The Myth of the US independent Voter

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It seems to be a political law that candidates should run towards the center, and after so called "independent voters" to win elections. But is that really true? I've expressed skepticism that many "Indie" voters are actually independent at all, especially after I worked a few campaigns, but some posters here aren't buying it. Now, an article on Larry Sabato's page (a conservative professor at the University of Virgina) seems to back up what I was saying.

There they go again. The presidential campaign season is barely under way but already pundits and pollsters are making misleading claims about independent voters and the role they play in presidential elections. Here are some of the things you’ve probably read or heard in recent weeks:

* Independents make up the largest segment of the American electorate.

* Independent voters are up for grabs in 2012.

* Whichever party wins a majority of the independent vote will almost certainly win the presidency.

These beliefs about the crucial role of independent voters in presidential elections have become the conventional wisdom among the Washington commentariat, reinforced by groups like “No Labels” and “Third Way” that try to promote centrist solutions to the nation’s problems. Recently, the Pew Research Center provided additional support for this theory with a report claiming that independents constitute a rapidly growing and diverse group of voters who swing dramatically back and forth from election to election.

It sounds convincing, but when it comes to media commentary about independent voters, you shouldn’t believe everything you read or hear.

It’s true that independents are a diverse group. But that’s mostly because the large majority of independents are independents in name only. Research by political scientists on the American electorate has consistently found that the large majority of self-identified independents are “closet partisans” who think and vote much like other partisans. Independent Democrats and independent Republicans have little in common. Moreover, independents with no party preference have a lower rate of turnout than those who lean toward a party and typically make up less than 10% of the electorate. Finally, independents don’t necessarily determine the outcomes of presidential elections; in fact, in all three closely contested presidential elections since 1972, the candidate backed by most independent voters lost.

Let’s start with the claim that independents make up the largest segment of the American electorate. That’s true only if you lump all independents together including those who don’t vote and those who lean toward a party. In 2008, according to the American National Election Study, independents made up 40% of eligible voters but only 33% of those who actually voted. Moreover, of that 33%, only 7% were true independents with no party preference. The other 26% were leaners.

And what about those independent leaners? Fully 87% of them voted for the candidate of the party they leaned toward: 91% of independent Democrats voted for Barack Obama while 82% of independent Republicans voted for John McCain. That 87% rate of loyalty was identical to the 87% loyalty rate of weak party identifiers and exceeded only by the 96% loyalty rate of strong party identifiers.

It’s hardly surprising that the vast majority of independent leaners voted for their party’s presidential candidate in 2008. The evidence from the 2008 ANES in the following chart shows that independent Democrats and Republicans held very different views on major issues — views that were very similar to those of their fellow partisans. Independent Democrats were more liberal than weak Democrats and about as liberal as strong Democrats while independent Republicans were less conservative than strong Republicans but just as conservative as weak Republicans.
Chart 1. Liberalism of party identifiers and leaners in 2008



Source: 2008 American National Election Study

These results suggest that the high level of support given by independent leaners to their own party’s presidential candidate was not due simply to a short-term preference for that candidate over his opponent but instead reflected longer-term ideological and policy preferences. Based on this evidence, independent leaners are unlikely to be “up for grabs” in 2012. Regardless of who wins the Republican presidential nomination, we can expect the overwhelming majority of independent leaners, like the overwhelming majority of strong and weak identifiers, to remain loyal to their party because they strongly prefer their party’s policies to the opposing party’s policies.

Finally, no matter how independents vote in the 2012 presidential election, their preferences will not necessarily determine the winner. If the election is close, it is entirely possible that the candidate chosen by most independents will lose the overall popular vote.

Based on the national exit polls, that’s what happened in each of the last three presidential elections that were decided by a margin of less than five points.

In 1976, most independents voted for Gerald Ford but Jimmy Carter won the overall popular vote. In 2000, most independents voted for George W. Bush but Al Gore won the overall popular vote (despite losing the Electoral College). And in 2004 most independents voted for John Kerry but George W. Bush won the overall popular vote.

