The Multipolar World (MP)

[Lighthearter]

Jehoshua had this fascination for getting Christos' head on a pike in the latest Realpolitik . . . and the one before that, if I recall correctly.

Obviously, then, one can infer they are real tight companions and would never say a word against each other.

That said: Jehoshua is terrifyingly good at Realpolitik. I advise extreme caution now that he's in the open.

-L

 

[Jehoshua]

Well you see, Christos in general is quite irritating, and so ever since GaP where I first encountered him (where he immediately tried to start a rebellion) I have decided to make a hobby of keeping him down, me in and the rabble out

Also I have no intentions of screwing over any player and their empire at the moment (with the exception of Christos through my unrevealed loyal acolyte ). So East Italy, you're in the clear ... Although perhaps it would be reasonable to make a agreement of non-aggression with the Holy See, both vowing to never attack the other. We don't want a world war to start in Italy do we and besides no harm can come from a non-agression treaty.

 

[Tyo]

Oh snap.

I'm gonna have to be reverent to the Holy See now, aren't I?

 

[Jehoshua]

Indeed you are

Would you like to form a nice defensive alliance with the Holy See to protect it from teh depradations of all who would seek to do it harm in agressive conflict. Or are you an impious imposter who would leave his Holy Church open to the infernal depredations of the impious nations of the world?

 

[GenMarshall]

Oh snap.

I'm gonna have to be reverent to the Holy See now, aren't I?

Link to video.

 

[Mosher]

Indeed you are

Would you like to form a nice defensive alliance with the Holy See to protect it from teh depradations of all who would seek to do it harm in agressive conflict. Or are you an impious imposter who would leave his Holy Church open to the infernal depredations of the impious nations of the world?

The Crusaders are already a member of the Comintern.

 

[Jehoshua]

LETTER FROM POPE PIUS XVII TO COMINTERN

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Membership in one defensive alliance does not preclude membership in a bilateral agreement between the Holy See and the Crusaders. Indeed in addition to upholding their previous commitments it is imperative and indeed the righteous duty of the Crusaders to actively defend the Holy See and the Holy Catholic Church lest they betray their sacred foundations, which predate the Cominterns very existence.

If the Comintern should ever consider intruding itself between these sacred bonds, then naturally it is the sacred duty of the Crusaders to support God over the artifice of Man. However as honour binds them to commit and such a hypothetical situation is obviously inconvenient on all sides, perhaps the Comintern as a whole can agree to refrain from any agressions towards the papal states, and to defend it from any outside aggressor who would consider attacking it. This should ensure the peace of God reigns between us, and that your community and its members obligations remain unimpeded.

This should not be a problem considering the Holy See seeks not any aggression against the members of the Comintern. Indeed surely heaven would smile upon such an action on the part of the Comintern.

 

[Mosher]

God does not exist upon this Earth; nor does he interfere. Valuing these imaginary bonds over real, applicable, and tested bonds of friendship and comradeship is an act of foolishness itself.

 

[Nukeknockout]

LETTER FROM POPE PIUS XVII TO COMINTERN

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Membership in one defensive alliance does not preclude membership in a bilateral agreement between the Holy See and the Crusaders. Indeed in addition to upholding their previous commitments it is imperative and indeed the righteous duty of the Crusaders to actively defend the Holy See and the Holy Catholic Church lest they betray their sacred foundations, which predate the Cominterns very existence.

If the Comintern should ever consider intruding itself between these sacred bonds, then naturally it is the sacred duty of the Crusaders to support God over the artifice of Man. However as honour binds them to commit and such a hypothetical situation is obviously inconvenient on all sides, perhaps the Comintern as a whole can agree to refrain from any agressions towards the papal states, and to defend it from any outside aggressor who would consider attacking it. This should ensure the peace of God reigns between us, and that your community and its members obligations remain unimpeded.

This should not be a problem considering the Holy See seeks not any aggression against the members of the Comintern. Indeed surely heaven would smile upon such an action on the part of the Comintern.

Well. From a pragmatic standpoint, this would be more than acceptable to Korea. But as a servant of my people as much as Pope Pius is a servant of his, I must pose this question: Would you ever consider it right to take the concept of belief, of right and wrong, that exists in your head and force another to live to the standards you set for yourself? Upon this question rests loyalty from Korea, as we are a nation which does not believe in God.

-Foreign Minister Tochiro

 

[Jehoshua]

The providence of God my son is quite immanent in the world, for God is sovereign and Lord over all nations and indeed does intervene according to his divine plan. The Crusaders as a christian fellowship pledged to the righteous service of God and His Church comprehend this, and they would show themselves as traitors to their own foundation should they do otherwise.

