The Mob

[Leoreth]

Judging by how you treated the last one, I doubt many would want to come

 

[Cutlass]

I charge openly that he will, if possible, take any course opened by anarchy to seize power permanently. I cry tryant.

Hyperbole much? How about that demagoguery you are engaged in?

I think charging a President with tryanny rises above the level of snide comments.

All the way to rabble rousing.

But perhaps you'd like a quote by someone still breathing.

"As far as this Occupy Wall Street movement goes, you know I see it sort of like a Paris mob,” “I see the president’s rhetoric of envy inflaming the public.”

Rand Paul

We could discuss Obama's threats to "take it to the American people", made repeatedly over the past year in the backdrop of serious economic distress. Any thinking person knows that the Chief Executive's primary responsibility is to protect the people and yet here he is deliberately provoking unrest at a time when unrest must necessarily lead to violence. And it will and the blood will be on his hands.

He does this for his political future; he has been clear that he proposed his so-called jobs bill for the express purpose and aim to give him a political point to run on. He is intentionally sowing dissention.

He's not provoking anything. He's hoping that a public grass roots movement will get Congress off it's useless ass. And he isn't sowing nearly as much dissension as the class warriors in the Republican leadership.

If you want a solution give up the coffee and have some Tea. Krugman put his seal of approval on the Mob today in a witless column in which he blamed the credit crisis on bank's reckless lending. Totally peddling ignorance and I pray you see through it.

It was the Congress that forced the banks to lend recklessly by law and by operation of Fannie and Freddy and the Fed that fed the bubble. The liberals have blown up the country and now eagerly look to the mob to mop up the survivors.

I wonder if Obama will enforce a no fly zone over New York when things get out of hand? Perhaps a few cruise missiles? God save us if the mob realizes that no restraining political power exists above the local level.

Ya know what's funny? There isn't a single loan out there that Congress compelled to be made. All of it was the banks, the mortgage companies, and Wall St. It was all reckless lending by the private sector. So it is you, not Krugman, that is peddling ignorance.

You are trying to shift the blame for political purposes. Not Obama.

 

[katipunero]

the problem with most liberal americans is that they're too kind, patient and intelligent to engage in empty rhetoric in the proper battle form. they are missing that sort of electrifying zeal to deal with demagoguery effectively head on. and usually they end up being the ones bullied.

so it's a big surprise to me that the OWS movement is gaining traction. whatever made these little, docile and innocent sheep move from the flock and turn into wolves must be really that bad and evil. my prediction, in keeping with OP's forecasting, the OWS will get even bigger. even bigger than the Tea Party ever was and ever will be.

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

the problem with most liberal americans is that they're too kind, patient and intelligent to engage in empty rhetoric in the proper battle form. they are missing that sort of electrifying zeal to deal with demagoguery effectively head on. and usually they end up being the ones bullied.

so it's a big surprise to me that the OWS movement is gaining traction. whatever made these little, docile and innocent sheep move from the flock and turn into wolves must be really that bad and evil. my prediction, in keeping with OP's forecasting, the OWS will get even bigger. even bigger than the Tea Party ever was and ever will be.

The problem to me is that I can't really find myself belonging to the OWS movement. Since most grievances are American-Centric, and has almost nothing to do with the plight of their fellow human being across the globe, that are suffering way much worse.

 

[katipunero]

don't worry, the Occupation will be staged in your nearest popular promenade soon enough. that's how big OWS will grow and i mean globally.

 

[squadbroken]

The problem to me is that I can't really find myself belonging to the OWS movement. Since most grievances are American-Centric, and has almost nothing to do with the plight of their fellow human being across the globe, that are suffering way much worse.

You could extend this line of reasoning to any desire for change being unworthy if it isn't aimed at helping the absolute worst off in the world. But it's hard to convince some guy with no job and a family to feed that he should be protesting greater injustices in a country thousands of miles away instead of the lesser ones at home that are affecting him and his loved ones.

 

[Hygro]

Since when does large protest = death and destruction? The OWS protests are still substantially smaller than the biggest Tea Party events. If this is chaos, what was last summer...Kabul?

Yeah, and they actually bring guns.

 

[Mr. Dictator]

I too am wary of the democrats throwing their weight behind this. Like they're not guilty as well.

Cheap political points don't value that well on our exchange anymore.

 

[Glassfan]

He's not provoking anything. He's hoping that a public grass roots movement will get Congress off it's useless ass. And he isn't sowing nearly as much dissension as the class warriors in the Republican leadership.

Way cool! I want to be a Class Warrior in the Republican Leadership! I think you've coined a new term. Or did you just mean class enemy (Communist phrase)?

In any case, the movement picked a bad time to start. Soon it'll be cold and snowy and they'll stay indoors.

 

[bombshoo]

Way cool! I want to be a Class Warrior in the Republican Leadership! I think you've coined a new term. Or did you just mean class enemy (Communist phrase)?

