The British National Party

[Kafka2]

Yer but lets finish the job this time There'll be no surrender in Northern Ireland this time!!

Within my lifetime, Catholics will probably become the majority in Ulster. I think your suggestions would turn it into Europe's Rwanda.

 

[Joeb WK]

There won't be victory either.

Yes therll will its a joke we almost surrendered to the I.R.A before. There not trained,there not well equipted, all there good at is planting down we just need to draw them into a straight out fight and hunt the remainder down.

 

[Hotpoint]

I disagree with you that Britain cant go it alone, in the past we once ruled over many nations that were far more populous than ourselves because of the greatest national resource we have, the British people. A nationalist government will create a unified Britain with common goals and visions.
Demographics can change that will be one of the first goals of the BNP to increase the birthrate. It can be done as we have seen in the past with the Italians and Germans.

But for me a nationalist Britain is only the first step, my dream would be an alliance of European nationalist states that when pursuing common goals pools its resources which under nationalist governments will be just as great if not greater than the other world powers. But first we must secure our homeland.

Britain was a global power because it had the worlds largest navy and industrialised first giving it a massive technological edge over far less advanced nations, this is no longer the case. Too many countries spent the late nineteenth and early 20th century industrialising for Britain to become a major power on it's own again.

Germany in WWII had common goals and vision. It was no match for greater numbers and higher industrial production.

You would have to increase the birthrate a lot to compete with the major powers in the mid to late 21st century. By 2050 they'll be something like 400 million in the United States and a lot more than that in the PRC.

Might I suggest some reading material to you Brittania? The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers 1500-2000 by Paul Kennedy will give you a good grounding in the realities of where a states power comes from.

As for a Alliance of Facist States you dream of that's a non-starter given the inherent hostility to foreigners that the Far Right generates. It would simply lack the necessary coherence to compete with more unified competitors.

 

[Kafka2]

No because well have saved money from withdrawing from the E.U.

Macro-economics doesn't work like that. The knock-on effects of leaving the EU would cause a massive recession.

 

[CruddyLeper]

No because well have saved money from withdrawing from the E.U.

Which you will spend on construction thus driving up house prices and labour costs of construction workers.

It's a case of diminishing returns, don't you see? You could build more homes for the elderly, true. But you cannot rehouse everybody in a poor quality house. To suggest you can is a blatant lie.

 

[~Corsair#01~]

We will also seek to instill in our young people knowledge of and pride in the history, cultures and heritage of the native peoples of Britain.

Well, at least they're showing some support for the Pict minority.

 

[CruddyLeper]

Yes therll will its a joke we almost surrendered to the I.R.A before. There not trained,there not well equipted, all there good at is planting down we just need to draw them into a straight out fight and hunt the remainder down.

You haven't got a clue how COIN works, do you?

It's not the men with the guns you go after. It's the reasons for conflict.

If you single out the IRA and suggest that all other terrorist networks in NI are OK, it's a clear case of bigotry. Which isn't going to do ANYTHING to reduce the conflict.

 

[CruddyLeper]

Within my lifetime, Catholics will probably become the majority in Ulster. I think your suggestions would turn it into Europe's Rwanda.

Word. Damn straight it would.

 

[Joeb WK]

Macro-economics doesn't work like that. The knock-on effects of leaving the EU would cause a massive recession.

No we would be able to continue trading a normal with our European neighbours without having to pay to keep the weaker Eastern European nations of there feet and paying for the various other crap the E.U wastes its money on.

 

[Kafka2]

Thread summary- the BNP supporters have openly declared themselves to have very little clue about economics, appear to be confused as to what neutrality means and are significantly straying away from the BNP line on that point, and appear to want an all-out war in Northern Ireland.

 

[blackheart]

Yes therll will its a joke we almost surrendered to the I.R.A before. There not trained,there not well equipted, all there good at is planting down we just need to draw them into a straight out fight and hunt the remainder down.

Like that's going to happen? Terrorists in a conventional fight? . That's naive. It's also a lot harder to fight them in territory where they have local support and can blend in. Britain isn't going to win agains the IRA by sheer military force (unless it decides to erect a military state or something of that sort).

 

[De Lorimier]

Thanks for this post

As you guys can clearly see, neither the BNP nor any of their nazi buddies are actually "right-wingers", in the economic sense of the world. Their economic policies are outright socialistic, diametrically opposed to liberal capitalism.

