The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Four: The Genesis of Ire!

[El_Machinae]

If the rock arch occured without human intervention (which I'm skeptical of), how is it not and example of IC? It seems to be something that could not exist except that it's built all at once on purpose?

 

[Truronian]

If the rock arch occured without human intervention (which I'm skeptical of), how is it not and example of IC? It seems to be something that could not exist except that it's built all at once on purpose?

The weathering down of rocks can cause formations similar to that (although I doubt that is natural).

 

[Quiet Sound]

To answer you question about your picture; No , This isn't irreducible complex nor is any other pile of rock even if they spell out your name. Now a motor would fit IC.

How is it not irreducibly complex? Remove a single piece and the arch collapses. Half an arch cannot stand-- without scaffolding.

A motor is irreducibly complex in the same way the eye is, i.e. it fails as an example. Motors did not appear in their modern form overnight anymore than the human eye.

 

[Perfection]

Quiet Sound, what is the point of your analogies as it applies to the thread?

 

[warpus]

By adding millions of years doesn't stop it from being magic. What I do know for sure is chickens lay chicken eggs.

You're the one who believes in magic, not me.

 

[carlosMM]

Where did the egg come from?

From an avian dinosaur, and before you can go all the way back to early amniotes. isn't that obvious?

 

[Smidlee]

You're the one who believes in magic, not me.

Magic deals with the supernatural; that is super-natural as in super-man. Superman is a man who have unnatural, super powers but still a man. I do not believe in nature can created by herself (mother nature) all the life we see around us; thus I don't believe in the Supernature nor Supernatural selection (even given a billions year as if time is an ally). I do believe in spiritual authority.

 

[Che Guava]

ANd yet you call yourself a 'deity'

 

[Bill3000]

Magic deals with the supernatural; that is super-natural as in super-man. Superman is a man who have unnatural, super powers but still a man. I do not believe in nature can created by herself (mother nature) all the life we see around us; thus I don't believe in the Supernature nor Supernatural selection (even given a billions year as if time is an ally). I do believe in spiritual authority.

That's false - superman would not be supernatural, just dealing with physics that we can't explain at this time, but he obtains his powers through something of this universe - the effects of the sun rays of Sol as opposed to his own star.

The supernatural, by definition, refers to entities, forces or phenomena which are not subject to natural laws. Unless you are implying that deities are subject to natural laws, you do believe in the supernatural. And I'm quite damned sure that you'd believe in supernatural selection, unless you are implying that God can't select which species exist or not; but that's ludicrous if you believe divine intervention is real, as there would be nothing stopping him from doing so.

 

[Quiet Sound]

Quiet Sound, what is the point of your analogies as it applies to the thread?

It may be an instance of my being dense but I don't comprehend what portion of my posts needs explanation.

 

[Perfection]

It may be an instance of my being dense but I don't comprehend what portion of my posts needs explanation.

Well, you just seem to be applying some ID ideas to random things that have little to do with the topic. I'm not seeing the relevance to the discussion.

 

[Quiet Sound]

The relevance is a few pages and days back at this point.

 

[Perfection]

Can you please link it?

 

[Quiet Sound]

It started on page 40, there wasn't a lot to it.

 

[RubricousMidget]

All creationists: Please read this and this. If you can logically establish your arguments don't fall into either category, please post the logical evidence.
After that, read this and this, and then refute it logically, without falling into either trap found in the above links.

Do that, and I and probably all other atheists around here, except the true fanatics - will acknowledge that your argument has merit.
Heck, I might even convert to your own personal mythology .

(Also, all fanatical atheists: This might be enlightening. Although I agree that the probability of a god existing is marginal, it cannot be fully refuted, as it is non-falsifiable. Which also prevents it from being relevant in any way, btw.)

Some further points:

[...] if faith is taken to mean a belief that transcends evidence against that belief, belief in evolution is not a matter of faith due to the considerable evidence in its favour.

The structure of humans' (as well as all mammals') eyes. The retina is 'inside out'. The nerves and blood vessels lie on the surface of the retina instead of behind it as is the case in many invertebrate species. This arrangement forces a number of complex adaptations and gives mammals a blind spot. See Evolution of the eye, section "Other developments" for an explanation why the octopus' eye is better constructed than ours. Six muscles move the eye when three would suffice.

Crowded teeth and poor sinus drainage, as human faces are significantly flatter than those of other primates and humans share the same tooth set. This results in a number of problems, most notably with wisdom teeth.

Almost all animals and plants synthesize their own vitamin C, but humans cannot because the gene for this enzyme is defective (Pseudogene ΨGULO). Lack of vitamin C results in scurvy and eventually death. Defective vitamin synthesis pathways are a hallmark of "higher" animals – of which many are predators – because the prey accumulates vitamins that stems either from the eaten plants or are self-synthesized in the captured individual.

God's ways are truly mysterious .

However, this is explained simply in evolution theory:

In terms of a fitness landscape, natural selection will always push "up the hill", but a species cannot normally get from a lower peak to a higher peak without first going through a valley.

If God had designed a beautiful machine to reflect his wisdom and power, surely he would not have used a collection of parts generally fashioned for other purposes. Orchids are not made by an ideal engineer; they are jury-rigged....

"Posted"...

 

[Perfection]

It started on page 40, there wasn't a lot to it.

What do your statements have to do with that link?

 

[Phlegmak]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKMhtyI3L8

Ali G talks to Kent Hovind.

 

[Perfection]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKMhtyI3L8

Ali G talks to Kent Hovind.

I loved the banana bit.

 

[Lord Parkin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKMhtyI3L8

Ali G talks to Kent Hovind.

Ali G tends to make me cringe more than laugh. But the banana bit was sort of funny, I agree.

 

[Quiet Sound]

Perfection

Do you have a point to make in singling me out?