In a close election, a candidate with an energized and unified party base can sometimes overcome a deficit among independent voters. That doesn’t mean the candidates should ignore independents, but it does mean that unifying and energizing their own party’s base is just as important as appealing to the independents.
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/aia2011070702/

In summary: most independent voters actually aren't actually very independent, and the ones that are, don't vote very often. American voters like to refer to themselves as independents because they think that makes the smarter, or more enlightened.

What do you guys think about this? Do you disagree? What do you think the political strategic ramifications of this information are? Do you consider yourself an independent?
 
I never bought the line about independent voters.

I'm one of those independents who does not vote much because I find both parties (or should I say the two faces of our one party) too conservative
 
I never bought the line about independent voters.

I'm one of those independents who does not vote much because I find both parties (or should I say the two faces of our one party) too conservative

If you dont vote are you even correctly identified as a 'voter'?

I'm a thinking not.

As to the OP...it only make sense that even those that claim the independent voter label still lean one way or the other to a degree...
 
I completely agree with this analysis and it matches what I've noticed from personal experience. I honestly think that political strategists have known this for some time - like, for instance, Karl Rove. I do not consider myself "independent" so much as "uninterested" - although I don't have enough of a voting pattern yet to be classified as a "voter" or "nonvoter".
 
We don't have "independents" in the UK, but the principle that elections are won or lost in the political centre is true here as well. Focusing on "registered independents" may indeed be a poor proxy for the political centre, but it's not wrong to say that the candidate who positions himself closest to the political centre of gravity will win the election. If you're a left-winger, then people to your left will always vote for you; people to the right of the right-wing candidate will always vote for them. Therefore, the candidate who is closest to the centre will grab the most votes.

The job of politics, however, is to change minds, not to read them. Politicians attempt to shift the centre of gravity in their party's favour. That's the other half of the tussle.
 
I've known that many independents are pretty reliably of one party or the other. The question is whether the portion of them that really is in the center can swing an election. If this is saying that they can't, then there's even more incentive for the Republicans to keep shifting right, and even less excuse for the Democrats to keep shifting right.
 
As to the OP...it only make sense that even those that claim the independent voter label still lean one way or the other to a degree...
Yeah, but what it is interesting is the extent of the lean...left leaning "independents" are closer to Strong Democrats than Weak ones, and the same principle is true for more conservative leaning Independents. Media reports often treat them as some kind of monotheistic group (Obama needs to do better with Independents!), as if they are a Centrist group with similar political interests. This is not true.
I completely agree with this analysis and it matches what I've noticed from personal experience. I honestly think that political strategists have known this for some time - like, for instance, Karl Rove. I do not consider myself "independent" so much as "uninterested" - although I don't have enough of a voting pattern yet to be classified as a "voter" or "nonvoter".

Yeah, my bosses explained this to me, and I did my work operating on that political calculation. Both the GOP and the DNC have very specific data on how "Democratic" or "Republican" a possible independent is, based on things like magazine subscriptions, church attendance, etc.
 
I completely agree with this analysis and it matches what I've noticed from personal experience. I honestly think that political strategists have known this for some time - like, for instance, Karl Rove. I do not consider myself "independent" so much as "uninterested" - although I don't have enough of a voting pattern yet to be classified as a "voter" or "nonvoter".

Looking at this, it is interesting that you put up Karl Rove. He and a few of his predecessors were on the forefront of recognizing the instability of a Republican candidate running as a populist, and the need for the evangelical/ fiscal alliance to bring consistent voters in.
 
If you dont vote are you even correctly identified as a 'voter'?

I'm a thinking not.

Obviously they're including potential voters in those numbers, since they talk about those who don't vote at all.

I'm registered to vote (no party affiliation) and will vote in any election where there's a candidate I'm willing to vote for. Unfortunately that doesn't give me a lot of choices so I can't vote for every office I'm able to vote for
 
Obviously they're including potential voters in those numbers, since they talk about those who don't vote at all.

