The death of Net Neautrality and the Raping of the American Consumer

[aimeeandbeatles]

I tried. That did not work. I dont think theres anything of interest anyway.

 

[KMRblue1027]

That's because the UK is a much more compact area. You are never far (by American Standards) from a major city in the UK. Obviously, this is not a problem for cities, but many rural areas have either only one ISP in the region, or only two, maybe three.

Not only in Rural area's here in Jersey, townships make deals with specific ISPs so they are the only one who can provide that type of service. So in my town because it's not populated enough for FIOS to be available so they only high-speed internet you can get here Comcast which goes out every two to three days for hours at a time.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Not only in Rural area's here in Jersey, townships make deals with specific ISPs so they are the only one who can provide that type of service.

Why do they do that?

Wait... Dont say it ... let me guess....

MONEY!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Karalysia]

Also it's New Jersey. Most of the money from everything goes to the political machines. If it's roads, schools, utilities or whatnot.

 

[Elliot]

Thank you for the title. CivFanatics needs more inflammatory posts.

 

[Karalysia]

You're welcome. I agree it does.

 

[negZero]

In this case the big business interests are the ones trying to prevent you from being screwed over. Google and Amazon dwarf the likes of Comcast.

Please explain and give examples to me how Google(were going to discount the whole Google putting Google family sites as the first result thing) and Amazon are making an unfair environment for the competitors.

With this passed ISP will be able hold bandwidth hostage till consumers and websites given in to there demands. Basically big business just took America out of the Information Age.

 

[civver_764]

We need a free public internet.

 

[Glassfan]

Please explain and give examples to me how Google(were going to discount the whole Google putting Google family sites as the first result thing) and Amazon are making an unfair environment for the competitors.

Theoretical cases: Under the new rules, wireline broadband providers are forbidden from "unreasonable discrimination" against content.

That means Time Warner Cable can't take payments from Google to make YouTube come over the network faster than Hulu. Comcast, which is in the process of buying NBC, is also forbidden from favoring its own content over others'.- from CNN.com

 

[Glassfan]

We need a free public internet.

Sure, but how is it paid for? By subsription? By taxes? Nothing's free. Everything's got stings attached.

Or do you mean without censor?

 

[negZero]

Theoretical cases: Under the new rules, wireline broadband providers are forbidden from "unreasonable discrimination" against content.

That means Time Warner Cable can't take payments from Google to make YouTube come over the network faster than Hulu. Comcast, which is in the process of buying NBC, is also forbidden from favoring its own content over others'.- from CNN.com

Look at the bold part, see ISP can make the argument that video streaming sites take up more bandwidth therefore they can demand more money from them and make it seem reasonable discrimination. Basically say bye bye to up starts and any sites on a tight budgets.

 

[Glassfan]

Look at the bold part, see ISP can make the argument that video streaming sites take up more bandwidth therefore they can demand more money from them and make it seem reasonable discrimination. Basically say bye bye to up starts and any sites on a tight budgets.

They can make the argument to regulators instead of just doing a dirty deal behind closed doors.

 

[amadeus]

We need a free public internet.

That discriminates against poor people that don't own computers.

 

[GamezRule]

We need free computers.

That discriminates against richer people because now they have to share.

 

[negZero]

They can make the argument to regulators instead of just doing a dirty deal behind closed doors.

*Points to the housing meltdown

Yeah cause we know that works so well

 

[Glassfan]

*Points to the housing meltdown

Yeah cause we know that works so well

Well, you've got a point there. But the Internet has thusfar operated on free-market rules, which are often contrary to liberal expectations of a Free-Internet. Some reasonable regulations are overdue.

 

[cardgame]

Well, you've got a point there. But the Internet has thusfar operated on free-market rules, which are often contrary to liberal expectations of a Free-Internet. Some reasonable regulations are overdue.

But why? It's been doing perfectly fine so far. Don't fix what isn't broken.

 

[negZero]

Well, you've got a point there. But the Internet has thusfar operated on free-market rules, which are often contrary to liberal expectations of a Free-Internet. Some reasonable regulations are overdue.

But these aren't reasonable, there way for ISP to demand more money and worst yet companies like Comcast will still cap bandwidth usage to make more money.

 

[Tacitusitis]

except youtube is a pile of feces too, ergo, nothing is welcome

Youtube is merely the next Napster, a mecca of copyrighted content.

Every genre of music is available either for free on the VEVO section of the site, or simply uploaded with no regard for copyright. The next frontier is movies. Many movies stay up for months on Youtube. I once watched all three Star Wars without paying a dime. Netflix lets you watch dozens of movies by DVD rental or thousands online for ten bucks a month. Hulu has done the same thing for TV.

And here's the thing... Even with the corporations cutting their prices to the bone to try to head off the growth and popularity of illegal activity, sites like Novamov and Megavideo are still humming with activity.

With the advent of Flash video, now you don't need a peer-to-peer network, or a torrent client, or any kind of computer skills at all, to upload and share copyrighted information. Just point and click. Revolutionary from a 1999 point of view.

Also there IS good homemade content on Youtube


Link to video.

 

[negZero]

Youtube is merely the next Napster, a mecca of copyrighted content.

Every genre of music is available either for free on the VEVO section of the site, or simply uploaded with no regard for copyright. The next frontier is movies. Many movies stay up for months on Youtube. I once watched all three Star Wars without paying a dime. Netflix lets you watch dozens of movies by DVD rental or thousands online for ten bucks a month. Hulu has done the same thing for TV.

And on the other side of the coin you have UMG filing hundreds of illegal DMCA notices a day without any fear of being prosecute, but if normal joe tried that he facing perjury. It got to the point that if you fight DMCA notice on youtube you will basically auto win since only the copyright holder (or someone acting on there behalf) can fill one, well UMG just spams them out by the dozen, even though they have no relation to copyright in question.

And here's the thing... Even with the corporations cutting their prices to the bone to try to head off the growth and popularity of illegal activity, sites like Novamov and Megavideo are still humming with activity.

Yeah it must be tough for Hollywood with the whole record profits they've gotten recently.

With the advent of Flash video, now you don't need a peer-to-peer network, or a torrent client, or any kind of computer skills at all, to upload and share copyrighted information. Just point and click. Revolutionary from a 1999 point of view.

Flash video has been around for years and it hasn't destroyed Hollywood, so cut the bull. Also point and click was revolutionary back in 70s now its standard goal.

The problem is that people in control of most businesses have no clue how to use the internet for there benefit, so they cry for it to go away.