[RD] The Israel/Palestine Quarantine Thread

[innonimatu]

Is is totally impossible, moreso as power and fuel have been cut off, buildings destroyed and communication lines blocked. Evacuating a coulpe hunded of thousands of people in the bankans wars was already prone to go wrong back when the ethnic cleansings of Yugoslavia were being done...
If true the insane are in the driver's seat. The purpose of such a warning can only be as excuse to pretend later that "they were warned and didn't heed it".

If confirmed, starting with the north, this is not a plan for indefinite military occupation, is is an attempto to implement the "Biden plan" of ethnic cleansing by pushing the population out of Gaza. People there will immediately see it. As will everyone in the middle east.

 

[Zardnaar]

I understand most of the worlds disgust concerning the Hamas terror attack, I understand the shock of killing innocents and babies. What I don't understand is the lack of concern for the Palestinian civilians that have died in the past and the women and children in Gaza that are dying right now. We see constant images of the sufferering of Jews, but next to zero bodies of Palestinian women children and innocents. I have heard some brave pundits on the news talk about leveling Gaza or turning it into a parking lot. I have heard the euphemism "mowing the grass" referring to the ceaseless bombardment of Gaza in the past. The civilian population in Gaza is trapped with nowhere to go.

It seems everyone abhors violence against innocents in Israel but some how, probably willfully, forget about the women and children dying as we speak. The bombardment of Gaza is collective punishment against a people. I consider a war crime.

Even if Israel manages to wipe out Hamas in Gaza, that will not stop future terrorist attacks. In fact the bombing of Gaza is just creating more bitter Palestinians, and other Muslims who will seek revenge. Its just a continuation of the current cycle of violence. While it does not make me happy to see civilians die in droves, Its hard to have sympathy for a country that pokes at a hornets nest [insert whatever long list of grievances the Palestinian people have] and are shocked that they have gotten stung.

Continuation Rant: Also I dont get the undying support for Israel that America gives her. In many peoples minds they can do no wrong, I don't feel the US owes the Israelis anything other than defensive support and stopping the entrance of other parties in the war, aside from that the US should stand down. Ive heard one of the reasons for support of Israels is that it the only democracy in the middle east. First, I don't think they are a democracy. I think Israel is better described as a theocracy with democratic traits. How can they be a democracy and an apartheid government at the same time? Also, there was a moderate Islamic country in the region known as Iran, but the CIA, Britain and the Israelis decided to overthrow the governement and install a dictator, and now we have an insane theocratic govt. in Iran. (see operation Ajax)

One can still be democratic and be an asshat. Eg who gets to vote, what you're voting for etc.

In a game I play you can be a fanatic xenophobic militarist/spiritualist, fanatic purifier.

I imagine they're voting on the most efficient way to purge everyone else.

One reason I think the word fascist is over used as various crappy things people associate with fascism online have occured under multiple forms of government.

Democracies hide it better though. You won't really see a referendum saying should we purge xyz.

 

[caketastydelish]

Please share them, Ive heard some talk about them on MSNBC and FOX, but not extensive coverage in the form of interviews, pictures, footage and human interest stories like we have seen with Israelis. I did read a story about a man who lost contact with a Palestinian journalist that died shortly after the bombardment began.

Opinion: I am a Palestinian journalist from Gaza. I fear a media blackout of the war

My colleague Ibrahim was killed after the Hamas attacks. Now, Israel is bombing Gaza and blocking food and electricity. Will journalists be able to cover the humanitarian crisis?

www.latimes.com

I would recommend British channel 4 and BBC for great coverage of Gaza you can their videos on YouTube.

 

[Strong Reaction]

The purpose of such a warning can only be as excuse to pretend later that "they were warned and didn't heed it".

I agree, it is akin to saying " you have 10 seconds run one mile away to safety."

 

[caketastydelish]

Israel will almost certainly invade Gaza, and they should. American was swift and decisive after 9/11 and this should and will be no different. If America can invade an entire country halfway across the world after a major terrorist attack, Israel can invade a city it shares a border with. This time Hamas must be entirely obliterated.

Edit: when Hamas started the conflict they gave no warning whatsoever at least Israel is saying something. Hamas must be eradicated and that can only be done with a ground invasion of Gaza it would be insane if they didn’t.

 

[keli]

You see that in day one. Just look at /r/worldnews, it's still filled with bloodlust and people gleefully justifying massacres of Palestinians because one or more of the following reasons:
- Hamas live among them and unavoidable collateral damage
- Because they support Hamas (something something 50%+ support)
- Because some of them celebrated the deaths of dead Israeli
- Because Islam is [insert negative descriptions]

And with regards to disastrous results of American response to 9/11, that's usually in reference to the suffering of American soldiers sacrificing their lives while invading other countries or how much it exhausted American treasury. That's really what Americans seem to care about... rather than you know locals being casually exterminated during the process.

And I see that on civfanatics certain people give Hamas a pass. And to the people who chant death to jews in multiple cities across Europe.

Neither reddit nor civfanatics synthesize the opinion of people. So it’s pointless to use it as an excuse.

