The Dead Tell a Tale China Doesn’t Care to Listen To

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I know China is a nation of disgusting liars, but to fabricate history like this is beyond belief.

The Dead Tell a Tale China Doesn’t Care to Listen To

By EDWARD WONG
URUMQI, China — An exhibit on the first floor of the museum here gives the government’s unambiguous take on the history of this border region: “Xinjiang has been an inalienable part of the territory of China,” says one prominent sign.

But walk upstairs to the second floor, and the ancient corpses on display seem to tell a different story.

One called the Loulan Beauty lies on her back with her shoulder-length hair matted down, her lips pursed in death, her high cheekbones and long nose the most obvious signs that she is not what one thinks of as Chinese.

The Loulan Beauty is one of more than 200 remarkably well-preserved mummies discovered in the western deserts here over the last few decades. The ancient bodies have become protagonists in a very contemporary political dispute over who should control the Xinjiang Uighur Autonomous Region.

The Chinese authorities here face an intermittent separatist movement of nationalist Uighurs, a Turkic-speaking Muslim people who number nine million in Xinjiang.

At the heart of the matter lie these questions: Who first settled this inhospitable part of western China? And for how long has the oil-rich region been part of the Chinese empire?

Uighur nationalists have gleaned evidence from the mummies, whose corpses span thousands of years, to support historical claims to the region.

Foreign scholars say that at the very least, the Tarim mummies — named after the vast Tarim Basin where they were found — show that Xinjiang has always been a melting pot, a place where people from various corners of Eurasia founded societies and where cultures overlapped.

Contact between peoples was particularly frequent in the heyday of the Silk Road, when camel caravans transported goods that flowed from as far away as the Mediterranean. “It’s historically been a place where cultures have mixed together,” said Yidilisi Abuduresula, 58, a Uighur archaeologist in Xinjiang working on the mummies.

The Tarim mummies seem to indicate that the very first people to settle the area came from the west — down from the steppes of Central Asia and even farther afield — and not from the fertile plains and river valleys of the Chinese interior. The oldest, like the Loulan Beauty, date back 3,800 years.

Some Uighurs have latched on to the fact that the oldest mummies are most likely from the west as evidence that Xinjiang has belonged to the Uighurs throughout history. A modern, nationalistic pop song praising the Loulan Beauty has even become popular.

“The people found in Loulan were Uighur people, according to the materials,” said a Uighur tour guide in the city of Kashgar who spoke on condition of anonymity for fear of running afoul of the Chinese authorities. “The nationalities of Xinjiang are very complicated. There have been many since ancient times.”

Scholars generally agree that Uighurs did not migrate to what is now Xinjiang from Central Asia until the 10th century. But, uncomfortably for the Chinese authorities, evidence from the mummies also offers a far more nuanced history of settlement than the official Chinese version.

By that official account, Zhang Qian, a general of the Han dynasty, led a military expedition to Xinjiang in the second century B.C. His presence is often cited by the ethnic Han Chinese when making historical claims to the region.

The mummies show, though, that humans entered the region thousands of years earlier, and almost certainly from the west.

What is indisputable is that the Tarim mummies are among the greatest recent archaeological finds in China, perhaps the world.

Four are in glass display cases in the main museum here in Urumqi, the regional capital. Their skin is parched and blackened from the wear and tear of thousands of years, but their bodies are strikingly intact, preserved by the dry climate of the western desert.

Some foreign scholars say the Chinese government, eager to assert a narrative of longtime Chinese dominance of Xinjiang, is unwilling to face the fact that the mummies provide evidence of heterogeneity throughout the region’s history of human settlement.

As a result, they say, the government has been unwilling to give broad access to foreign scientists to conduct genetic tests on the mummies.

“In terms of advanced scientific research on the mummies, it’s just not happening,” said Victor H. Mair, a professor of Chinese language and literature at the University of Pennsylvania who has been at the forefront of foreign scholarship of the mummies.

Mr. Mair first spotted one of the mummies, a red-haired corpse called the Cherchen Man, in the back room of a museum in Urumqi while leading a tour of Americans there in 1988, the first year the mummies were put on display.

Since then, he says that he has been obsessed with pinpointing the origins of the mummies, intent on proving a theory dear to him: that the movement of peoples throughout history is far more common than previously thought.

Mr. Mair has assembled various groups of scholars to do research on the mummies. In 1993, the Chinese government tried to prevent Mr. Mair from leaving China with 52 tissue samples after having authorized him to go to Xinjiang and to collect them.

But a Chinese researcher managed to slip a half-dozen vials to Mr. Mair. From those samples, an Italian geneticist concluded in 1995 that at least two of the mummies had a European genetic marker.

The Chinese government in recent years has allowed genetic research on the mummies to be conducted only by Chinese scientists.

