The death of Net Neautrality and the Raping of the American Consumer

[Tacitusitis]

You seem to have the attitude that the Internet's goal or purpose is to destroy Hollywood? Like if Hollywood keeps making movies, it's somehow NOT an amazing and cool thing that I can get tons of copyrighted content and information on the Internet for free?

The ability to take a movie, turn it into a flv, and share it quite easily in 5 minutes with millions of people? And these people only have to click on it to watch? And the movie can be watched in 10 minute segments that each take less than a minute to load? And the movie stays up for months or even years before getting nailed by copyright?

That is an amazing thing and would have BLOWN the mind of a 1999 internet user.

 

[Azale]

blags are crimes against humanity

YOU TAKE THAT BACK!

*We have gone in 10 years from having multiple competing search engines to one behemoth.

Bing? Plus Wikipedia is kinda a search engine itself.

*The blogs have gone from being a decentralized wild west to a situation where only a few voices on a few sites matter.

Not really.

*Increasingly, political opinion on the Internet is crafted and influenced by the same voices that dominate other media. For example, TV-news opinionmakers and newspaper columnists now also dominate the Internet conversation.

Once again, not really.

I don't see it like that anyway. Glenn Greenwald, for instance, has much more influence on the "internet conversation" than he does on television. Same with people like Andrew Sullivan, Nate Silver, or other more obscure bloggers/writers who you may not even realize have impacted their fields (like Curtis Melvin at NKEconomyWatch).

I really dislike the idea of even the slightest infringement on net neutrality, but I think you are being a little alarmist here.

 

[negZero]

You seem to have the attitude that the Internet's goal or purpose is to destroy Hollywood? Like if Hollywood keeps making movies, it's somehow NOT an amazing and cool thing that I can get tons of copyrighted content and information on the Internet for free?

THE INTERNET ISN"T DESTROYING HOLLYWOOD and never said it was

The ability to take a movie, turn it into a flv, and share it quite easily in 5 minutes with millions of people who only have to click on it to watch, and the movie stays up for months or even years before getting nailed by copyright?

Am sorry a progressive download isn't getting a ~600 MB file to the normal user in 5 mins.

That is an amazing thing and would have BLOWN the mind of a 1999 internet user.

Point and click no. ~600 MB being downloaded in 5 mins with a standard internet connection, yes. To bad that last one isn't happen any time soon. O don't sit there start talking about Internet 2 and fiber optics download speeds next because the general population doesn't have access to them.

 

[Tacitusitis]

I imagine I'll get an infraction if I actually post links, but here are some stats about videos you can find on Youtube very very easily:

A New Hope: one copy has been up since September 2009, another since June 2009
Empire Strikes Back: up since July 2009
Return Of The Jedi: up since July 2009
Phantom Menace: May 2009
Attack Of The Clones: May 2009
Revenge Of The Sith: February 2009

so much for "DMCA abuse."

In 1999 that would have been about 25$ at Blockbuster...

 

[negZero]

I imagine I'll get an infraction if I actually post links, but here are some stats about videos you can find on Youtube very very easily:

A New Hope: one copy has been up since September 2009, another since June 2009
Empire Strikes Back: up since July 2009
Return Of The Jedi: up since July 2009
Phantom Menace: May 2009
Attack Of The Clones: May 2009
Revenge Of The Sith: February 2009

so much for "DMCA abuse."

In 1999 that would have been about 25$ at Blockbuster...

And you know what those would be able to be taken down if people like UMG didn't abuse DMCA so much to the point that youtube has quit bothering with them. It is at the point that if you fight it you win.

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2007/03/victims-fight-back-against-dmca-abuse.ars
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/07/mom-sues-universal-music-dmca-abuse
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/dmca-abuse-extends-to-twitter-posts.ars

Those just some quick random ones, theres 9 million more results that google gives. DMCA was abused and is now ignored by several websites because of that abuse. But of course I notice how you fail to mention the death of P2P (Kazaa and Limewire down for good), or even the shutting down of Mininova. And next post you be talking about Pirate Bay and the embarrassment they give Hollywood every time they get in a fight.

 

[woody60707]

What's wrong with charging people more who have higher usage? (and in true charging people less who use less?)

The other two items of note sound like something that would be illegal under anti-trust laws already, or should be a regulated as a monopoly utility.

If it an't broke, don't fix it.

 

[negZero]

What's wrong with charging people more who have higher usage? (and in true charging people less who use less?)

Problem comes in when you say they have unlimited usage (Comcast), when they are not honest about it(Comcast and one other) and also they never charge you less always that nice agreed upon once month fee.

 

[Tacitusitis]

I notice how you fail to mention the death of P2P

Why the HELL would I put something on a P2P network when I can upload it to any number of "one click to view content" sites like

Youtube
Megavideo
Vimeo
DailyMotion
Break.com

or "one click to download content" websites like

Megaupload
Rapidshare
Box.net



P2P is embarrassingly irrelevant in this day n' age.