Those policies are of course very similar to those of the Third Reich, which was also socialistic, even though communist propaganda portrays it as capitalism in its extreme form.

That's a clever way to look at it, I wouldn't expect it any other way coming from you!
What I read in the opening post about economics is a desire to bring the economy in the hands of "real Britons". Where you see a socialistic desire, I see a racist desire to control the means of production. I don't see how we are talking about socialism instead of a British-based and owned liberal capitalism. This whole program is full of contradiction and is nothing but a bad joke.

 

[Joeb WK]

You haven't got a clue how COIN works, do you?

It's not the men with the guns you go after. It's the reasons for conflict.

If you single out the IRA and suggest that all other terrorist networks in NI are OK, it's a clear case of bigotry. Which isn't going to do ANYTHING to reduce the conflict.

We infiltrate the I.R.A kill them all and supress all further uprisings problem solved.

 

[Kafka2]

No we would be able to continue trading a normal with our European neighbours without having to pay to keep the weaker Eastern European nations of there feet and paying for the various other crap the E.U wastes its money on.

Ah, I see. So you want to leave the EU, yet still enjoy the same free trade benefits?

Do you think the EU trading partners would agree to that?

 

[blackheart]

We infiltrate the I.R.A kill them all and supress all further uprisings problem solved.

If it were only that simple. Maybe this is why Britain lost in the first place? The inability to adapt to a new type of warfare? Sheer arrogance and ignorance? Brutality and terror tactics? It sounds like you're the very enemy you're fighting.

 

[Yom]

That's a clever way to look at it, I wouldn't expect it any other way coming from you!
What I read in the opening post about economics is a desire to bring the economy in the hands of "real Britons". Where you see a socialistic desire, I see a racist desire to control the means of production. I don't see how we are talking about socialism instead of a British-based and owned liberal capitalism. This whole program is full of contradiction and is nothing but a bad joke.

It's racist fascist national socialism.

Whether you define it as right or left-wing depends on which definitions you use. By historical standards, it is definitely right-wing, but the right has changed since then; it doesn't really fit in with any wing, except the one populated by racists and other lunatics.

 

[~Corsair#01~]

That's a clever way to look at it, I wouldn't expect it any other way coming from you!
What I read in the opening post about economics is a desire to bring the economy in the hands of "real Britons". Where you see a socialistic desire, I see a racist desire to control the means of production. I don't see how we are talking about socialism instead of a British-based and owned liberal capitalism. This whole program is full of contradiction and is nothing but a bad joke.

Probably socialist and rascist. It's Goering's 5 year plans all over again.

 

[Joeb WK]

Ah, I see. So you want to leave the EU, yet still enjoy the same free trade benefits?

Do you think the EU trading partners would agree to that?

The E.U would have collapsed with out us by then (Due to the fact were the biggest net contributor.) so Im sure they would.

 

[Mise]

Thanks for this post

As you guys can clearly see, neither the BNP nor any of their nazi buddies are actually "right-wingers", in the economic sense of the world. Their economic policies are outright socialistic, diametrically opposed to liberal capitalism.

Those policies are of course very similar to those of the Third Reich, which was also socialistic, even though communist propaganda portrays it as capitalism in its extreme form.

Luiz that's a cheap shot at socialism! BNP policies are stupid; that doesn't make them socialist. They use buzz words and populist propaganda, but they are NOT socialist.

 

[kronic]

Thanks for this post

As you guys can clearly see, neither the BNP nor any of their nazi buddies are actually "right-wingers", in the economic sense of the world. Their economic policies are outright socialistic, diametrically opposed to liberal capitalism.

Those policies are of course very similar to those of the Third Reich, which was also socialistic, even though communist propaganda portrays it as capitalism in its extreme form.

You're confusing some things here.
The Third Reich was not socialist. It was collectivist, but not socialist since the Nazis reversed a lot of socialist positions. To provide some examples: they destroyed every effective representation of the working class, they did not give the welfare payments to those who actually needed them but rather used them for bonus payments to those "who served the, they took away every rights from the workers, they got rid of the right to have a working place and made work compulsory.

There are more ways to organise the economy than just Manchester capitalism and socialism. The economic policies of the Nazis are certainly not outright socialist since they contradict socialist goals. Interventionism doesn't make a system socialist.