The Emperor Masters' Challenge

Alright, I updated the last update. Unfortunately, I had to backtrack 1 turn because I had to load the autosave. I couldn't remember what exactly I did in that 1 turn so I took the liberty to do whatever seemed fit to me now. Sorry about that. But the some screenshots have been updated to reflect the current situation.
 
I wonder how we can conquer other continents.Because they are advanced on technology.In additon, when we focus on continent domination, they will go on tech...then what will we do ?
 
Hehe aelf I have to say this is the most dramatic moment in my CFC life! This has really turned into some game, waiting with baited breath. Definatly will be rooting on your side!! Good luck, and I'm barly able to wait for your next update! :)
 
Last I recall you had no firm intel on other continent; bit difficult to devise plans without information though I guess the focus is going to be on KK in the near future.
 
I suppose we won't be conquering the other continent. We would presumably be competing in the space race or seeking a diplomatic win.

The caravel is the first step to gaining some intel on the other continent, hopefully finding the mysterious last civ, if it's not dead. I guess we have to be satisfied with the unbalanced intel for the moment. As with the case of superior beings, the other side found and learned about us barbaric warmongering savages first ;)
 
NaZdReG said:
Aelf,

once you conquer the continent we'll have a good idea of your actual % needed for domination..if its within reach you coul keep up good relations and build yourself a navy with the specific goal of getting to domination

NaZ

Yeah, that's possible. But we would have to choose one or two of the lesser civs and try to isolate them before trying anything funny.
 
aelf said:
Yeah, that's possible. But we would have to choose one or two of the lesser civs and try to isolate them before trying anything funny.

sounds like a plan!
counting tiles may be your only hope.

Space race?
you're a bit backwards for this :lol:
maybe you could catapult some mongols to mars?

However the issue, i would appreciate that you play this one to the end, posting adequate screenies and saving what you do ;)
I'm pretty sure you're toast, and i'm pretty sure most players (even the best ones) would be toast now.
 
This thread needs a little bump. I had a busy week so far. This is the first night I am free enough to play the game a little further. IIRC, our short term objectives are to conquer the continent, switch to Free Religion and cottage up. Also, I will be seeking to find the last civ, with whom we can hopefully trade some techs when we've discovered Liberalism.

Next round coming up.
 
aelf said:
This thread needs a little bump. I had a busy week so far. This is the first night I am free enough to play the game a little further. IIRC, our short term objectives are to conquer the continent, switch to Free Religion and cottage up. Also, I will be seeking to find the last civ, with whom we can hopefully trade some techs when we've discovered Liberalism.

Next round coming up.

i vote for a domination run
 
Round 11: 1442AD - 1544AD

Onward, comrades! Though we are far behind, we will not surrender. We must and we will continue the struggle. Vive le Resistance!

After a bit of scouting, we could see that the most heavily defended Mongolian city, except for the capital, was Old Sarai:

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That didn't bode well for our friend Kublai as our forces continued to mass near his borders.

And as we made the final preparations for war, our exploring caravel found the last civ:

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Why was I not surprised? Another peacemonger :( What did we do to deserve this setup? Ah, well. Life has to go on. But check out what Cyrus had:

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See it? This doesn't make the situation look any better. It seems that we are indeed fighting a losing battle.

But something happened that amused me and was somewhat good news:

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Here we were, armed with nothing more advanced than metal clubs, and the Russians, boasting to the world about their Cossacks, asked us for a defensive pact :lol:

In the real world we'd be completely slaughtered or enslaved by now. Civ4 really is a peace-loving hippie's game at heart.

Anyway, this certainly meant that Cathy was friendly enough, and so we probably don't need to worry that much about her coming over to carve out her portion of the African pie.

Liberalism came just as our war preparations were complete.

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True enough, Freddy didn't have it. Neither did Cyrus (and needless to say Kublai too). Yet, this was the best deal we could get for it. In the end, we got a few hundred gold, Divine Right, Feudalism and Music. I guess better than nothing.

We got the map of the other continent too:

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It is clearly bigger than ours, making domination really questionable. Having to conquer 1/5 of that before getting enough land doesn't sound very promising, not with our current situation.

Anyway, I used the gold to upgrade a few swords to maces. And then we were ready.

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The Northern Army.

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The Southern Army.

Kublai, old friend, it's time we get even for the war you declared thousands of years ago :smoke:

[To be continued shortly. Can't upload more than 15 images in one post]
 
aelf said:
Kublai, old friend, it's time we get even for the war you declared thousands of years ago :smoke:

Hehe, you have a long memory, don't you? Go get him! The situation still looks gloomy though, with that big happy continent. Grrr... As I told you before I'm in a similar situation, on Prince, but due to the fact that I took a lot of land early in the game my economy is booming right now (looooots of cottages). I'm about to catch up the other AIs, but since I disabled Domination and Space Race (tried to look for a more interesting way to win) I'm pretty much doomed for a time victory. Only one city looks "cultured" enough to achieve legendary culture, so that's out too.

One possible piece of advice: maybe if you catch up a little bit with the AIs you could beeline for the Internet and still have a chance for Space Race? That, together with the Space Elevator are your best shots for Space Race, not sure you'll get them though. :(

Oh, and shouldn't you change that awful Christian religion? :D It only makes the Hindus mad. Free Religion also gives you that (small) research bonus.
 
well aelf thats one hell of a technical hurdle to get over. even with a defensive pact I dont know how you're going to be able to capture enough territory for domination win. maybe take out frederick first?? well good luck consolidating the continent, if you stay peaceful and focus on commerce and research you might just catch up. focus perhaps one city on gp production and burn them for techs as fast as possible. even if it only pays for part of it that will drastically speed up your research.

