The Boeing Thread

[r16]

without (any need for or implication of) insulting anyone , the clearance they have given some guy and the lack of trolling afterwards is a result of some debate in some other country that's not Turkey . There might be those who will remember it has become "the peak of some brilliance" involving a strategy that my country and the US will fight a Space War in 2050 , a superb promise to make us forget the hundred and one different ways we will be killed long before that date . And like they are quite reluctant to do it in 2030 ; for some reason .

uhm , unhappy already ? Let me help you . Lockmart will have a plain sailing in the next Trump Administration , by 2028 if he can't win this year . Trump loves strongmen . This implies he has no need for the sophistications of the Bidon's lot . Including the one of assuming a strange lot of Turks are merely proxies of Jews in the US who do not share Netanyahu's vision for basically anything and have been reluctant to get involved in stuff . If you are confused with this statement it simply states the debate (and its aftershocks) clears your idiotly from saddled with Spirit . Somehow . That would have added more Jewish dollars to the US Economy , considering the US Democrats are not that above from a certain lot of conspiracies .

"a week late" but Boeing buys its share . Airbus is about to . Lockmart strike should end and their hoard of F-35s should be now available as it was always said that would happen by July 2024 . Never believed that the US Lawmakers could decree to seize Lockmart intellectual property as it is the backbone of their monopoly and makes it so without coming out in the open with stuff . No , am not believing that they can/will/would seize LM IP stuff now either .

so , the next time people post here it will certainly involve the tale that multiple teams working on airframes and they had to move one around while it was raining and they fixed a temporary one or whatever and it was forgotten and mixed in the records and the Aloha Airlines was going to send the plane into real deep investigation at the end of that day when the door left the plane ... Computers today must have been advanced enough to keep a "thread" for each plane as it moves around in the assembly line , listing everything done and not done and stuff .

 

[Samson]

Boeing agrees to buy Spirit Aero for $4.7 billion, sources say

Boeing agreed on Sunday to acquire Spirit AeroSystems for more than $4 billion, two people familiar with the matter said, ending months of talks over a deal the U.S. planemaker hopes will help ease a spiralling safety crisis.

Boeing will pay $37.25 per share for Spirit Aero, in an all-stock deal, the two people said. The boards of Boeing and Spirit met on Sunday and agreed to terms, and an official announcement is likely early on Monday, they said.

The acquisition values Spirit at around $4.7 billion, according to one of the sources.

The deal, which is subject to regulatory approvals, would result in the breakup of Spirit, with some of the Kansas-based supplier's assets going to French planemaker Airbus.

Boeing had earlier discussed paying $35.50 per share in cash for Spirit, but this was raised to $37.25 when the agreement shifted to stock, one of the sources said.

The terms of a parallel deal for Spirit to sell its Europe-focused operations to Airbus were not immediately clear.

People familiar said both deals were set to be announced in tandem early on Monday. The twin moves amount to a transatlantic breakup of the world's largest independent aerostructures maker, which has branched out to make parts for Airbus and others since being spun off by Boeing nearly two decades ago.

 

[r16]

this week ı am not a man , never had any affairs . Considering Airbus supposedly bought everything not British or whatever . Supposedly facilities in Ireland , Scotland and Malaysia are up for grabs for those who don't want them . Airbus supposedly to get a billion dollars in compensation if they got the whole of non-Boeing Spirit . Because they didn't , they are getting only half a billion . Like pretty sure they would ask me 20 . "Positive , not negative as in the case of Airbus" . Thank God ı don't have any money ...

 

[Samson]

Fraud guilty plea flies from Boeing to swerve courtroom over 737 Max crashes

I have to admit I do not understand why this is happening in the US at all. Why are they not facing murder charges in Ethiopia and Malaysia?

Boeing has agreed to plead guilty to criminal fraud charges related to deadly 737 Max crashes, according to a Sunday night court filing from the US Department of Justice (DoJ).

The plea deal amounts to Boeing accepting one felony count, a move that will in exchange allow it to skip a trial.

"We can confirm that we have reached an agreement in principle on terms of a resolution with the Justice Department, subject to the memorialization and approval of specific terms," Boeing told The Register.

As part of the plea deal [PDF], Boeing will pay an additional $487.2 million in penalties on top of $2.5 billion it already agreed to back in 2021. The aerospace giant will also invest at least $455 million in compliance and safety programs, have an independent compliance monitor selected by the government, and undergo three years of supervised probation.

The families of those who died in the crashes will also be granted a meeting with Boeing's board of directors.

Boeing originally avoided prosecution for the tragic crashes of Lion Air Flight 610 in 2018 and Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 in 2019, which killed a total of 346 people. The DoJ determined two 737 Max flight technical pilots employed by Boeing had withheld information from federal aviation officials regarding the aircraft's Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS).

"Because of their deception, a key document published by the FAA AEG lacked information about MCAS, and in turn, airplane manuals and pilot-training materials for US-based airlines lacked information about MCAS," asserted the DoJ.

By omitting the information, many of Boeing's customers required no extra pilot training, a move that sadly made them unaware that the MCAS was designed to automatically push the plane's nose down to prevent stalling in certain situations.