Regardless of these ideological differences however, there is a very tangible and earthly bond between the Holy See and the Crusaders both in history (made known through their epiphany that they must show us the due reverance befitting our sacred bonds) and through their bound obligations to the Church. As such to avoid unfortunate difficulties between Comintern and the Papal States, I suggest quite heartily that the Comintern as is reasonable and pragmatic considers accepting the proposal of the Apostolic throne in approving amongst its members the proposed non-agression pact, and the pledge of comintern to protect the Holy See, in accord with the crusaders ingrained and historic duty, from hostile and apostate hosts who would seek to attack it as the agressor.

Surely the great Comintern can see no problem in approving that considering the Holy See's well known and fervent desire for peace between us and the Comintern.

 

[Mosher]

Speaking on behalf of the Comintern, Angola will accept the non-aggression pact, but must reject protecting the Holy See. Our forces are spread thin enough as is, and all of our troops are needed to protect the home front. Our duty to our people is far more important than any "duty" towards a fake man in the sky.

 

[Jehoshua]

The Holy and Apostolic See accepts the non-agression pact of the Comintern.

However it must continue to propose to the Crusaders, that they uphold their duty of protecting the Holy See and agree to a distinct bilateral agreement between our two nations apart from the newly validated non-agression pact between the Throne of St Peter and the Comintern, that they vow to protect the Holy See against all who would raise arms against it as aggressor. Such an agreement should it proceed naturally does not involve the rest of the comintern. However naturally we would be greatly pleased if the Comintern reconsidered Angola's assertion as to an act of protection.

The Papal States awaits with interest the Crusader response to our request.

 

[Nukeknockout]

God does not exist upon this Earth; nor does he interfere. Valuing these imaginary bonds over real, applicable, and tested bonds of friendship and comradeship is an act of foolishness itself.

Come now, Angola. The Crusaders have to believe what they have to believe, much the same as you or I. Perhaps there is a little man in the sky. Perhaps there isn't. What matters is the Crusaders, our loyal brethren, believe there is.

The providence of God my son is quite immanent in the world, for God is sovereign and Lord over all nations and indeed does intervene according to his divine plan. The Crusaders as a christian fellowship pledged to the righteous service of God and His Church comprehend this, and they would show themselves as traitors to their own foundation should they do otherwise.

Regardless of these ideological differences however, there is a very tangible and earthly bond between the Holy See and the Crusaders both in history (made known through their epiphany that they must show us the due reverance befitting our sacred bonds) and through their bound obligations to the Church. As such to avoid unfortunate difficulties between Comintern and the Papal States, I suggest quite heartily that the Comintern as is reasonable and pragmatic considers accepting the proposal of the Apostolic throne in approving amongst its members the proposed non-agression pact, and the pledge of comintern to protect the Holy See, in accord with the crusaders ingrained and historic duty, from hostile and apostate hosts who would seek to attack it as the agressor.

Surely the great Comintern can see no problem in approving that considering the Holy See's well known and fervent desire for peace between us and the Comintern.

It is not your religion that concerns the UDPRK, it is your philosophy. We will accept peace, and a non-agression pact. Anything else depends on your answer to our question. Naturally, this relationship is not cast in stone.

Speaking on behalf of the Comintern, Angola will accept the non-aggression pact, but must reject protecting the Holy See. Our forces are spread thin enough as is, and all of our troops are needed to protect the home front. Our duty to our people is far more important than any "duty" towards a fake man in the sky.

Very true, Angola. But look at it from this perspective: Acquiring the Holy See as an ally means getting closer to the Crusaders, though we would have to require equal aid form and to.

-Nukeknockout

 

[mechaerik]

I'll just leave this here:

 

[Tani Coyote]

And I'll leave this here:

14 hours remain.

Need orders from:

-Demon Realm/Yoshiegg
-East Italy
-Free Finland
-Siberia

Mechaerik may be joining us as Russia, as an FYI. That'll put us at 20 players, huzzah.

 

[Jehoshua]

The Papal States is pleased that the Comintern has reconsidered the assertions of Angola in regards to the protection protocols we have proposed

In answer to your question which you have posed to us.

The Holy and Apostolic see does not consider it right and just for souls to be forcibly converted to one faith or another, this in accordance with the ancient documents of the Church as outlined in the encyclical Dignitatis Humanae and upheld by my predecessors. The One God requires a genuine relationship from the faithful, freely given and freely recieved. Such a free and complimentary relationship is impossible in the context of the forced conversion of souls to one religion or another and thus is everywhere contrary to the Divine and Catholic Faith. Ergo a soul must freely enter into the communion of Christ and is given that choice in order to achieve his salvation, but it is improper to force another into that communion should they freely choose to reject it.