 

[negZero]

Why the HELL would I put something on a P2P network when I can upload it to any number of "one click to view content" sites like

OF course you won't talk about it since it was copyright victory for Hollywood, to the point its now one of there money makes

P2P is embarrassingly irrelevant in this day n' age.

Yeah thats why DNS, cloud computing, IM, VoIP and even streaming media use P2P still.

 

[Bill3000]

Youtube is merely the next Napster, a mecca of copyrighted content.

This is not an argument against youtube being a pile of feces. It is an argument in support of it.

 

[woody60707]

Problem comes in when you say they have unlimited usage (Comcast), when they are not honest about it(Comcast and one other) and also they never charge you less always that nice agreed upon once month fee.

Of your 2 points the 1st is illegal. And the 2nd is how things are now.

This just sounds like a fear of things that MAY happen IF we don't do (something???) now.

 

[Bill3000]

This just sounds like a fear of things that MAY happen IF we don't do (something???) now.

Isn't a good idea to try to prevent something from happening before it happens, instead of after? Now I know that's a concept that you guys in the TSA don't seem to understand, but I tend to think that it's a good idea myself.

 

[negZero]

Of your 2 points the 1st is illegal. And the 2nd is how things are now.

This just sounds like a fear of things that MAY happen IF we don't do (something???) now.

The second one is illegal too since most will claim unlimited speeds. ISP need to be reformed in many countries. Many have shown that they only care about there monopoly (Rogers and Bell Canada), scamming there customers (Comcast), or threatening brownouts on the internet if they don't get more money(basically every ISP). Yeah it sounds a bit alarmist but this stuff has been going on for years and some people are sick of having to deal with it.

 

[woody60707]

Isn't a good idea to try to prevent something from happening before it happens, instead of after? Now I know that's a concept that you guys in the TSA don't seem to understand, but I tend to think that it's a good idea myself.

LOL I was going to write another TSA joke, but I don't want to get off-topic.

Assuming that it will happen yes. But why are we assuming it will happen? You know what happens when you assume?

Lets look at wireless phone Co. That seems to work very well for everyone here. Also I see landline internet going the way of the phone laneline in the next decade or so. People's phones will (are) truning in to mini PCs that do 80-90% of the everyday stuff most people on there home PC now of days. Hell, I haven't check my e-mail, or things like FB from my PC for months now.

The second one is illegal too since most will claim unlimited speeds. ISP need to be reformed in many countries. Many have shown that they only care about there monopoly (Rogers and Bell Canada), scamming there customers (Comcast), or threatening brownouts on the internet if they don't get more money(basically every ISP). Yeah it sounds a bit alarmist but this stuff has been going on for years and some people are sick of having to deal with it.

I 100% agree with you, I just don't see what this has to do with net neutrality? Or is net neutrality just a general catch all term meaning to get tough and do a better job regulating ISPs who abuse the fact they have a near monopoly on the market. I agree with that in the same vain I agree something should be done about ticketmaster.

 

[civ_king]

And on the other side of the coin you have UMG filing hundreds of illegal DMCA notices a day without any fear of being prosecute, but if normal joe tried that he facing perjury. It got to the point that if you fight DMCA notice on youtube you will basically auto win since only the copyright holder (or someone acting on there behalf) can fill one, well UMG just spams them out by the dozen, even though they have no relation to copyright in question.


Yeah it must be tough for Hollywood with the whole record profits they've gotten recently.



Flash video has been around for years and it hasn't destroyed Hollywood, so cut the bull. Also point and click was revolutionary back in 70s now its standard goal.

The problem is that people in control of most businesses have no clue how to use the internet for there benefit, so they cry for it to go away.

The mouse was revolutionary in the 1980s...

 

[amadeus]

We need free computers.

So now the poor have to go out and buy electricity they can't afford?

 

[bhsup]

Like if Hollywood keeps making movies, it's somehow NOT an amazing and cool thing that I can get tons of copyrighted content and information on the Internet for free?

It's not amazing and cool. It's illegal.

 

[useless]

Just a FYI; companies often couldn't give a crap about the customer aka you.

 

[aimeeandbeatles]

Why the HELL would I put something on a P2P network when I can upload it to any number of "one click to view content" sites like

Youtube
Megavideo
Vimeo
DailyMotion
Break.com

or "one click to download content" websites like

Megaupload
Rapidshare
Box.net



P2P is embarrassingly irrelevant in this day n' age.

YouTube degrades quality and megaupload/rapidshare have filesize limits. Just sayin'

 

[amadeus]

Just a FYI; companies often couldn't give a crap about the customer aka you.

It's almost like they're only in it for the money or something...