In May, the DoJ determined Boeing had failed to meet terms of a deferred prosecution agreement (DPA), which required the company report any future instances of fraud and enhance its compliance rules.

The DPA was set to expire in July, meaning that if Boeing had flown under the radar, it may have avoided the felony. However, it is difficult to go unnoticed when your aircraft company has a doorplug blow out of its product mid-air and whistleblowers alleging safety issues who sometimes end up dead.

The DoJ said it had formulated its Sunday plea offer based in part on feedback it received from the families of the crash victims.

Paul Cassell, an attorney for the families, filed [PDF] an objection to the agreement.

"The families intend to argue that the plea deal with Boeing unfairly makes concessions to Boeing that other criminal defendants would never receive and fails to hold Boeing accountable for the deaths of 346 persons," stated the objection.

 

[Gorbles]

The plea deal amounts to Boeing accepting one felony count, a move that will in exchange allow it to skip a trial.

What a joke.

 

[r16]

because for all the failings of Boeing , the two crashes ...

america is not the country that would solve that . Not under Bidon , not under Trump .

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, they're kinda counting on survivorship bias solving it. The dead are quiet when the whistles are buried.

 

[r16]

the deaths of whistleblowers are not on Boeing . Will not challenge mudslinging but boardroom and whatnot would know not to push their luck too far too much . When they are fired for poor management they are still bound to make millions afterall .

 

[Samson]

the deaths of whistleblowers are not on Boeing . Will not challenge mudslinging but boardroom and whatnot would know not to push their luck too far too much . When they are fired for poor management they are still bound to make millions afterall .

The same as Credit Suisse executives would never murder people in fued.

 

[r16]

ı hate to say this but you people lack context . This is like some life and death situation with the American invented-but-becoming-the-fact war with China . Industrial considerations FORCE Pentagon to mobilize Boeing which in turn creates ripples within the global Defence industry . Boeing must be clean and stuff , they have deferred the ripping to post-war .

 

[Farm Boy]

The world still needs America to invent its wars? I mean, I've read some history. Did you all lose your creativity?

 

[r16]

lockmart created its own ecosystem , centered on the F-35 and the development history of it involves something called CALF , like that golden calf . Boeing made a bigger player , above its current one of even having a major production share in the F-35 creates "dynamism in global balance or whatever" . If Lockmart be gone 101% American Patriots with Pentagon not required to deploy Marines to the Boardroom with fixed bayonets , that still doesn't solve hundreds of companies that had an assured future in a world of big talk-limited production-big profit-no peer war .

also not in the news in the US . Because Navy Fighter of 2017 rocks the boat so bad , some guy ı am aware of created the grounds for the current jet trainer of the factory in Ankara be Black during Trump era and thus could be leased to USN in limited numbers so that people could sleep tight that the Navy Fighter of 2017 was not the Navy Fighter of 2017 . Copy paste , break it down to small groups is still the best , for those who find my stuff confusing . The locals like naturally think ı am a pervert who most certainly killed a 15 year old girl in the year 2000 and will be forgiven if ı sell to New Turkey . Can't tell what ı am supposed to sell . Am pretty sure ı do not have a 6th generation fighter programme . Is this suitable for imagination ?

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, call it pride then. To be an active player in one's own fights, rather than to simply be a reactive foil.

 

[r16]

second in the google search . ı hate mirrors , being an abomination all and basically not a girl , too . Like is it assured that pride of 7 sins is what fits me ?



like being a Brown slipper wearer should have been my death warrant already .

 

[Farm Boy]

Fair enough!

 

[EvaDK]

What a joke.

Yeah.

Don't know if the fact that the two crashes occurred abroad and involved non-US airlines, plays into the odds of gross negligence manslaughter charges being viable for the prosecution.

Had these crashes happened within US jurisdiction with primarily American victims, someone would probably have gone to jail.

 

[Kaitzilla]

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/03/nx-s1-5026448/boeing-starliner-astronauts-space-station-return

When astronauts Butch Wilmore and Suni Williams lifted off from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida on June 5, they thought they’d be back in plenty of time for the Juneteenth holiday.

The two were test-driving Boeing’s newest spaceship, called Starliner. All they had to do was put it through its paces, dock briefly with the International Space Station (ISS), and come home. The entire mission was supposed to last around a week.

Instead, a series of leaks and malfunctions have caused NASA to indefinitely delay the duo’s return.

Just whatever you do, don’t say they’re stranded.

Brave folks.

 

[Crezth]

Those astronauts still stuck up there? Ah, yep, they are.

 

[Crezth]

ı hate to say this but you people lack context . This is like some life and death situation with the American invented-but-becoming-the-fact war with China . Industrial considerations FORCE Pentagon to mobilize Boeing which in turn creates ripples within the global Defence industry . Boeing must be clean and stuff , they have deferred the ripping to post-war .

Exactly.

 

[Crezth]

The world still needs America to invent its wars? I mean, I've read some history. Did you all lose your creativity?

Any country can start wars. Including your favorites. But a very large defense budget is good for many things that are not strictly defensive.