Jin Li, a well-known geneticist at Fudan University in Shanghai, tested the mummies in conjunction with a 2007 National Geographic documentary. He concluded that some of the oldest mummies had East Asian and even South Asian markers, though the documentary said further testing needed to be done.

Mr. Mair has disputed any suggestion that the mummies were from East Asia. He believes that East Asian migrants did not appear in the Tarim Basin until much later than the Loulan Beauty and her people.

The oldest mummies, he says, were probably Tocharians, herders who traveled eastward across the Central Asian steppes and whose language belonged to the Indo-European family. A second wave of migrants came from what is now Iran.

The theory that the earliest mummies came from the west of what is now modern China is supported by other scholars as well. A textile expert, Elizabeth Wayland Barber, in a book called “The Mummies of Urumchi,” wrote that the kind of cloth discovered in the oldest grave sites can be traced to the Caucasus.

Han Kangxin, a physical anthropologist, has also concluded that the earliest settlers were not Asians. He has studied the skulls of the mummies, and says that genetic tests can be unreliable.

“It’s very clear that these are of Europoid or Caucasoid origins,” Mr. Han, now retired, said in an interview in his apartment in Beijing.

Of the hundreds of mummies discovered, there are some that are East Asian, but they are not as ancient as the Loulan Beauty or the Cherchen Man.

The most prominent Chinese grave sites were discovered at a place called Astana, believed to be a former military outpost. The findings at the site span the Jin to the Tang dynasties, from the third to the 10th centuries.

Further clouding the picture, a mummy from the Lop Nur area, the 2,000-year-old Yingpan Man, was unearthed with artifacts associated with an entirely different part of the globe. He was wearing a hemp death mask with gold foil and a red robe decorated with naked angelic figures and antelopes — all hallmarks of a Hellenistic civilization.

Despite the political issues, excavations of the grave sites are continuing.

Mr. Abuduresula, the Uighur archaeologist, made a trip in late September to the desert site at Xiaohe, where 350 graves have been discovered. The bottom layer of graves dates back nearly 4,000 years. More recent graves point to a matriarchal herding society that worshiped cows, Mr. Abuduresula said.

Somewhere in those sands, he said, archaeologists have discovered a woman as striking as the Loulan Beauty. She is called the Xiaohe Princess, and even her eyelashes are intact.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/world/asia/19mummy.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=china xinjian&st=cse
 
Very interesting. Mummies have always fascinated me and I would very much like to have a chance to see these up close and personal.

However to address the politicizing of these archaeological discoveries, it doesn't matter if they discover mummies of little green men there tomorrow. Xinjiang is China's now because they have the means to keep it, and not because of ethnic issues or "who was there first". Historically that area has always been along the path for the Silk Road, and thus subject to immigration from various directions. Of course "Who was there first?" can easily be used as a point for argument, but it is worthless if you do not have the power to actually enforce your claim. Historically too that area comes into China's orbit whenever China grows strong, but breaks away whenever China weakens. So there's plenty of historical precedent either way.

Besides, according to the current doctrine being Chinese =/= being of Han ethnicity. Mongols, Uighurs, Tibetans, Manchus, Koreans, Miao, Hmong etc. all can be their own ethnicity and yet still be "Chinese" by nationality. ;)

So if the Uighurs want their own nation all they have to do are these 2 things: (1) Keep their culture intact. You may not have a state but you can still have a nation in your hearts. (2) Be patient. Who knows? China might weaken someday. (Doesn't look very likely for now though) Then, and only then will they get their chance. Just like each time after the fall of the Han, Jin, Tang, Yuan dynasties, and briefly last century the Qing...
 
Pretty much what Dann said. Ditto.

And I'd like to go further and again harp on this old world thinking of 'blood' making you one thing or another. What should make someone Chinese is being a citizen of China, nothing more or less. You always hear people say that religion has caused more wars and death than anything else (which is patently absurd, but that's for another thread). But I'm of the opinion that 'blood' is the major cause.

"They're different" "They're not us" "Invade and kill them!"
 
It was interesting seeing those red haired mummies in China... but the area is still chinese, I don't think Uyghurs could make a cultural link with those mummies.
 
been there. on the streets you still see Uigurs. But in ten years they will be a negligible minority. By then, Beijing will have settled another ten million Han Chinese.

A smart, fast, rapid and very quiet way of extermining a people. Not by killing them, but by drowning their cultural identity in your own.
 
