The NRA Finally Responds With Its "Meaningful Contributions"

[woody60707]

results of the nra brainstorming session revealed:

fake!

 

[GhostWriter16]

So lets see:

Population of Israel: 7.9 million
Population of USA: Over 300 million


Using the population ratio, Israel actually has more school shooting deaths per capita. Thanks for proving that guns are bad.

All it proves is that the fact that we keep hearing about school shootings is not enough reason to ban firearms.

@Form- I'd buy one if it was legal

Which, it is already legal but I'd rather not get thrown in a cage by kidnapping gangs that don't follow the constitution.

 

[Formaldehyde]

The transcript of Wayne LaPierre's rant provides more details about whom he thinks were largely responsible for this tragedy: The government, the media, and the entertainment industry...

...Politicians pass laws for gun free school zones, they issue press releases bragging about them. They post signs advertising them. And, in doing so, they tell every insane killer in America that schools are the safest place to inflict maximum mayhem with minimum risk.

How have our nation’s priorities gotten so far out of order. Think about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants, court houses, even sports stadiums are all protected by armed security.

We care about our president, so we protect him with armed Secret Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by Capitol Police officers. Yet, when it comes to our most beloved, innocent, and vulnerable members of the American family, our children, we as a society leave them every day utterly defenseless, and the monsters and the predators of the world know it, and exploit it.

The truth is, that our society is populated by an unknown number of genuine monsters. People that are so deranged, so evil, so possessed by voices and driven by demons, that no sane person can every possibly comprehend them. They walk among us every single day, and does anybody really believe that the next Adam Lanza isn’t planning his attack on a school, he’s already identified at this very moment?

How many more copycats are waiting in the wings for their moment of fame from a national media machine that rewards them with wall-to-wall attention and a sense of identity that they crave, while provoking others to try to make their mark.

A dozen more killers, a hundred more? How can we possibly even guess how many, given our nation’s refusal to create an active national database of the mentally ill? The fact is this: That wouldn’t even begin to address the much larger, more lethal criminal class -- killers, robbers, rapists, gang members who have spread like cancer in every community across our nation.

Meanwhile, while that happens, federal gun prosecutions have decreased by 40 percent, to the lowest levels in a decade. So now, due to a declined willingness to prosecute dangerous criminals, violent crime is increasing again for the first time in 19 years. Add another hurricane, terrorist attack, or some other natural of manmade disaster, and you’ve got a recipe for a national nightmare of violence and victimization.

And here’s another dirty little truth that the media try their best to conceal. There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people. Through vicious, violent video games with names like “Bullet Storm,” “Grand Theft Auto,” “Mortal Combat,” and “Splatterhouse.”

And here’s one, it’s called “Kindergarten Killers.” It’s been online for 10 years. How come my research staff can find it, and all of yours couldn’t? Or didn’t want anyone to know you had found it? Add another hurricane, add another natural disaster. I mean we have blood-soaked films out there, like “American Psycho,” “Natural Born Killers.” They’re aired like propaganda loops on Splatterdays and every single day.

1,000 music videos, and you all know this, portray life as a joke and they play murder -- portray murder as a way of life. And then they all have the nerve to call it entertainment. But is that what it really is? Isn’t fantasizing about killing people as a way to get your kicks really the filthiest form of pornography? In a race to the bottom, many conglomerates compete with one another to shock, violate, and offend every standard of civilized society, by bringing an even more toxic mix of reckless behavior, and criminal cruelty right into our homes. Every minute, every day, every hour of every single year.

A child growing up in America today witnesses 16,000 murders, and 200,000 acts of violence by the time he or she reaches the ripe old age of 18. And, throughout it all, too many in the national media, their corporate owners, and their stockholders act as silent enablers, if not complicit co-conspirators.

Rather than face their own moral failings, the media demonize gun owners.

Rather than face -- rather than face their own moral failings the media demonize lawful gun owners, amplify their cries for more laws, and fill the national media with misinformation and dishonest thinking that only delay meaningful action, and all but guarantee that the next atrocity is only a news cycle away.

The media calls semi-automatic fire arms, machine guns. They claim these civilian semi-automatic fire arms are used by the military. They tell us that the .223 is one of the most powerful rifle calibers, when all of these claims are factually untrue, they don’t know what they’re talking about.

As parents we do everything we can to keep our children safe. It’s now time for us to assume responsibility for our schools. The only way -- the only way to stop a monster from killing our kids is to be personally involved and invested in a plan of absolute protection.

The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away or from a minute away?

Now, I can imagine the headlines, the shocking headlines you’ll print tomorrow. “More guns,” you’ll claim, “are the NRA’s answer to everything.” Your implication will be that guns are evil and have no place in society, much less in our schools.

But since when did “gun” automatically become a bad word? A gun in the hands of a Secret Service agent protecting our president isn’t a bad word. A gun in the hands of a soldier protecting the United States of America isn’t a bad word. And when you hear your glass breaking at three a.m. and you call 9/11, you won’t be able to pray hard enough for a gun in the hands of a good guy to get there fast enough to protect you.

