Indeed, looking at the complex features on top of a building, I would never imagine that they could exist, if I did not know of the existence of scaffolding.
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Irreducible Complexity?
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You miss the point again.
In order for something to be useful it doesn't have to perfect. A weak mouse, like a baby or an ill one - or perhaps a mouse species not yet as quick and clever because mice evolve too - may be a good supplement food source for the animal, and some of them would possibly be trapped. As the animal evolves its trapping system it may be able to completely rely on mice as a food source thereby finding a niche for itself.
I believe you are missing the point.
Imagination and pure dumb luck is the best evolutionist seem to come up with. If any of these step can't actually catch a real mice then it completely useless. Thus they want to believe so much they will grab any straw. (Notice they even call Behe a creationists when actually he trying to give evolution some kind of an engine.)
They can all catch a mouse.
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Just once it would be nice to see you address an actual issue rather than just waving your hands and scoffing at what you don't understand.
If imagination is the best 'evolutionists' can come up with then I'll say they're pretty well set. With imagination we can do everything. Not being limited by thousand of year old tales is a great advantage. It's what allows us to make tools such as the computer I'm writing this on.
Smidlee, I remember well offering two times to show you what is wrong with the so-called 'irreducible complexity of the human eye' - you never took me up on that offer - why?
Also, I remember you posting repeatedly in a thread where I DID explain it - seem you did not read my posts - why?
ARE YOU ITNERESTED IN INFORMATION or do you just ignore what is contrary to your belief? If so, keep your fingers out of science issues - we have higher standards than yours.
Also, I remember you posting repeatedly in a thread where I DID explain it - seem you did not read my posts - why?
ARE YOU ITNERESTED IN INFORMATION or do you just ignore what is contrary to your belief? If so, keep your fingers out of science issues - we have higher standards than yours.
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Behe and irreducible complexity again? 
It seems it's time for me to remind the assembled gentlemen that it was shown that genetic evolution implies the existence of irreducibly complex biological systems in 1937, a decade and a half before Michael Behe was even born. If the eubacterial flagellum is indeed irreducibly complex, well chalk up another win for evolution!
It seems it's time for me to remind the assembled gentlemen that it was shown that genetic evolution implies the existence of irreducibly complex biological systems in 1937, a decade and a half before Michael Behe was even born. If the eubacterial flagellum is indeed irreducibly complex, well chalk up another win for evolution!
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Behe's examples don't work because he arbitrarily limits what can considered a previous design to something that has fewer componants instead of something with different componants.
Even if you are extremely lucky and actually catch a mouse with trap 3-6 you would have by that time feed a multitude of mice a free cheese meal which beat the whole purpose of the trap the start with.
The Last Conformist
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Honestly, Behe and Dembski are has-beens with mould growing on them. I think we're overdue for a new crop of charlatans.
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This is a pretty good mouse trap
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angler_fish
Guess what? It's not irreducibly complex. And the cheese is recycled, Smidlee.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angler_fish
Guess what? It's not irreducibly complex. And the cheese is recycled, Smidlee.
Surely God is irreducibly complex.
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No way that rock arch occurred naturally ...
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Behe and irreducible complexity again?
Source, please?
The Last Conformist
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Muller, H. J. 1939. Reversibility in evolution considered from the standpoint of genetics. Biological Reviews of the Cambridge Philosophical Society 14: 261-280.
NB: Muller doesn't use the phrase "irreducible complexity", but he does predict the phenomenon.
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New question, what came first? The egg or the chicken?
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The egg.
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