blind in 1638 and was suffering from a painful hernia and insomnia, so he was permitted to travel to Florence for medical advice.[13][14]
The RCC banned one of the most important scientific books ever written for almost a century. There is no doubt they are the "bigger man" for finally apologizing over 350 years later...
 
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