The Ancient Mediterranean MOD
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Spirit_Viriato
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Nozart : Viriato seems a gay guy. An another thing, he was a "guerrilla man" and didn't wear armour or simply a very light armour. Spain and Portugal are countries with a lot of mountains, in fact Iberia is like a continent ( a lot of cold in the north, a lot of hot in the south, desert, green field, mountains,coast, "spanish meseta), but in general mountains are the most common element. This thing do that the character of the ancient spanish-portugal people ( and in the interior like Leon, Galicia, Asturias,Basque Country...zones yet) were more rude.
Great news.
Shqype
Shqyptar
No, DON'T RELEASE v1.5 YET! There are still changes I've got to make!!!
In my games I've seen both possibilities: Either the Greeks move up and found a city close to Illyria, under Skodra, or the the Illyrians move down and found Dyrrahu as their second city (which is pretty accurate as Durres on that map).
If you go to http://www.illyriaentertainment.com/ there will be a link to a docutrailer on the Albanian National Hero, Gjergj Kastrioti. He protected Catholic Western Europe from the Ottoman Empire for a quarter of a century, and continuously defeated the most powerful army of the world in doing so. His story will finally be told.
Watch the trailer and you will see where my Lahuta music for the Illyrians comes from: you can actually see the priest playing the instrument, so you'll get an idea of how it looks and the way it is played.
Because all copyrights of that clip belong to Illyria Entertainment Group, the music will have to be changed sooner or later; but, do not despair! I have a friend that knows how to play the lahute a little bit, and he also has the tupana (Albanian drums) used in that clip, so he will provide us with some nice music to take its place
So you built Tyrins and the Illyrians captured it? Interesting.
In my games I've seen both possibilities: Either the Greeks move up and found a city close to Illyria, under Skodra, or the the Illyrians move down and found Dyrrahu as their second city (which is pretty accurate as Durres on that map).
Bengee171, the Illyrian Diplomatic Music for Teuta is played with an Albanian instrument called the lahuta. It was actually use by the Illyrians from before Roman times, but it is still used today in the mountains of northern Albania. It is one of the oldest instruments in the world!
If you go to http://www.illyriaentertainment.com/ there will be a link to a docutrailer on the Albanian National Hero, Gjergj Kastrioti. He protected Catholic Western Europe from the Ottoman Empire for a quarter of a century, and continuously defeated the most powerful army of the world in doing so. His story will finally be told.
Watch the trailer and you will see where my Lahuta music for the Illyrians comes from: you can actually see the priest playing the instrument, so you'll get an idea of how it looks and the way it is played.
Because all copyrights of that clip belong to Illyria Entertainment Group, the music will have to be changed sooner or later; but, do not despair! I have a friend that knows how to play the lahute a little bit, and he also has the tupana (Albanian drums) used in that clip, so he will provide us with some nice music to take its place
Spirit_Viriato
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Shqype said:
Mmm, I study and read in some books that the last battle against ottoman empire was the "Lepanto Battle"http://9.1911encyclopedia.org/L/LE/LEPANTO_BATTLE_OF.htm
http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0829458.html
This battle was lead by the spaniards and in a minor percentage by venetians. In this Battle "Miguel de Cervantes" lost his arm. With the victory of the christian forces, the muslims nevermore go against europe and concentrate this forces in Asia.
Your warrior king were a vasall of our ****-king ( Viva la República)
Shqype
Shqyptar
His rebellion was from 1443 - 1468 AD. It was a 25 year long struggle.
King Alfonso of Naples was a supporter of Gjergj Kastrioti's, and they were good friends. When the King Alfonso died, Gjergj Kastrioti even brought his army into Italy to protect it from the French Anjou family which tried to take control of it. He did this to honor the memory of his dead friend by saving the land from attack.
He was "officially" declared a vassal of King Alfonso because they were friends, and he was promised a safe refuge in Italy should the need arise. But, he never used it; and he wasn't subservient to anyone, let alone King Alfonso, as the term "vassal" implies. It was more of a title of respect and friendship between the two than anything of real value. It was really used as a political tool.
