Yeah, evolution isn't the Highlander.
The Official Perfection KOs Creationism Thread Part Four: The Genesis of Ire!
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brennan
Argumentative Brit
Worth looking at the previous page to get that one. 
Supernovae are rare, and do not effect the natural level. Background cosmic radiation is the main source of C-14 creation... I don't think volcanic activity has much of an effect.
Its the same as river levels in a way... We know the average river level of the Thames despite the occasional spikes caused by flooding.
That's not an assumption
Ok
There are a few milligrams detected in everything due to background radiation. The amount found in 60000 year old material is more than this which is why we can distinguish it from background radiation and still date it.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Don't forget the link in the other thread 
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Perfection
The Great Head.
Do they have actual book citations for that?
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Peek here:
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
Scroll down to "NCSE Kitzmiller v. Dover Legal Documents Archive" to get to http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/
Go to /img
That's where the files are from. Does that count?
http://www2.ncseweb.org/wp/
Scroll down to "NCSE Kitzmiller v. Dover Legal Documents Archive" to get to http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/
Go to /img
That's where the files are from. Does that count?
brennan
Argumentative Brit
Wasn't one of the pieces of evidence in the Dover case an earlier version of a document distributed by the Discovery Institute that described 'Intelligent Design' where the words 'Intelligent Design' were still 'Creationism'.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Not really, I wanna see what books they are from.
Kinda.
An older version of the book had 'creator' and then was updated with 'designer'
Erik Mesoy
Core Tester / Intern
Pandas and People.
Then this is officially the most stupid debate ever. Well, probably not the most stupid, but right stupid as compared to most arguments.Perfection said:
I'll answer the challenge, such as it is. Evolution is science and Creationism is not. Perfection wins :roll eyes:
So what will be your next victory, Perfection? Proving the Earth is round?
I think people tend to assume a great many things that just aren't true. Towards the top of that list is the notion that there is a vast gulf between the experience of theists and non-theists in a general sense. I doubt that is true.
Even in the limited scope of these forums that is easy enough to demonstrate. When Perfection became frustrated at people criticizing her political favorite, she ran right for the familiar special pleading that so many theists seems to favor.
"But Bush is a good dude!" She kept blurting out. Turns out "Bush is a good dude" was merely a faith belief, at least it was for her.
My point is simple: We all believe in things we don't know to be true. In the sense of religious belief, or the various non-religious metaphysical beliefs of certain atheists, most people probably have the same experience. We just choose to believe in different fantastic things.
Perfection
The Great Head.
The thread series was started when there was a significant debate in the forums on the topic. I reframed the debate so it was within the parameters of science so that people would see the scientific merits of evolution and the lack of Creationist rigor. I wouldn't characterize that as a stupid.
You're still ramblin' on about my offhand remark as if it's some central viewpoint I care deeply about or believe with 100% certainty!Are you seriously equating my opinion of Bush being a "good dude" to a belief in Creationism?
So you're saying that because I probably believe in some thing that I shouldn't or is based too much on emotional attachment or whatever I can't criticize other people's beliefs?
Yeah, like if given enough time pigs can grow wings and fly as the big multi-ton dinosaur did. What some call science other call miracles.
Perfection
The Great Head.
You don't seriously believe evolution supports that statement do you?
Like a politician (free health care!?! yeah right!) evolutionist try to talk around the fact that what they are describing would take a miracle.
Perfection
The Great Head.
How exactly would evolution take a miracle?
holy king
Deity
some people just cant accept that they are the result of randomness...
when dna first started to process information it was in no way determined that there would be humans at one time, it doesnt matter if you call it a miracle or randomness that it happened...
And the dinosaurs that could fly weren't multi-ton, they were (as a lot of dinosaurs were) the size of birds. Surely you acknowledge that something the size of a bird can fly?
You know, I don't use the word "strawman" very often. maybe I should.
You know, I don't use the word "strawman" very often. maybe I should.
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