I'm registered to vote (no party affiliation) and will vote in any election where there's a candidate I'm willing to vote for. Unfortunately that doesn't give me a lot of choices so I can't vote for every office I'm able to vote for

Couldnt you still write in candidates?

I mean the odds of that working has to be at least equal for someone from the Green Party or Workers United party winning an election.
 
Obviously they're including potential voters in those numbers, since they talk about those who don't vote at all.

I'm registered to vote (no party affiliation) and will vote in any election where there's a candidate I'm willing to vote for. Unfortunately that doesn't give me a lot of choices so I can't vote for every office I'm able to vote for
Yeah, if you vote at all (local office, primary, statewide, etc), the local party will have data on you....but if you're sporadic enough, they prob won't try to win your vote.
Couldnt you still write in candidates?

I mean the odds of that working has to be at least equal for someone from the Green Party or Workers United party winning an election.

The Green Party guy running for my statehouse seat got more than 30% of the vote, and we have a Write-In winner sitting in the US Senate right now...so I guess it's possible!
 
So we've got DINOs and RINOs already, and now.... IINOs? :lol:

While I don't discount DT's political expertise, I don't think of "independent" as a synonym for "neutral" when it comes to one's political opinions. To me, "independent" simply means you don't have a strict party affiliation. I'm personally more liberal than conservative, but that doesn't make me a Democrat - even if I vote for Democrats more often than Republicans. I'll vote for a 3rd party candidate or even a Republican if I feel they're better suited for the job than the Democratic candidate.

(BTW, typo in the thread title - "independent" is misspelled, if that's something one cares about.)
 
Moral of the story: A candidate can't win by compromising his ideals. The best way to win campaigns is by actually running a campaign. Vote early and help your campaign get out the vote.
 
Makes sense. I was always a bit suspect at the emphasis my Government textbook places on the rather amorphous 'independant voter'.
 
I don't know how many others there are, but I exist. I've checked anything and everything other than Republican or Democrat for the last 10 years. I've voted for Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Communists, the Green Party, and my high school World History teacher.

Can't say I actually wanted most of these people to win, except maybe the teacher, but my raw level of disgust with both national parties as they exist forces me to both vote and vote almost any other option.

I might have voted for the professional wrestler if I lived in the correct state.
 
Some of us independents are, in fact, independent, and do actually vote, as well. I've also found the ANES data to be...suspect at times.

I am not surprised that independent voters have a lean. It would be odd if they did not.

That said, reduce the # of true independents to 10%, assign 45% of voters to either party. You still need to get a majority of independents to win.

(play with percentages to each party accordingly. In the end, you still need the independent to cross 50%.)
 
Yeah, if you vote at all (local office, primary, statewide, etc), the local party will have data on you....but if you're sporadic enough, they prob won't try to win your vote.


The Green Party guy running for my statehouse seat got more than 30% of the vote, and we have a Write-In winner sitting in the US Senate right now...so I guess it's possible!

Entirely possible....just generally not very probable for their chance of success. But it being possible is why I asked 'why not'. Even if you are just writing someones name in its still voting at least, and thereby you are exercising your civil right to do so.
 
That said, reduce the # of true independents to 10%, assign 45% of voters to either party. You still need to get a majority of independents to win.

(play with percentages to each party accordingly. In the end, you still need the independent to cross 50%.)

Well, that isn't very helpful, since 1) the real voter distribution in an election is highly unlikely to be 45-45-10 and 2) you DON'T need 50% to win. In some localities, like New Hampshire, the voter share from actual, real life, Independents is pretty high (or at least, higher than 10%) In places like Chicago, it's going to be pretty low.

If you want to get right into the nitty gritty, I personally think using different voter demographic groups (such as income level, profession or ethnic background) are more useful than tracking anamorphic "independent voters", if you're trying to win an election.
 
When did this nonsense of lumping undecided voters and moderates into the independent category begin? Who really cares if people are misidentifying themselves as independent voters or if the media/politicians are misclassifying them? The point is that they either are or aren't. Call them what they really are. If you all really cared you'd be tackling the identity bs that occurs within the two major parties, which 99% of Americans predictably vote within.
 
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