Gjergj Kastrioti even tried to become a "vassal" to the Venetians because he knew that in doing so, they would have to take up his struggle against the Ottoman Empire onto their shoulders as well. They refused, and operated with both sides, sometimes the Turks and sometimes the Albanians, depending on whichever side profitted them most.
On to TAM:
I have a few map changes I've made and now I'll implement some others. Hopefully v1.5 should come pretty soon
King Alfonso of Naples was a supporter of Gjergj Kastrioti's, and they were good friends. When the King Alfonso died, Gjergj Kastrioti even brought his army into Italy to protect it from the French Anjou family which tried to take control of it. He did this to honor the memory of his dead friend by saving the land from attack.
He was "officially" declared a vassal of King Alfonso because they were friends, and he was promised a safe refuge in Italy should the need arise. But, he never used it; and he wasn't subservient to anyone, let alone King Alfonso, as the term "vassal" implies. It was more of a title of respect and friendship between the two than anything of real value. It was really used as a political tool.
Gjergj Kastrioti even tried to become a "vassal" to the Venetians because he knew that in doing so, they would have to take up his struggle against the Ottoman Empire onto their shoulders as well. They refused, and operated with both sides, sometimes the Turks and sometimes the Albanians, depending on whichever side profitted them most.
On to TAM:
I have a few map changes I've made and now I'll implement some others. Hopefully v1.5 should come pretty soon
KingofTrees
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Earl
No Offense but I think this mod needs alot of work. All of the leaders look like some wierd bald guy, get some real pictures of these people, until then, I'm definitely sticking with Greek World!
This is my first post in any forum.I Was a big fan of TAM for Civ 3 and the biggest reason I bought 4 was to again Conquer the ancient world.I just needed to let u guys know you are doing a hell of a job and keep up the good work!
Shqype
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Wow, that's a powerful statement!
I just joined the TAM crew recently, so I give credit to the whole team that has been working on up to this point. It really is a fun mod, and right now, with the direction it's headed, it will be alot more fun
I'm working on tweaking and adding a few things, so probably by Friday I should be done and able to release this to the mod team to release to the public.
Sorry for not being done tonight, Benoit, but hopefully you will agree that it is worth the wait
I just joined the TAM crew recently, so I give credit to the whole team that has been working on up to this point. It really is a fun mod, and right now, with the direction it's headed, it will be alot more fun
I'm working on tweaking and adding a few things, so probably by Friday I should be done and able to release this to the mod team to release to the public.
Sorry for not being done tonight, Benoit, but hopefully you will agree that it is worth the wait
KingofTrees
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Again I want to thank u guys for all the hard work and again if it was not for TAM I'D be playing something else
Mr.Earl said:
Ignorance is bliss ain't it? I fell on the floor laughing when I read that post. That wierd bald guy. ROFL, I'll stick with Greek world. LOLOLOLOL! its rather funny isn't it? It's just so ignorant I can't even be mad at the guy.
Loving the mod, can't wait for 1.5
Oh yeah.. Convinced my wife to stay after all.. Had to promise to go to Civ anonymous. You know 90 meetings in ninety days etc, change my playgrounds etc. I think I can fake it.. LOL
Leptomeninges
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Just a couple thoughts I thought I'd share:
First of all, it goes without saying that we are not professional game creators. We have careers and families. When I get home in the evening, I do my work for TAM (the civilopedia entries) for two reasons. First of all, I enjoy it. It takes some work to research the historical basis for many of the units/leaders/etc and I learn a few things. Secondly, I do it because I remember how great TAM was for Civ 3 and I think we all believe that it can be even better in Civ 4.
Right now there is a *huge* amount of work going into TAM. You see some of that on the surface as new versions are released, but much of it is out of your view. I just mention that to give people an idea that the final TAM will be painstakingly crafted and balanced.
Lastly, we really do need feedback. That is the whole point of releasing an unfinished product. But condemning the mod for being unfinished is less helpful to us than specific feedback regarding gameplay, fun, and balance. We know it isn't finished It won't be for a while. Help us make it better.
Thanks to everyone participating in the effort by giving us feedback and moral support!
