The fine-tuning argument for God's existence

[Flying Pig]

Interesting. Organisms are "very well suited to survive" is just another hint at inteligent design. To say about something it suited to survive is to declare purpose and you cant have purpose without inteligence. Its really that simple....

No it isn't. My shoes are excellent at absorbing water.

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

No it isn't. My shoes are excellent at absorbing water.

But you dont care since you dont think there is any purpose in having dry feet...

 

[Flying Pig]

What? What I'm saying is that something can be good at or suited to do something without being designed to do it - in this case, while being designed to do the exact opposite.

 

[Mise]

A lot of things in nature are very stupidly designed.

 

[Borachio]

Which might make one suspect they aren't designed at all?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

What? What I'm saying is that something can be good at or suited to do something without being designed to do it - in this case, while being designed to do the exact opposite.

To have competion of contradictory forces is at root of existence of this world. Quite inhuman since human design focuses mostly on pleasant side.
Also please consider survival and many other instincts which are extremely powerful and are here for perpetuing of the specie - again something without purpose?

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

A lot of things in nature are very stupidly designed.

Cant be true since you are the end product so far...

 

[Mise]

I'm going bald.

 

[Borachio]

Are you? Whereabouts?

 

[Mise]

Are you? Whereabouts?

On my head. Not all of my head mind you - only certain parts of my head. The crown, of course, but also a sort of semicircular region towards the front: both of these areas are very thin now....

I mean, honestly, there must be thousands of hairs on my head: what is the probability that these specific hairs just randomly stopped growing? If the value of the gravitational constant, the speed of light, or the charge of an electron were different by a factor of 10^-226, I would not have gone bald (Farley, 1977). It's absurd to think that this happened by chance. Clearly, someone has finely tuned the universe in such a way as to make me go bald.

So, yeah, cheers for that.

 

[Borachio]

Why is going bald a bad thing? The samurai used to shave their foreheads high up to simulate baldness.

And monks have their tonsures.

 

[Mise]

Why is going bald a bad thing? The samurai used to shave their foreheads high up to simulate baldness.

And monks have their tonsures.

Well that's fine for them, with their hair. But me, with my hair, I like my hair in this way. It is special and valuable for me that my hair is this way, and not any other way that it could possibly be. Of all the possible ways that my hair could have been, this is the only way that it actually was, and therefore it is special and valuable to me.

To a samurai or a monk or some other hypothetical person that doesn't actually have my hair, it might seem different. But those things don't exist: they might be hypothetically special or valuable, but they aren't actually special or valuable. The only person that actually has my hair is me, and therefore only what is special and valuable to me is actually special and valuable.

 

[Borachio]

Then you're quite content that the way your hair is, is slightly on the way out side?

(That's a poorly constructed sentence.)

A feature of your hair is that you're going bald, and you're quite content with that feature?

(Honestly, I give up on the sentence construction side of things, atm.)

 

[Mechanicalsalvation]

Proof: Of all the possible ways that my hair could have been, this is the only way that it actually was. Therefore it is special and valuable.

Looks like you have been designed to learn some detachment🐴...

 

[Kyriakos]

On my head. Not all of my head mind you - only certain parts of my head. The crown, of course, but also a sort of semicircular region towards the front: both of these areas are very thin now....

I mean, honestly, there must be thousands of hairs on my head: what is the probability that these specific hairs just randomly stopped growing? If the value of the gravitational constant, the speed of light, or the charge of an electron were different by a factor of 10^-226, I would not have gone bald (Farley, 1977). It's absurd to think that this happened by chance. Clearly, someone has finely tuned the universe in such a way as to make me go bald.

So, yeah, cheers for that.

You would do well to not read Chechov from now on, since you are follicle-challenged

 

[Gori the Grey]

I mean, honestly, there must be thousands of hairs on my head: what is the probability that these specific hairs just randomly stopped growing? If the value of the gravitational constant, the speed of light, or the charge of an electron were different by a factor of 10^-226, I would not have gone bald (Farley, 1977). It's absurd to think that this happened by chance. Clearly, someone has finely tuned the universe in such a way as to make me go bald.

Luke 12:7

 

[Mise]

Then you're quite content that the way your hair is, is slightly on the way out side?

(That's a poorly constructed sentence.)

A feature of your hair is that you're going bald, and you're quite content with that feature?

(Honestly, I give up on the sentence construction side of things, atm.)

I understand what you're saying. And it's true: if my hair were any other way, it would be worse, because it would no longer be the way in which it is now. Why? Because the way in which it is now is how it actually is. It is better for something to be actual than merely hypothetical. Therefore, the way it is now is better than any of the other ways that it could possibly be.

 

[Gori the Grey]

I understand what you're saying. And it's true: if my hair were any other way, it would be worse, because it would no longer be the way in which it is now. Why? Because the way in which it is now is how it actually is. It is better for something to be actual than merely hypothetical. Therefore, the way it is now is better than any of the other ways that it could possibly be.

An argument worthy of Professor Pangloss himself.

 

[Kyriakos]

Try to find the bright side of this (or the more exposed to the elements? ).

 

[Plotinus]

Interesting. Organisms are "very well suited to survive" is just another hint at inteligent design. To say about something it suited to survive is to declare purpose and you cant have purpose without inteligence. Its really that simple....

It isn't. As Flying Pig said, the mere fact that something is good at something doesn't mean it was designed for that purpose. Our cat loves playing with ear plugs but they certainly weren't designed as cat toys, they just happen to have features that attract cats (or at least our cat).

In the case of organisms, the theory of evolution by natural selection explains extremely well and thoroughly why they have features that are well suited to their survival. This being so, there's no need to invoke "intelligence" as an additional explanation. It's already adequately explained.