The Holy See hopes that this illumination into the Catholic Faith informs its decision about a concordat between its members and the Papal States for surely such a concordat is to the benefit of both sides.

 

[Nukeknockout]

The Papal States is pleased that the Comintern has reconsidered the assertions of Angola in regards to the protection protocols we have proposed

In answer to your question which you have posed to us.

The Holy and Apostolic see does not consider it right and just for souls to be forcibly converted to one faith or another, this in accordance with the ancient documents of the Church as outlined in the encyclical Dignitatis Humanae and upheld by my predecessors. The One God requires a genuine relationship from the faithful, freely given and freely recieved. Such a free and complimentary relationship is impossible in the context of the forced conversion of souls to one religion or another and thus is everywhere contrary to the Divine and Catholic Faith. Ergo a soul must freely enter into the communion of Christ and is given that choice in order to achieve his salvation, but it is improper to force another into that communion should they freely choose to reject it.

Good, good. The UDPRK can work with you. Since, as near as we can tell, that is synonymous with a "No".

It is unlikely we will agree to unilateral protection of the Papal States given our commitment to the Comintern & requirement for absolute agreement on action, but we will not treat aggressors towards the Papal States favorably.

-Foreign Minister Tochiro

 

[Jehoshua]

The Papal States is pleased that this understanding has been reached between us and hopes that over time our acquaintance will result in further understanding and co-operation from the Comintern with the Holy See.

 

[christos200]

As Leon Trotsky said, "Socialism needs democracy like the human body needs oxygen." Recent political developments have given us some small cause for optimism: Angola's peaceful turnover demonstrates that contrary to Xinjiang's insistence that communism demands a hard hand, representation by population is not only desirable, but inevitable. Mr. Christos is, understandably, frightened. Realizing the nations he assumed would willingly follow him into the abyss reject his woeful misunderstanding of his own ideology, he has jumped on the populist bandwagon and alleges to have brought democracy to ailing Xinjiang. It remains to be seen, however, whether these supposed reforms are anything more than empty words to smokescreen the nation's ever-worsening status as a political pariah.

But regardless of whatever technical success this speculative new outlook achieves, we would be deplorably naïve to claim victory so soon. So amicable an internal transition from mobster state to elective government in so short a time frame is unprecedented; are we really to believe that Mr. Christos' institutions of terror have already been deconstructed? Are we honestly satisfied the dictator has been excised from the electorate, unable to manipulate the people? The government may have a new face, but if it is to the same corrupt body, there has been no change. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance; so said Wilfrid Laurier; and so we dutifully take up the watch. Democratization is but one step in a long staircase to Xinjiang's liberation; Mr. Christos may claim upon himself (as he is wont to do) the prestige for liberalizing the state, but anyone who thinks this exonerates him from his culpability in the wanton destruction of "his" people is utterly contemptible. So long as he walks free, justice eludes.

Our mission is clear. The floodgates have opened, and as the people of Xinjiang tepidly taste the first sample of political freedom in nearly ten years, we must serve as the vanguard against the ancien régime and all its attempts to drag the country back into the dark ages. We shall not rest until all traces of Mr. Christos' criminal administration have been eradicated. We shall not rest until every agent complicit in the past decade of murderous repression and exploitation has been brought to account. We shall not rest until Mr. Christos answers for his myriad of offences against humanity.

Christos lost the election. Mr. George rules now the country. And Christos never claimed to have brought democracy. I have. So, are you crazy?

- Mr George, Republic of Xinjiang.

 

[Jehoshua]

The papal states notes that international observors have not seen this election in progress and thus cannot verify whether the election was free from irregularities, something that the papal states understands in a purely academic sense is required for genuine democracy.

Furthermore we do not know this Mr George and strongly suspect that he is linked to Christos Xinjiang, and may possibly even merely be a pseudonym for the same individual. Therefore in the consideration of a lack of empirical evidence corroborating the state media apparatus of Xinjiang (notorious for its hagiography of Christos in previous years) we must uphold our condemnations of the Xinjiang regime until such time as its relations with other states show a marked juxtaposition from the previous hostile manner of engagement.

Should this not occur, the Holy See must conclude that Xinjiang is in false trust attempting to regain entrance into the international community in the hope of gaining the benefits of greater economic and political inclusion while keeping a facade, and interiorly making no substantial change in relations between the rulers and the ruled.

~Cardinal Richelieu, Secretary for Relations with States.