There’s going to be a lot of time for talk, and debate later. This is a time this is a day for decisive action. We can’t wait for the next unspeakable crime to happen before we act. We can’t lose precious time debating legislation that won’t work. We mustn’t allow politics or personal prejudice to divide us. We must act now for the sake of every child in America.

I call on every parent. I call on every teacher. I call on every school administrator, every law enforcement officer in this country, to join with us and help create a national schools shield safety program to protect our children with the only positive line of defense that’s tested and proven to work.

Do you think there is a need for a "national database of the mentally ill" to keep track of those with serious mental and emotional issues? People like Wayne LaPierre who by his own public admissions shows that he is overly fearful and paranoid of his own government, the press, and violent crime despite it continuing to decrease?

Someone who is so out of touch with reality that he thinks every child "witnesses 16,000 murders, and 200,000 acts of violence" by the time they are 18? That we have a "declining willingness to prosecute violent crime"? That he even claims fantasy and rock music videos are largely responsible instead of himself and the policies he advocates? That we "advertise" where mass murderers can kill the most victims by having gun-free zones around schools? That even the next hurricane will likely cause a mass catastrophe of violence?

That he is so emotionally overwrought by this tragedy that he thinks we shouldn't even discuss matters before implementing his own version of a far greater armed police state because time is so critical, yet he waited an entire week before repeating the same tired rhetoric the NRA brings out after every major mass killing?

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

I'm pretty sure the shootings are just more reported now, so the media can manipulate people into supporting gun control.

How does "the media (quite a broad term by the way. Who exactly? But not essential)" benefit from this? I just can't conceive what the tangible gains are for "the media" to go to all this trouble. There really is no case to even start considering this without first explaining the motivation. I'm all ears.

 

[GhostWriter16]

They are all propaganda arms for government control. They want gun control, and they want it badly.

 

[Core Imposter]

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

 

[rugbyLEAGUEfan]

They are all propaganda arms for government control. They want gun control, and they want it badly.

Until you can support this, the far more reasonable claim that the American media is an enterprise functioning like any other, i.e to make a buck, surely must be the default position.

 

[WindFish]

"When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns."

Yeah so?

Most guns used in crimes in the USA atm are legally owned guns anyway.

 

[MobBoss]

Just because I didn't respond to your quite obvious straw man doesn't make it "ironic" in the least. Again, I have posted numerous times about my own extensive history with firearms, including my gun ownership. It simply wasn't germane to that thread, and I'm certainly not bound in any way to answer your questions, much less the completely irrelevant ones.

So you've answered it before, but decide to throw a fit here just because and not clarify your ownership?

Typical.

If you've given out said information before, what harm is there is mentioning it again, since this particular thread does deal with gun ownership? Aside from the fact it is indeed rather entertaining to watch you squirm so much about it. Why dont you just come clean? Too scared to face the music on owning a gun, especially after you've been so critical of gun owners here recently?

I'm not quite as fanatical as Jolly is about going back and searching for this kind of thing. But I do seem to recall you mentioning that you are indeed an owner of one of those semi-automatic pistols that can be reloaded quickly, are you not?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Now that would be classic.

Form claims to want a less authoritarian government yet would leave that government as the only people who are able to use violence. That's going to lead to a more authoritarian government,.

 

[WindFish]

Now that would be classic.

Form claims to want a less authoritarian government yet would leave that government as the only people who are able to use violence. That's going to lead to a more authoritarian government,.

Not really.

Most people have a much better weapon anyway.

Its called the vote.

 

[FriendlyFire]

Form claims to want a less authoritarian government yet would leave that government as the only people who are able to use violence. That's going to lead to a more authoritarian government,.

GhostWriter16 claims to want a less authoritarian government yet disarming the entire military force down to little more then light militia is going to lead to a more authoritarian government when some third world country with nukes invades your ass.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I never actually said we should disarm the military.

I don't think it should be deployed outside of the United States during peacetime.

 

[useless]

I'm pretty sure the people of South Korea would disagree with you on that, but what do they know?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Who really cares?

Who pays for those troops to be there? Oh wait, WE DO!

There's no good reason for us to be the world's policemen.

 

[useless]

Hey Dommy, there's this thing called the North Korean Army you see south koreans need america becauseahahahaa

what the hell is the point, you won't listen, you've made your mind up, screw what the reality of the situation is, no amount of explaining won't make you change your views

 

[Oruc]

Nope!

 

[GhostWriter16]

South Korea is stronger than North Korea anyways, but regardless its not our job to protect them or any other country.

@Oruc- He should if he wants them there

 

[useless]

Well thank god for that, that makes all of the deaths, all of that blood that would be on your hands, all worthwhile, it makes it all okay

because south korea is (hypothetically? Need a citation or something goddamn it) stronger

it is america's job to protect it's allies, but you don't give a damn about alliances you have no interest in them

 

[Oruc]

Nope!