NaZ
 
We weren't really building anymore units, and I didn't think we needed reinforcements, so I made an unintuitive civic change just as war was declared:

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I thought the border push and extra income would help us in the war. And we could certainly use better relations with the other AIs too.

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Old Sarai fell with no loss on our side, while the Mongolian capital looked like it would be overwhelmed very soon.

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:ar15:

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Then it was time we took back Orleans:

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Orleans looks very financially promising with its floodplains and gold mines, so I decided to use the prophet for a shrine in it.

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It will be a great site for the Wall Street, and by then the city would have had enough time develop towns around it.

After 5 Mongolian cities had fallen to our forces (two in the south, three in the north), I found that we were already overstretched, so I made peace with Kublai to give us time to regroup. A cease fire would've sufficed, but it would take several turns to re-position our troops and let them heal anyway, so why not get Kublai to pay us 3 gold per turn in the meantime?

And, surprisingly enough, our old friend was still willing to trade.

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I went for the deal because that was the only way we could try to catch up with the other continent asap. Kublai won't last much longer to really benefit from Nationalism anyway.

And this is where the round ends. Our war against Kublai has been very successful. There was a point where we almost lost Paris, which got attacked by longbowmen while it revolted. There was only one spear left in it and a Mongolian mace was standing next to it protecting a copper mine. However, we captured Karakorum and on the next turn, just as I predicted to myself, the Mongolian units around Paris scattered and ran home with tails between legs :p Need anything else to spell out the AI's stupidity at waging war?

An overview of our situation now:

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The war had cost our economy a little, but after a few turns we should be able to rise above Cyrus again.

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We lost a few catapults, a mace and a few redundant units, which explains the slight dip in power.

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Most of the continent is ours now, but we still only have less than half of what is needed for domination. When we've gained full control of the continent, I think we'd have at most about 40+% of the world's land, which is far from 64%. Looks like the only realistic victory option we have now is diplomacy. It is possible, considering we can run US to make both Roosevelt and Freddy happy, and Cathy won't abandon HR.

We can start taking steps in that direction. We could give FDR and Freddy some spare resources to make them happier, switch to Hinduism asap if they don't seem to want to run Free Religion and sign defensive pacts with them. The timing for these actions must be discussed, though. And of course we'd have to see who builds the UN if we can't get it ourselves. With by far the largest land, we should be guaranteed the no.1 spot in population by then and we will be able to run for elections anyway. If Cyrus or one of the smaller AIs builds the UN, we can then try to get Cathy to vote for us, which is also possible. I've done non-backdoor diplomatic quite a few times so it should be doable.

Tech-wise, I am planning to research towards Democracy, run Emancipation to help cottage growth and stop the unhappiness, and then towards Biology for growth. How does that sound?

As usual, you comments and advice would be greatly appreciated.
 
Well, my advice about Free Religion came a little late, I guess. :D

One more "strategy", but it will be difficult to implement it with the tech deficit you have. Don't kill Kublai Khan, and gift him EVERY TECH to keep him on par and beeline for Mass Media then gift him that too. Pray that he builds the UN, and if you have the highest population you'll have him as an opponent, am I right? Then it's just a matter of getting the others to vote for you... :D

Edit: And yeah, you definitely need Emancipation.
 
carl corey said:
One more "strategy", but it will be difficult to implement it with the tech deficit you have. Don't kill Kublai Khan, and gift him EVERY TECH to keep him on par and beeline for Mass Media then gift him that too. Pray that he builds the UN, and if you have the highest population you'll have him as an opponent, am I right? Then it's just a matter of getting the others to vote for you... :D

Unfortunately, AFAIK the AI will not build the UN if there's no chance it can get the a significant share of the votes. At least the UN won't be a priority, and a Kublai with only one city will definitely not build it until long after Cathy or someone has launched the spaceship and there are no more buildings to build. And that's assuming someone else doesn't build it in the meantime.
 
I had a thought that may or may not be applicable, depending on your current tech sitch and the unfamiliar-to-me characteristics of the Emperor difficulty level.

I found myself in a similar situation in my ALC Qin game where even though I was a financial civ I was behind the civs on the other continent in tech and my economy was lagging. I initially planned an Internet bee-line as one other poster has suggested, but it became unnecessary. This was because of two things.

First, I managed to be the first to research a tech that the AI values but often delays researching: Steel. I'm not saying you can use the same tech for this strategem, but a careful look at the tech tree, your opponents' techs, and our collective knowledge of the AI's predilections may reveal something similar.

Second, I traded Steel to the AIs, but slowly. I traded it to one civ, then waited a turn before trading it to another. Why? Because the techs I obtained from the first trade were prerequisites for other techs that then became available from other civs (also for Steel) on the next turn.

Maybe you're too far behind to pull something like this off. Alternately, you could cottage up as planned, catch up in research as best you can with an eye on a tech that you could use in this fashion.

Like I said, just a thought.
 
Sisiutil, you have a point about different research paths, but the problem is that all those civs share the same religion and are most likely on very friendly terms with each other. In my game in which this has happened they trade around like there's no tomorrow.

So for me, it's either trade now or never trade it. So I have one new tech, I trade for everything I can, even if it means giving it to the most advanced civ for let's say 500-1000 gold (Marathon speed, don't know how this would scale to Standard). I'm now three (or more, can't see further) techs behind the leader but the gap is fluctuating and I might catch up since my cottages aren't fully matured yet. I think aelf might be able to recover some of the deficit, not sure if all of it though...
 
Worth rethinking religion. As I understand it if an AI hasn't founded a religion they go by number of cities; so swamping one civ with missionaries might get them to swop, possibly leading to some disharmony.
Generally if you get your continent to yourself you have a chance of ending up single largest civ with potentially largest economy.
 
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