 

[innonimatu]

Israel will almost certainly invade Gaza, and they should. American was swift and decisive after 9/11 and this should and will be no different. If America can invade an entire country halfway across the world after a major terrorist attack, Israel can invade a city it shares a border with. This time Hamas must be entirely obliterated.

Edit: when Hamas started the conflict they gave no warning whatsoever at least Israel is saying something. Hamas must be eradicated and that can only be done with a ground invasion of Gaza it would be insane if they didn’t.

Swift and decisive on shipping out of the country every Saidy that could be conneted with the plot, and refusing to follow that lead?
Swift and decisive at starting to plot a war against an "axis of evil" that included two of three countries that had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and were in fact enemies of the group that did it?
Swift and decisive at curtaing domestic rights of its own population "because war", approving a mostly pre-packaged plan that a certain Biden had previously tried to push as senator and been refused because it was such an affront to freedoms?

 

[keli]

Well, fringe left is gonna fringe.

BLM Chicago goes on posting rampage

BLM Chicago has gone on a posting rampage after doubling down on its support for Palestine - as they issued a sarcastic apology and deleted the post using an image of a paraglider.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[E.man]

Trump simply stated two facts lol. Hezbollah is smart (note that smart has nothing to do with evil) and Bibi was unprepared. The reaction is funny

Please more details on why "smart "?

 

[E.man]

It seems that our Prime Minister is involving the UK

UK to deploy Royal Navy ships to Middle East to 'bolster security'

Two ships, surveillance aircraft, helicopters and a detachment of Royal Marines are being dispatched.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not going to protect Gaza civilians then?

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

And I see that on civfanatics certain people give Hamas a pass. And to the people who chant death to jews in multiple cities across Europe.

Hmm, who gave Hamas a pass here? It is quite common for folks to conflate critiques on Israeli or sympathy for Palestinians with anti-semitism and then whip themselves into a moral outage

Neither reddit nor civfanatics synthesize the opinion of people. So it’s pointless to use it as an excuse.

Sorry, I can't parse this

 

[Zardnaar]

Hmm, who gave Hamas a pass here? It is quite common for folks to conflate critiques on Israeli or sympathy for Palestinians with anti-semitism and then whip themselves into a moral outage

Sorry, I can't parse this

It's kinda funny seeing extreme left and right condemning same thing lol.

Horseshoe theory in action.

 

[keli]

Hmm, who gave Hamas a pass here? It is quite common for folks to conflate critiques on Israeli or sympathy for Palestinians with anti-semitism and then whip themselves into a moral outage

This is funny to hear after being been called white supremacist and racist multiple times in this thread. Never thought that I would be called as such for pointing out that Hamas is bad.

Horseshoe theory in action.

Yep, pretty much. Both the far-left and far-right are of the same seed.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

It's kinda funny seeing extreme left and right condemning same thing lol.

Horseshoe theory in action.

Who's extreme right and extreme left here?

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

This is funny to hear after being been called white supremacist and racist multiple times in this thread. Never thought that I would be called as such for pointing out that Hamas is bad.

Oh I am really sorry that you were called a white supremacist or racist in this thread. I certainly have not said anything of that sort and I hardly know you. I'd be surprised, though, if somebody gave you these labels for pointing out Hamas is bad, as they are indeed a terrible organization that did terrible things that we shouldn't condone. However, I often do find that people tend to twist the words of others and implant novel characterization in an attempt to misrepresent arguments in order to paint them in a more favourable light.

 

[Strong Reaction]

Please more details on why "smart "?

I think he is confusing smart with ruthless, because the latter is more appropriate, they are not the same thing. Trump also said it was smart of Putin to invade the Ukraine, shows you how much he knows.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

We're witnessing a genocide occur in real time, can we please try to act accordingly? In the weeks to come, our collective lack of response will burned into our souls and shame us all

 

[Birdjaguar]

Moderator Action: Afghanistan posts removed. Stay on topic please.

 

[ywhtptgtfo]

Ex-Israeli PM Explodes at Anchor for Asking About Palestinian Deaths

Naftali Bennett spoke on the country’s decision to cut off essential resources to Gaza, saying he would not provide food, electricity, or water to his “enemies”.

www.thedailybeast.com

“Are you seriously–keep asking me about Palestinian civilians? What is wrong with you? Have you not seen what’s happened? We’re fighting Nazis,” said PM Naftali Bennett in the clip. He continued, referencing the country’s decision to cut off essential resources to Gaza, “I’m not going to [provide food], electricity, or water to my enemies.” Anchor Kamali Melbourne pushed back, saying, “This is my program, and I am asking the questions.” Bennett later claimed that Melbourne was trying to “spin a narrative” in favor of Palestinians. Eventually addressing the initial question about civilian deaths, Bennett answered, “We’re going to target Hamas, and we’re telling Hamas that if you use anyone as your human shield… that it’s their responsibility.”

 

[caketastydelish]

We're witnessing a genocide occur in real time, can we please try to act accordingly? In the weeks to come, our collective lack of response will burned into our souls and shame us all

What do you mean by genocide?