The future of Tesla

[Ferocitus]

I suspect you may actually be underestimating China's current ability with electrical vehicles. They're already competent enough, in their local manufacturers, to beat Tesla.

I've been wondering why they bothered bankrolling Tesla's factory there and my best guess is that it was about buying influence with an up-and-coming american oligarch, useful in the context of the developing new cold war.

Not at all.
All I was saying was that Tesla is not essential to China, and can be supplanted whenever China feels it is in its own interests to do so. Having Tesla build their cars in China offloads some of the engineering research that China would have to do itself in the absence of Tesla. OTOH, Tesla and many other companies are very dependent on some materials that are conveniently available in China. And that may not be so if your "Cold War" idea eventuates.
We'll know it's a "hot" Cold War when scientists from the opposing sides must choose to return home or stay where they are.

The Thousand Talents Plan is a Chinese government program to attract scientists and engineers from overseas. Since the plan began in 2008, it has recruited thousands of researchers from countries including the United States, the United Kingdom, Germany, Singapore, Canada, Japan, France and Australia.
https://theconversation.com/the-tho...to-become-the-global-scientific-leader-145100

What actions by the US and its allies and China would it take for those researchers to be forced to go back to their respective countries?

 

[Ferocitus]

Tesla starts delivering made-in-China Model Ys, accelerates investment in the mainland
Tesla started delivering made-in-China Model Ys on Monday, as the US-based electric carmaker strives to explore the Chinese mainland market with efforts including the launch of new models, after achieving success with Model 3 cars. It's also looking to build a supercharger factory in China, the company disclosed.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202101/1213170.shtml

 

[Blake4000]

I'm a fan of Elon, the guy is a visionary, and has quite a remarkable mind. I enjoy listening to him speak on podcasts during interviews.

 

[Ferocitus]

I'm a fan of Elon, the guy is a visionary, and has quite a remarkable mind. I enjoy listening to him speak on podcasts during interviews.

I hope he goes to Mars. By 2022.

 

[r16]

nobody is going to Mars .

 

[Ferocitus]

I'm a fan of Elon, the guy is a visionary, and has quite a remarkable mind. I enjoy listening to him speak on podcasts during interviews.

Does he give credit to the hundreds of scientists and engineers who feed him ideas after they've worked out many details and surmounted all manner of details?
Do you really believe that all the ideas he promotes in public are his and his alone?

 

[Joij21]

Does he give credit to the hundreds of scientists and engineers who feed him ideas after they've worked out many details and surmounted all manner of details?
Do you really believe that all the ideas he promotes in public are his and his alone?

No, but he obviously bankrolls them. I mean what really is the alternative for them? Government funding? We all know how well the American government loves funding science.

But in all seriousness these scientists have to get paid and often times government grants here in the U.S. aren't enough to cut it. Usually the only assured paychecks scientists and intellectuals can get is through the corporate sector. Welcome to America!

 

[Moriarte]

Does he give credit to the hundreds of scientists and engineers who feed him ideas after they've worked out many details and surmounted all manner of details?

He pays scientists and engineers to work at the front line of science. Because of him, the organiser and them, scientists and engineers, vast sums of money are channeled into what eventually will become space exploration, space mining and related industries. Is he a capitalist who tries to appropriate the money and the credit? The finest you can get. It’s been well researched what capitalists are generally capable of well before Marx wrote Das Kapital, so I am not sure why anyone would find it surprising that a capitalist is acting like one.

 

[Ferocitus]

He pays scientists and engineers to work at the front line of science. Because of him, the organiser and them, scientists and engineers, vast sums of money are channeled into what eventually will become space exploration, space mining and related industries. Is he a capitalist who tries to appropriate the money and the credit? The finest you can get. It’s been well researched what capitalists are generally capable of well before Marx wrote Das Kapital, so I am not sure why anyone would find it surprising that a capitalist is acting like one.

I have no problem with him being viewed as an enabler of ideas.
I'm not convinced that he is a "visionary" who comes up with ideas on his own, which is how many people represent him.

 

[Moriarte]

I have no problem with him being viewed as an enabler of ideas.
I'm not convinced that he is a "visionary" who comes up with ideas on his own, which is how many people represent him.

No one comes up with ideas on their own. We all build on top of prior knowledge accumulated by previous generations over thousands of years. As for him being a visionary, it’s a bit of a romantic term, isn’t it? Much like “enabler of ideas”.

 

[Ferocitus]

No one comes up with ideas on their own. We all build on top of prior knowledge accumulated by previous generations over thousands of years. As for him being a visionary, it’s a bit of a romantic term, isn’t it? Much like “enabler of ideas”.

Both being "romantic terms" doesn't necessarily mean that there is any other similarity.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Does he give credit to the hundreds of scientists and engineers who feed him ideas after they've worked out many details and surmounted all manner of details?
Do you really believe that all the ideas he promotes in public are his and his alone?

He routinely steals credit from those that work for him. His official biographer even noted that to hear him ell it, he invented and then built the Falcon 1 rocket by himself.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

I hope he goes to Mars. By 2022.

nobody is going to Mars .

2022 isn't happening, but I am certain that within my lifetime we will send humans to mars.

 

[r16]

musk is going nowhere . This is bet on the power of

some guy's personal view of a TV show that was already old when ı was a kid . ı remember one single episode in which they finally sent a probe to the Alien planet but lacking a measure of scale they have no idea of what they see in the photographs . Musk is a "project" , an human face to a final phase of Capitalism . Funny , witty , a lot of girls and whatnot , acting on his impulses , a lot of successes while Nasa can not even launch . While his true self shows when he is openly speculating , supposedly (?) against American laws . There is no money in going to Mars , a lot to protect with fooling an entire generation of mankind .

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

I think Tesla will turn into just another boring car company. Musk will move onto Space stuff entirely.

 

[Narz]

2022 isn't happening, but I am certain that within my lifetime we will send humans to mars.

Based on what? That's what 500x farther than a human has ever been before.

 

[Aiken_Drumn]

Based on the immense sums of money being spent on achieving goals aiming in that direction.

While possibly daft and pointless, Elon is spunking huge amounts of money to make space cheaper. He keeps this up, it will be achieveable.

 

[EvaDK]

It's admirable that Tesla initiated the rapid development of electric vehicles and battery technology, while the other American and European automakers were rather sluggish about making the necessary transition happen. But Tesla needs to spend much more on R&D, if they don't want to be overtaken by their competitors within the next five years.