In any case, the movement picked a bad time to start. Soon it'll be cold and snowy and they'll stay indoors.

Summer wouldn't have been much better. 90 degree days are as bad as the cold and snow.

 

[Glassfan]

Summer wouldn't have been much better. 90 degree days are as bad as the cold and snow.

Really? Where are you from, Manitoba?

 

[bombshoo]

Really? Where are you from, Manitoba?

I'm a fellow Ohioan actually.

Look at it this way, if it's cold you can always put on more layers, but if it's hot you can only take off so much before you're naked. Standing around in large groups in the middle of the city on a really hot day would be terrible and would surely hurt turnout. The only more optimum time to do a protest like this would be in spring.

Also you do have to remember it's been going on for almost a month now, so they pretty much started at the beginning of Autumn. I wouldn't say their timing was bad at all.

 

[Glassfan]

I'm a fellow Ohioan actually.

Look at it this way, if it's cold you can always put on more layers, but if it's hot you can only take off so much before you're naked. Standing around in large groups in the middle of the city on a really hot day would be terrible and would surely hurt turnout. The only more optimum time to do a protest like this would be in spring.

Also you do have to remember it's been going on for almost a month now, so they pretty much started at the beginning of Autumn. I wouldn't say their timing was bad at all.

I'll bet you a 2002 Ohio commemorative quarter that this all dries up after the first big freeze.

 

[holy king]

Way cool! I want to be a Class Warrior in the Republican Leadership! I think you've coined a new term. Or did you just mean class enemy (Communist phrase)?

what, the capitalist class doesnt fight the class war now?

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

You could extend this line of reasoning to any desire for change being unworthy if it isn't aimed at helping the absolute worst off in the world. But it's hard to convince some guy with no job and a family to feed that he should be protesting greater injustices in a country thousands of miles away instead of the lesser ones at home that are affecting him and his loved ones.

I think you make a good point there. I would like to see an international movement, where many people who are unemployed, or having low wages to collaborate with one another without any hint of nationalistic pride getting in the way.

That is why we need to fight for our freedom on the internet (combating China's firewall, respecting our rights for privacy, and etc.) so that it function more than just fast and free flow of information, trade, and many others.

 

[Cutlass]

Way cool! I want to be a Class Warrior in the Republican Leadership! I think you've coined a new term. Or did you just mean class enemy (Communist phrase)?

In any case, the movement picked a bad time to start. Soon it'll be cold and snowy and they'll stay indoors.

Your attempt at sarcasm fails the reality test. The only class warfare that has ever existed in the US has been the top against the middle and bottom. To pretend otherwise is just demagoguery.

 

[Glassfan]

Your attempt at sarcasm fails the reality test. The only class warfare that has ever existed in the US has been the top against the middle and bottom. To pretend otherwise is just demagoguery.

I was only attempting irony, and I thought you really did intend to say "class enemy". Otherwise "warriors" doesn't really make much sense. And it would seem natural that since it was at your expense, you wouldn't find it funny.

I believe that we should consider ourselves fortunate that we have so little class warfare in America. The occupiers certainly have the right to protest, and we others have the right to ignore them.

 

[bombshoo]

I'll bet you a 2002 Ohio commemorative quarter that this all dries up after the first big freeze.

I'm not saying it won't, but I think choosing Autumn was a good time to get high initial turn out. If they had chosen to start in say August, one 90 degree day could have killed it beyond recovery. At least by choosing September as a start they were able to get at least two months of protest time in.

 

[Traitorfish]

I think charging a President with tryanny rises above the level of snide comments.

In the current American rhetorical climate? I'd say that it barely reaches that level...

Your attempt at sarcasm fails the reality test. The only class warfare that has ever existed in the US has been the top against the middle and bottom. To pretend otherwise is just demagoguery.

Posing the working majority as helpless victims of bourgeois tyranny does them few favours. Just because they're in retreat now doesn't mean that they always have been, or always will be.

 

[Cutlass]

I was only attempting irony, and I thought you really did intend to say "class enemy". Otherwise "warriors" doesn't really make much sense. And it would seem natural that since it was at your expense, you wouldn't find it funny.

I believe that we should consider ourselves fortunate that we have so little class warfare in America. The occupiers certainly have the right to protest, and we others have the right to ignore them.

The point is that we have a HUGE amount of class warfare going on now and in the past few decades. And all of it is the top against the middle and bottom.

As Buffet says: They're winning.

Posing the working majority as helpless victims of bourgeois tyranny does them few favours. Just because they're in retreat now doesn't mean that they always have been, or always will be.

But there's never really been class warfare the poor against the rich. There has never been more than a trivial effort to eliminate the rich. We just don't roll that way. It's always been about letting labor have a piece of the pie. Not about taking the whole pie away.