First of all, it goes without saying that we are not professional game creators. We have careers and families. When I get home in the evening, I do my work for TAM (the civilopedia entries) for two reasons. First of all, I enjoy it. It takes some work to research the historical basis for many of the units/leaders/etc and I learn a few things. Secondly, I do it because I remember how great TAM was for Civ 3 and I think we all believe that it can be even better in Civ 4.
Right now there is a *huge* amount of work going into TAM. You see some of that on the surface as new versions are released, but much of it is out of your view. I just mention that to give people an idea that the final TAM will be painstakingly crafted and balanced.
Lastly, we really do need feedback. That is the whole point of releasing an unfinished product. But condemning the mod for being unfinished is less helpful to us than specific feedback regarding gameplay, fun, and balance. We know it isn't finished
It won't be for a while. Help us make it better. Thanks to everyone participating in the effort by giving us feedback and moral support!
Notarzt
graphics doctor
Mr.Earl said:
You must have a VERY old version. With Sid Maier representing almost all leaders. Let Sid hear that about the wierd bald old guy
And when you have this old version (about 1.2) you are right. There was still much to do. But we have done much since then.
So please try out our newer versions.
And: also negative criticism is welcome as long as it is constructive. we are not perfect.
Notarzt
graphics doctor
Spirit_Viriato said:
Yes, you are right. But I won't change anything at the moment because these pictures are only placeholders. As I said before we want 3D-leaderheads. And those will be designed historically correct.
At least we try to.
Dragonlord
Fantasy Warlord
Could you take a look at the UU's for Iberia? The second UU, Armored Slinger IIRC, doesn't seem any better than the first UU, the Slinger, which is pretty powerful BTW. They have almost identical stats. There just doesn't seem to be much incentive to research and build the 'better' UU.
Notarzt
graphics doctor
and here comes the finally implemented
BATTERING RAM
probably will be part of 1.5
stats: that's up to the other guys of the team
a picture of many rams from different directions:
please enjoy
and if I had a wish free, my next project would be a 3D-model of
the phoenician trader.
May I, thamis?
BATTERING RAM
probably will be part of 1.5
stats: that's up to the other guys of the team
a picture of many rams from different directions:
please enjoy
and if I had a wish free, my next project would be a 3D-model of
the phoenician trader.
May I, thamis?
Dragonlord
Fantasy Warlord
Great work, Notarzt!
If you're as good a doctor as a graphics artist, Munich will be in good hands..
If you're as good a doctor as a graphics artist, Munich will be in good hands..
One Thing I was playing am curently Playing as Phoenica to tell you what happend in the session next to my last post:
After a long time of doing nothing i signed a peace contract with Hamurabi and Lydia felt victom to my plans of Conquesting the Mediteranean Sea.
In next session (one 130 turns are left to play) i will quickly do something that pushs up my score. i am on third position. First is Dido, second is Viriato, third is me Hiram and fourth close to my is Aeetes.
Next thing:
Mhemed II. (The Conquerer - even of Albania) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II
Ok, i don't know about catolic vasallism and that stuff, but Albania was a part of the Ottoman Empire. And Mhemed II. is the one who conquered Constantinople and also Krim and the Balkan includeing Serbia, Albania the Peleponnes.
A Map including the east of the Caspian Sea, are you sure? allright would be no problem for me and thank you that you told me the size.
Whow i am awaiting 1.5!!
After a long time of doing nothing i signed a peace contract with Hamurabi and Lydia felt victom to my plans of Conquesting the Mediteranean Sea.
In next session (one 130 turns are left to play) i will quickly do something that pushs up my score. i am on third position. First is Dido, second is Viriato, third is me Hiram and fourth close to my is Aeetes.
Next thing:
Mhemed II. (The Conquerer - even of Albania) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmed_II
Ok, i don't know about catolic vasallism and that stuff, but Albania was a part of the Ottoman Empire. And Mhemed II. is the one who conquered Constantinople and also Krim and the Balkan includeing Serbia, Albania the Peleponnes.
A Map including the east of the Caspian Sea, are you sure? allright would be no problem for me and thank you that you told me the size.
Whow i am awaiting 1.5!!
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