A smart, fast, rapid and very quiet way of extermining a people. Not by killing them, but by drowning their cultural identity in your own.
How else do you think China grew to be this big and populous? Even discounting the peripheries (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia), all of modern day south, northeast, extreme south, southwest Han China, the east coast, the south coast etc. were once "barbarian" lands, and home to other cultures -cultures which no longer exist today, and are known only to historians. :p
 
How else do you think China grew to be this big and populous? Even discounting the peripheries (Tibet, Xinjiang, Inner Mongolia), all of modern day south, northeast, extreme south, southwest Han China, the east coast, the south coast etc. were once "barbarian" lands, and home to other cultures -cultures which no longer exist today, and are known only to historians. :p

indeed - what is disconcerting is that it is happening at a time when such a course of action is seen (and has been seen) as unacceptable for nearly a century!


btw: Shenzhen is nice - is the construction business still as crazy as it was five years ago? When I visited it almost looked like there were more construction site than finished plots ;)
 
The Uighur Khaganate used to control all of Mongolia. They were more settled than other steepe peoples and built their own cities. Unfortunately, the Kyrgyz tribes of Siberia revolted and sent 80,000 horsemen to destroy the Khaganate, burning down most of the major cities and leaving a rather big vacuum in the region for other Khanates to move into.

The surviving Uighurs moved south into the Tarim basin. They helped Genghis Khan and later became Muslims.
 
What a ridiculous article! A country is defined by consanguinity or blood? Then Americans should return the land back to America Indian and Mexican, Europe land, Asia land should be retruned back to Africa, because we all originated from there!
 
been there. on the streets you still see Uigurs. But in ten years they will be a negligible minority. By then, Beijing will have settled another ten million Han Chinese.

A smart, fast, rapid and very quiet way of extermining a people. Not by killing them, but by drowning their cultural identity in your own.

I don't think there were pure Han Chinese in now days.
 
What a ridiculous article! A country is defined by consanguinity or blood? Then Americans should return the land back to America Indian and Mexican, Europe land, Asia land should be retruned back to Africa, because we all originated from there!

Tell that to your country. It still seems to believe in the blood = national control thing, hence the aggressive colonisation efforts.
 
I don't think there were pure Han Chinese in now days.
There's probably no or few pure anything, in an ethnic sense. But predominantly Han, hell yes. Just like people are predominantly German, or Slavic, or Aboriginal, etc.
 
There's probably no or few pure anything, in an ethnic sense. But predominantly Han, hell yes. Just like people are predominantly German, or Slavic, or Aboriginal, etc.


I wonder which naitons are the most ethnically homogenous? I'd say PNG, Nepal,... any other suggestions?
 
I wonder which naitons are the most ethnically homogenous? I'd say PNG, Nepal,... any other suggestions?
PNG has a lot of white folk. Comes from being an Australian colony. But it's probably the most homogeneous nation left on Earth. Indonesia isn't homogeneous, but many of its islands probably are. Tibet, prior to the Chinese occupation.

You know, I bet Mongolia is very homogeneous, as would be many of the former Soviet Central Asian nations.
 
PNG has a lot of white folk. Comes from being an Australian colony. But it's probably the most homogeneous nation left on Earth. Indonesia isn't homogeneous, but many of its islands probably are. Tibet, prior to the Chinese occupation.

You know, I bet Mongolia is very homogeneous, as would be many of the former Soviet Central Asian nations.

I dont think so about the former central SSR's, they would all have a fairly large degree of Russians, esp Kazakhstan (If you count that as central Asia). Yeah, Mongolia's a very good bet though, didnt think of that. somewhere like Swaziland probably dosent have a whole lot of ethnic variety either
 
I dont think so about the former central SSR's, they would all have a fairly large degree of Russians, esp Kazakhstan (If you count that as central Asia). Yeah, Mongolia's a very good bet though, didnt think of that. somewhere like Swaziland probably dosent have a whole lot of ethnic variety either
With the former Soviet SSRs, I imagine many Russians outright left, especially in the ones with Islamist governments, and Stalin's forced migrations left them otherwise homogeneous, but you're probably right.

We've forgotten about the obvious: Rwanda. Swaziland and Lesotho are also certainly up there, as you pointed out.
 
PNG has a lot of white folk. Comes from being an Australian colony. But it's probably the most homogeneous nation left on Earth. Indonesia isn't homogeneous, but many of its islands probably are. Tibet, prior to the Chinese occupation.

You're kidding, right? Papua New Guinea is probably the most heterogeneous nation on Earth. 820 indigenous languages. Hundreds of ethnic groups. Indonesia isn't remotely homogeneous either.
 
You're kidding, right? Papua New Guinea is probably the most heterogeneous nation on Earth. 820 indigenous languages. Hundreds of ethnic groups. Indonesia isn't remotely homogeneous either.
Languages don't equal ethnicities. And you'll not I actually said:

Indonesia isn't homogeneous, but many of its islands probably are.
Besides, artificial ethnic groups, such as those in Rwanda and PNG, don't count. Genetically an inhabitant of a Papuan jungle is too similar to a Papuan from elsewhere to be considered a different ethnicity. Different culture, yeah, but not ethnicity.
 
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